Previously awkward teens, how did you eventually figure it out?
1d 9h ago by lemmy.world/u/JeeBaiChow in asklemmyTrying to get some input for someone else. Was thinking of upskilling, finding a group, developing a hobby, guided activities. Any ideas?
You get older and stop caring all the time what people think and it starts to get easier.
My first stepping stone was when nobody in my group wanted to ask for napkins when we were out eating. Which is silly, so I stepped up and ask for it because my mouth and fingers are messy. Ok the other thing is we were in a foreign country and our mastery of the language wasn't great and everyone was shy.
That's when I realize that random people thinking of me like some kind of weirdo doesn't matter because it's almost guaranteed I will never meet them again.
If I need to integrate with a group sooner or later, that's when I lurk and just sit in with a few people, listen and add in anything
I realize that last part is hard for a lot of people and I really don't have anything I can offer how to overcome the awkward feeling but I believe you can do it.
It's very true, though. I think we all deep down want to say the right things or be the star of the show, but sometimes we learn much more just by sitting, observing and waiting to say something that adds to the conversation, instead of just talking about nothing.
We're social primates. Caring what other people think is hardcoded into us, and it's not something you can just choose to stop caring about.
As people get older they just get better at tolerating that uncomfortable feeling and accepting that you can't please everyone. It's not that people like that don't care - they do - they just do it anyway. Caring isn't the issue, but when it starts affecting your behavior it might become one.
That's not quite true. It is also built into us to not care about certain people. While what you say is true about our in-group, it's not true about the out-group. So what you can actually do is mentally identify certain people as not belonging to your group, and then you can actually not care about what they think.
Throughout most of human history, the only people you even knew about were those in your tribe and your neighboring tribe. Whether they were friends or enemies, you still very much cared what they thought about you.
The fact that we now have people in our lives we don't need to care about is a modern luxury that our evolution hasn't caught up with.
I stand behind everything I said: we care, and when we think we don't care is when we especially care.
Research disagrees with you, humans are very much capable of not caring about certain people. Also, I'm glad you never had to experience what people truly not caring is like.
I'd like to see that research if you wouldn't mind linking it.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317615470_Empathy_Group_Identity_and_the_Mechanisms_of_Exclusion_An_Investigation_into_the_Limits_of_Empathy
There are a lot of these kind of studies about empathy. I didn't find any particularly about "what this other person thinks of me" (I don't know if there is a specific name for this that would be easier to search), but I think the logical leap from "being able to disable empathy for other people" to "not care what those people think about you" is not really disputable. Though of course it might not be quite the same thing, I think when you can disable empathy for someone, you can also pretty easily disable to care about what they think of you.
Well, I think those are two different things. Empathy is about feeling or understanding someone else's emotions. Being able to dial that down (like a surgeon or soldier does) doesn't mean you stop caring what people think of you. Psychopaths are a good example - very low empathy, but often highly attuned to social perception because it helps them manipulate others.
Throughout most of human history, the only people you even knew about were those in your tribe and your neighboring tribe. Whether they were friends or enemies, you still very much cared what they thought about you.
This sounds like some anthropology shower thought I'm not sure I'd hang a theory on.
That's a very easy way to dismiss an idea without actually engaging with it. Could you explain what specifically you think is wrong with it, or offer a better alternative explanation? Otherwise it just comes across as 'I don't like the sound of this.'
It's really overly simple and makes a lot of assumptions. We only knew people in our immediate area ergo empathy is part of our hardcoded biology. Is there any research backing it up?
Five-Year Olds, but Not Chimpanzees, Attempt to Manage Their Reputations, Jan Engelmann, 2012
Reputation and Socio-Ecology in Humans, Angelo Romano, 2021
Nobody's watching? Subtle cues affect generosity in, Haley, Fessler, 2005
I can link you more after you're done with these. It's a highly studied subject and I'm sure you could've just googled all this by yourself too.
And where does any of that link it to your theory of only knowing a few people around us made us biologically empathetic?
I haven't made such a claim. If you think I'm wrong, then let's see the studies backing that up. I've already spent 10x the effort and good faith in my responses compared to what I've gotten back from you, so now's the time to return the favour.
Throughout most of human history, the only people you even knew about were those in your tribe and your neighboring tribe. Whether they were friends or enemies, you still very much cared what they thought about you.
This is why I said it sounded like bs in the first place. You said now there are other people but we still care in a "hardcoded" sense. How does knowing only a few people connect to our empathy?
I haven't said a word about empathy. The discussion is about reputation management and social status.
My claim is that caring what other people think about you is in our biology and can't be turned off.
I stopped being an awkward teen by simply getting older and becoming an awkward adult.
I've gone up and down throughout my life, and these days I am quite an awkward individual in person.
However, what worked for me in my early 20s when I was probably at my most sociable was finding a hobby to interact with people in. Even something as simple as a monthly book group can work wonders on your social skills
From your perspective, is it easier to let them figure it out, or for me to try to participate also, then ease up when they find some momentum?
I think it has to depend on a person by person basis. For example, I have to be left for me to figure it out, if anyone else tries to get involved then I guarantee I will be burnt out after a day and then just give up for a while.
Others may benefit from the help and guidance, but not all of us unfortunately đ
Yup. Im like you in that regard.
I didn't. I'm still awkward. But that hasn't stopped me from living my life.
I was at a party with my parents one day celebrating our national day. I decided right there that I was going to talk to someone and I started up a conversation with an old gentleman which I was able to carry for a good long time. From then on, every time I was at a social event with people I didn't know, I talked to at least one person.
Then when I was able to drink, I'd stop in at a bar and strike up conversation with random people. Alcohol helped a lot.
Alcohol is the Great Social Lubricant. There a lots of activities that allow for some responsible drinking while having fun with friends or new people, like student associations, sport teams, Renaissance fairs, concerts, house parties, etc. Just get a drink and go talk to people. You'll probably do some stupid stuff as well, but at least that makes for good stories.
By becoming an awkward adult
Get a job where you deal with the public.
You'll get paid and you will learn quickly.
I learned how not to be awkward with experience. I paid attention to what people thought was awkward, got a feel for it, generalized, and tried to avoid it. It's all practice.
This is great. But he hasnt yet recognised that it might be his behavior that is pushing people away.
I had an autism diagnosis. I found a friend with even more autism through school. Thats kinda it
Sinking into depression
fake it till you make it, eventually my joking 'girlboss' attitude just turned into having some confidence. also I'm a girl now
Iâm still awkward.
Me too. Pretty sure I'll even die awkwardly.
Same :(
Lol. We just get better at hiding it.
I read a book about autism
Find equally awkward friends.
I did a horrible and dangerous job for 2 years while undergoing the most intensive psychotherapy that exists. It improved my social skills, developed a skillset that's rare and highly valued in my chosen field, and completely recalibrated my sense of hardship.
This is what i did for my own journey. Trying to find the angle how to encourage him to try it for himself.
The therapy was integral; it helped me contextualize the experience properly. Not everyone can afford it and that's important to mention.
I took estrogen and everything worked itself out from there~
Seriously though, there were a few factors. It was a combinations of building up my confidence (that's how estrogen helped, turns out when you stop hating your body and life, you get more confident) and actively constructing situations that allowed me to connect and build relationships with people. I started a book club as a not so subtle way to get people in a room and talking to me, I reached out to people to have them round for dinner, I put a lot of effort into being thoughtful and kind. Developing a variety of hobbies and interests means I have plenty to talk about and lots to fill my time when I'm not doing that - a creative hobby is especially great for that.
Thats great! Thanks for sharing. Trying to show him that skills are like tools - the more collect, the more you have, and the more likely it will be that suddenly it seems you have a tool for everything, and people either start thinking youre a genius, or start to take advantage of you. Difference is, having the tools means you can choose.
In my opinion, it's not about trying to prove you're a genius, the key is that confidence and passion is infectious - people want to be around interesting people who are interested in them. Being skilled and well-read, as well as having hobbies lets you engage competently in deep conversation and have interesting qualities you can connect over or other people can grab on to.
Covid gave a lot of time to think and lots of time to reflect...especially also finding out im Bi and then meeting the diverse ppl helped a lot
I had someone tell it to me straight - that the reason I was getting side-eyes and laughter behind my back and why girls wanted nothing to do with me was because I was an awkward dweeb.
At first it kind of hurt my feelings, but it kind of woke me up to the reality of the situation and I began to not only notice how other people saw me, but I started examining myself and my own actions in a more critical light.
Most of the time it was me behaving inappropriately in the given situation. Everyone else walking to their next class? There's me Naruto running down the hall. You get the idea.
I had to learn to identify the behaviors that people were critical of or found off-putting, and learn the appropriate behavior to emulate. Eventually, after I learned the correct response to any particular social situation, it was less about knowledge and more about confidence. I was lucky to make some well-adjusted and confident friends in high school who helped me learn what it was all about. I didn't fret about talking to random people anymore, I could carry on a normal conversation for at least five minutes, I developed "normal" hobbies and interests (but crucially I kept my old ones as well, they were just not the first things I would lead with when talking to people), and in general I just mellowed out a little and developed the skill to be able to read a room and know how to deal with certain people.
tl;dr - someone talked to me and told me I was an awkward kid, but they also did their best to help me identify and fix the things that made me weird and unlikable.
So you learned masking...In a way, it's sad. I hope you have persons in your life with whom you can be truly yourself.
This is a good take. Thanks! I think he needs a good grounding in that he gets ultra defensive that everyone else is thr problem. Will have a think about how to go about it.
Different settings, jobs, locations.
Also, and this will be very unpopular, but beer really helped. Not at work or during the day (thankfully), but alcohol unlocked me socially and improved my confidence as I met more and more people while I traveled. Not that I'm recommending teens do this, and it's probably illegal for them in the US anyway, but for me it was a fantastic social lubricant.
finding a group wont stick unless you have a level of cohesion, which takes you being comfortable. I agree with your thoughts that can be via a study/hobby/shared interest. But a big bonus of this is your happiness.
Figure what makes you happy, this is not things...this is something that makes you feel peacefull, fullfilled, excited to be part of.
Use your comfort routines, but not to a detriment. Hiding is a comfort but not helpful to the end goal. Test the boundaries of being around people, practice small breathing techniques. There are lots of others just like you doing the same thing despite appearances.
Likewise there is always an arsehole. Everywhere, there is one at school, one at work, one on your street. Learning to spot them and live with them is uncomfy but is a good skill lifelong.
As others have said learning not give a fuck about what people think of you is liberating, however its also a balance as friendships need cultivating, this is part of routine, they are not just a need them when you need them thing.
Good luck, trying is the first step. I hope happiness finds you, and wraps you up.
It takes a while to learn how to not give a fuck about what people think of you. But in a respectable way of course. If you stop giving a fuck you can just be yourself. Took me at least until I was 25 before I could really be myself. Looking at the people around me that age can definitely be much lower or even higher though. I still care about what some people in my life think about me, and I try to live up to their expectations because I love them.
Your idea of doing social activities is a pretty good idea too. Meeting all kinds of different people is a good way to get out of your shell and you'll automatically care less about what they might think of you because if it doesn't click with them that's perfectly fine and you can just continue your journey.
I developed a secondary extrovert personality and used it in social occasions. Used it enough that it comes naturally now.
I copied a lot of behavior from other people, how to trigger the right dialogue tree, etc.
The secret, it applies to everything in life: No one cares about what you do, who you are, or what clothes you wear.
upskilling
Feel free, you're free, no one cares! Upskilling would be dancing lessons for an awkward guy/girl who doesn't know dancing is fun.
find a group
Find a group that does what you like or what you may like. Go one step further. If you feel that it could be interesting in a parallel universe, even if it's not your passion right now, try it.
hobby
What do you like? Take it to 11, write a blog, be an expert, you have all the time in your life!
Unironically, season 1 of Dexter was a big help in jumpstarting it. Bringing baked goods is still my #1 strategy of getting on someone's good side, especially at work haha
Essentially, practice. I at some point figured that I was never going to be popular in the school I was in. So I used it as a testing ground. Tried different things, tested my classmates reactions. Because of my family moving I ended up at two different schools after that, which I could then also use to practice - each one worked out better than the previous one. Eventually I got to the point where I wasn't too awkward anymore. (Except until I was psychologically abused, but that's another story...)
Have you tried boosting your confidence with some cocaine?
Still haven't figured out what you mean with figure it out ...
(answering for someone else)
Functioning well in a social environment. The person has withdrawn from everything, preferring to game in the room. How to foster and maintain healthy social relationships.
Not the guy you replied to but I would have said about the same.
My answer is to not have many friends, most of them are my partner's friends and when we visit them I sit with their pets.
Yea. That's it: people are missing the invisible /s in my posts. Always.
yea, same question- looking for answers lol
I used to get made fun of for being a goth kid through grade school, always got the short stick kinda deal. Nowadays I'm a circus performer with an international social group, and I get to do some really cool shit, so suck it everyone who made fun of me.
To answer your question, hobbies and interest groups. It's gonna suck at first but you have to push through the discomfort. Cracking my egg also helped me a ton personally lol
I would pay big money to see a goth clown. I'm glad you found your stuff.
Ya. I took that as 'develop a talent, eventually people will notice'. Glad you found your thing. Tried the usual sports and pastimes. He gets duscouraged easily, but am trying to show him the grind is oart of the process of getting good, and that moat of us arent naturally talented. Its a long road ahead.
Fake it til you don't look like an awkward person - level up tov only slightly odd.
Life is life - most 'adults' just trying to keep their head above the water.
But to help: find a community - your ideas for new skills are great. Learn to be confident in your knowledge - that help with awkward feelings.
Expose yourself to new ideas and meet new people. Put yourself in situations you hate like: public speaking.
Eventually you will get old and realize that nothing really matters.
You know, that awkward moment you still think before falling asleep: no one else remembers it. (Unless it was really a total cluster fuck - but i doubt it).
Anyhow, good luck! You can do it!
Summer camp might be a good option to break out of old habits, get new acquaintances and renewed self esteem.
I was absolutely terrified to talk to strangers so I got into a job where I was forced to talk to strangers on a daily basis.
Try out a bunch of different things until you find something you like.
I haven't completely figured it out. I was a very awkward and sheltered teenager twenty years ago for a lot of reasons I'd rather not go too much into. As a result there are very few people from my school, sixth-form and university days who I'm still in touch with.
What helped me come out of my shell was working in a call centre (where I had to start interacting with colleagues and customers) and more recently, karaoke. I've started going to pub karaoke nights quite often over the past two years and made some pretty good friends from it. It's not something I'd recommend from everyone, because the pressure to drink is there.
I met my wife doing drunken karaoke. 25 years later, I sometimes still do it but sheâs 10 years sober now.
Work and finding a peer collective outside of what was available at my high school. I had some friends I went to school with, but I took a kitchen job at 16 and was exposed to a much larger group of ages, personalities, and beliefs. Same thing happened when I started going to punk shows regularly and found a coffee shop with a vibe I liked. Being exposed to so many different people helped me realize that what made me feel âawkwardâ wasnât totally innate. I will always be a touch reserved, self-conscious, weird, but being in a jock-centric preppie high school, my ultra-conservative evangelical parents, church groups- those spaces amplified my insecurity and feelings of not belonging until it because a self-destructive feedback loop.
Itâs not all rainbows and butterflies though. Alcohol came into the picture and while a good social lubricant itâs been a roller coaster. High school can keep you safe by limiting your friend options to people roughly your same age, in the real world you might end up becoming friends with people years older than you. Thereâs nothing wrong with making older âfriendsâ, but as an inexperienced youth it can be hard to tell which older people recognize youth and a potential lack of boundaries so they step up and guide you positively, and which are people who struggle to recognize that, are reliving their own youth, or are straight up predators. Itâs also really on you to figure out what you think is proper. When I was 16 the dude that had the party house was 30, and bought our beer for us. But he also would cut people off, make sure we didnât over indulge, kicked out those who crossed the line, and kept people safe. Iâm sure a lot of people would find a 30yo running a party house for high schoolers questionable, and rightfully so, but at the same time it was a far safer and more accepting environment for a lot of us kids than our own homes.
I also got involved in non-party related causes that were things I felt passionate about, particularly environmentalism. Similar to the party scene in that I ended up around people of all ages, all experiences, but were all present because whatever we were looking to do, we all found shared value in it.
Being around people and finding places where the bits of me I felt awkward about were accepted helped me. It also helped shape me, because when I trusted those people and they confronted me about bad behavior, instead of taking it like a rejection of me as a person I could learn to recognize what was being rejected was truly an inappropriate action.
When I first met my partner, they immediately suspected I was autistic even though I didnât. Over time I realized they were right, and everything started to make sense.
Autism is a spectrum though. It presents differently in different people. There isnt a 'one way' to identify it, and i can understand the parents' reluctance to find out, even if i disagree with their position.
I read some of the stoics and then did a shit tonne of therapy.
This won't be helpful but having kids helped me to feel much more like a competent person. I was so awkward, eating disordered, anxious, and having this one thing my body was so good at, a normal human function that worked normally for me, went a long way towards healing my relationship with my body; and babies are so cute people stop to admire them, so I had a connection to the outside world I was happy about, AND I had to go back to college so I could make enough money so it kick started my career.
I cannot imagine recommending kids as an answer, obviously that's ridiculous. But it was the main factor in my feeling more relaxed and less awkward.
Fake it till you make it. I realized everyone is very busy thinking of how they come across, so likely what I worry about isn't that important anyways.
Got drunk and made a fool of myself a lot, but learned from mistakes.
I became an alcoholic. Stopped worrying so much because I was drunk all the time. Built a reputation for being relaxed and confident. Started going to parties and clubs. Built up real confidence. Stopped drinking so much.
Canât say I would recommend my path, but Iâm happy where I am.
I went from straightedge to trying every drug once (ALMOST every drug!) and at some point something snapped and I just became comfortable and chill about everything, and I only feel awkward now if someone else is being hella awkward. Even then, I usually donât bring attention to it if theyâre well-meaning, but if a person is annoying awkward/malicious/etc I just leave.
I was as awkward as it gets. I thought I was ugly because I was told that all day every day by around me. Not my family z my family is awesome, but class mates, coworkers, etc. I was always heavily bullied.
I figured it out twice: first time when I started practicing full contact karate. Within two weeks everyone in school knew and the daily bullying just dead stopped in its tracks. I figured then that bullying has a lot to do with perception. If people perceive you as weak, some will pick on you. If you display strength, at least that part will stop.
However, the damage was done, I was socially awkward as hell, no idea how to talk to girls.
I figured it out for a second time when I married the most beautiful woman in existence.
I know, I know, I'm biased, but my wife is holy shit pretty and at our slightly advanced age, still has a bettery body than the average 18 year old. At first glance, anyone would guess she's 30. Add to that an amazing personality and a serious great and dark sense of humor, we laugh all day everyday about everything.
I would never ever in my life have thought I could get a woman like her and she actually WANTS to be around me. We are together pretty much 24/7 and even 6 years in we're still all day hand in hand, even when we're eating. We are nauseatingly close, and we love every second of our lives.
Still got a lot of other shit going on, a lot of stresses in our lives, but us together? We're golden.
I figured out that everything is perception. Be self confident because you trust yourself. Know yourself and stop being afraid of things that can't hurt you .