why hard exit editor? Nano say at bottom.
1d 6h ago by lemmy.world/u/Skullgrid in programmer_humor@programming.dev from files.catbox.moe
me like use nano. nano say how do thing. nano exit easy.
The image is misleading. The brain sizes represent the amount of grey matter it takes to operate the editor. The nano guy has plenty of brain power left over for things like hygiene, breathing and basic reasoning.
vim guy, emacs guy look big brain. me brain smol. me bathe yesterday, thank you.
Vim users: "I feel bad for you"
Nano users: "I don't think about you at all"
Nano users :
Me no think
Nano users have more important things to think about, saying this as an nvim user
OP suggests otherwise.
I think it's more likely the opposite.
I do appreciate this in nano. It helps me complete the new container config occasionally required to install vim.
I'm team nano, I'm not smart enough to use the other two and for whenever I need to open a text file in terminal only environment once every year I can remember how to navigate nano. So I'll keep using nano.
I use emacs but it's only convenient to me with a lot of custom stuff on top. Vanilla emacs tho, hell no.
neovim user (inside zellij) and same. More of a full blown IDE than an editor.
Also for the keybind memory impaired like myself:
- https://github.com/folke/which-key.nvim
- native which-key in emacs
Yep, I’ve gradually gone from using vim motions in VSCode to using Neovim with basically all the functionality I need for backend (.NET and TypeScript) and infrastructure work.
There are still some things I have to rebuild some muscle memory for, but it’s been great. I haven’t made it to zellij yet but that’s the next step.
It has nothing to do with intelligence. vi and emacs are just rote memorization and also endless installation of plugins and configuration. They are slow to pick up, but very powerful and also ergonomic once you know what to do.
A modern GUI like CSCode is faster to pickup and immediately very powerful.
A good emacs or vim configuration tailored to your needs can stay with you for decades. It’s stable, reliable, and does everything already. vim has released less than one point update per year for more than 2 years. During that time Sublime and VSCode had dozens, if not hundreds.
For most people the choice of editor doesn’t make a huge difference. They spend far more time reading than writing code.
Nano is the right choice for you.
Yes. It's newby-friendly, what is great for the time every 2 or 3 years that it opens in my face and there's no alternative editor installed.
Copy and paste are there too, but there's no reason to use them instead of the terminal buffer, so I can edit things in an editor I like. I just wish it made it easier to delete several lines at the same time.
CTRL-K,K,K...
That’s racist
Omega-level container brain
Never ceases to amaze me how people get so exercised over a text editor.
I remember the time when Linux jokes were about audio drivers and X11 config files, but audio has long been working out of the box, and X11 is already dead and cremated.
Even recompiling kernel now takes around five minutes instead of two hours, so that joke is irrelevant too.
So all we are left with is timeless discussion of which text editor is the best, and dumping on Windows.
This has been a lighthearted fake rivalry for as long as these text editors have existed.
That's because we all know which is the obvious superior text editor.
Windows 11 Notepad.
The AI helps me corrupt my .txt faster.
Helix, the true choice among champions.
Neovim-HEAD or you’re a boomer.
But I wouldn't be surprised if the memes give outsiders the impression that there is a real text editor war.
It’s not a war, war implies a fight, it’s a one sided massacre.
I'd even say as long as text editors have existed at all
So all we are left with is timeless discussion of which text editor is the best,
Gnome sucks!
Ducks and runs away
Bullshit, gedit is great
How long before gedit depends on systemd??
So all we are left with is timeless discussion of which text editor is the best, and
dumping on Windows.why it is nano
FTFY. :P
the ootb audio drivers on my thinkpad running fedora sound better than my work windows laptop
X11 is already dead and cremated
Real answer: those things matter to me because a quick frictionless experience very heavily dependant on muscle memory really helps with my ADHD. Laggy interfaces, having to hold left key for several seconds, and similar issues quickly pull my out of my train of thought.
It's not about shaving 2 minutes off my day, it's about not interrupting the flow.
Most tradespeople will have favoured tools. It might be for woodworking, plumbing, electrics, plastering or writing code.
There's little point in being tribal about it, but conversations will happen.
when nerds fight, it's the text editors that suffer
You mean a Rubik’s cube.
Because there is only one objectively right answer. Anyone who use anything else is no true unix user.
nano gang represent😎
I can use Vim, it was the choice for years. But I actually like using nano because it's what I need and all I need.
I actually prefer micro
micro enters the chat.
Static, portable binary with no dependencies.
Out of the box:
- Syntax highlighting
- Multi-line cursors like Sublime Text
- Mouse support (works incredibly well)
- Splits and tabs for working on multiple files
- Diff gutter
- Copy and paste with system clipboard
- Cross-platform (runs basically on anything that Go does)
- Sane key binds (ctrl-s, ctrl-c, ctrl-v, ctrl-z, ctrl-x, etc)
- Terminal emulator
- Plugin system to extend it
- And much much more
I have nothing to do with the project but this binary is the absolute best. curl or wget to any host and away you go with effectively a Sublime Text / VSCode like in the terminal. It’s as simple as nano and as functional as a well configured and extended vim.
It’s baffling it’s not more well known and not installed by default on major distros.
That’s not a text editor, that’s an IDE.
And emacs is an operating system 😂
And vim is a way of life
I'm glad we all agree that nano is the one true text editor.
/s
IMO it needs better LSP support and things like refactoring, smart auto completion, and go to definition for a range of languages to be considered an ide.
But you can edit text with it.
I use nano because I can't be assed to memorize key bindings, but I'll give this a go
Hahaha
Memorize
Okay guess what the keybind for Copy is in micro
Go on, guess
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT IT'S CONTROL+C
Now guess what Paste is
YOU GOT IT
Quit? Find? Undo? Save? Open?
If you guessed anything weird, that's on you.
My only complaint is that Ctrl+N is "find next" instead of Ctrl+G, but you can remap keybinds at will, so it's not that big of a deal.
If only I could get copy paste working when using micro over ssh. inside a document it works fine but I can't get it to put stuff on my system clipboard
to use the system clipboard I select with the mouse while holding shift, then do ctrl-shift-c iirc. That'll use the terminal emulator highlight and the system clipboard. At least on my machine, using kitty. Idk all the pieces that need to be in place for this to work.
Yep, and then Ctrl+Shift+V for paste.
But if you're pasting from Micro to Micro, and it's from the same session (horizontal/vertical splits, other tabs, elsewhere in the same document), you don't need to go to the system clipboard and can drop the Shift.
How many Linux distros include micro in their minimal image? Vim, emacs, and nano are good because I can connect to just about any container or Linux VM and expect to have all of them available.
Let's say I have a test that always passes on my machine but fails in CI. If I can get a terminal on the test runner, I can open up my test code in vim, add extra logging and error handling, and rerun the test to check my fix.
I am not going to install additional editors in a VM that will be recreated next time I push a code change. If I am setting up a development environment for long term use, I will install my favorite IDE and configuring all the bells and whistles.
the same old argument that anal sex is good because it works on more people
you might appreciate it, but being preinstalled is not the selling point you think it is. I spend hundreds of times longer in the editor than installing it. I want something good while I'm using it. I don't care if it takes me 30 seconds to install, and maybe no one should.
Wow I love this argument, you're bang on 😆
Most include micro iirc
I love nano. I used to do tech support for a Linux-based content management system (before SAaS take took off).. The customer sysadmins were sometimes whichever engineer was volun-told to do it, so competency varied wildly.
I helped mostly with installs. This might be the poor newbie sysadmin's first time on the command line. Nano was my go-to suggestion for editing config files--all the commands are right there! Much less intimidating than vi or emacs for a newbie.
Nano you can pick up in ten minutes and master in an afternoon. By that time you’re still reading the intro to vim or eMacs.
nano is just a text editor, I use it as a text editor, it has keybindings on screen by default, no need to config or memorise, why bother? (for text editing, not whatever people use vim or emacs for)
Kind of, but not really? Nano by default displays US English(?) keyboard bindings which are different to the keyboard I have, so I still have to have a cheat sheet open when I'm on a system with nano-only editor.
There are exceptions to everything.
Fortunately, every computer comes equipped with an "exit editor" button. It's on the back, attached to the power supply unit. You just flick the switch. Exits every editor known to humanity. /j
Ah, the famous NCIS way of exiting editors.
I use micro. It's 1000x better.
Pico...I'm going the wrong direction
Ugh. At least two decades I've used them and never made that connection. Thank you. And curse you. lol
Peta
Today I learned about the existence of "milli" and "kilo", both of which are terminal-based text editors! Quite interesting. I wonder if there are any more SI unit prefix text editors...
Holding out for a cursed deca
I was coming here to say "what about micro?"
Nano with a few config options by default?
Doesn't come standard like nano tho for a lot of distros
barely an inconvenience, you're one curl away from it
Assuming you have internet access lmao
idk if I ever set up a new machine without internet access, but sure
there are corner cases you'll need to use what's available. They should be exceptions.
I use Helix btw
nice! LMK if they ever get that frontend running
You can subscribe to the GitHub discussion, it looks like there are some prototypes but not a definitive GUI: https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/discussions/11783
Helix is my favorite, it does everything I want a text editor to do and it's much more intuitive than vim/nvim. I was never a power user of either so I'm sure it's missing plenty of functionality that nvim users are used to but it's perfect for my use cases.
Ah, my kith and kin. Salutations, ye of excellent discerning taste.
+1 for a Helix home.
I used some distro with vim back in the day and I just kept using it. I lose my shit when I use something with just nano and my muscle memory tries to do a vim thing.
Same. Makes nano a fucking nightmare.
If I can't :wq I have a panic attack
Some real talk.
Can we just include the 4 most popular text editors on basic systems??
Like i wanna scream when there isnt my text editor installed on a lightweight distro.
Vi Emacs Micro Nano
For context,
Debian ships with nano and vi Openwrt only ships with nano
Like cant we just include small editors. In a perfect world i would want neovim installed. But i understand its larger and has alot more dependency's.
So having VI isnt as good but im willing to be reasonable.
JUST INCLUDE VI
the reason i learned vim is because VI is installed by default on almost every distro.
Im tempted to try emacs tho
It's important to learn how to use package managers. :)
EMacs is an operating system masquerading as an editor.
For OpenWRT Nano is a good choice. Nobody spends hours in a text editor on that system. You can ssh into it and use any fancy editor with a million plugins installed on your own computer.
Madness lies in that direction.
Emacs macros are sooo nice.
No love for vim?
Kate users:
Having exposed brain probably lead to significant damages to it.
Get that boy a helmet and a doctor!
i use micro
The only daily kate user I seen was a guy writing his operating system on youtube.
i'm using it daily, but mainly just to take notes in markdown
Here's the soundtrack: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TGIvO4eh190
kate is not so bad, i use it almost daily to take notes while working
Just use ed.
Ctrl+D. Easy.
bash: ed: command not found
WHERE GOD NOW?
What sins have you committed on your system to remove ed?
fastfetch | grep ackage
Packages: 2530 (dpkg), 21 (flatpak)
me no remove package. me start with vanilla debian install. no need gui until me choose to install gui.
Please file a bug with the Debian maintainers.
How are people supposed to edit files without the standard editor?
with nano? /uj maybe it was an option during the install, IDK, I don't want to bother the folks with a suspicion and a shitty memory, nor do I want to reinstall deb somewhere else
I was joking, definitely don’t write them to install an editor that’s obsolete.
sed and grep (both inspired by ed) to do most of what ed does in a modern way, and ed was only useful over teletype when it was slow/expensive to render a scrollable field.
All modern TTYs support scroll regions, and with sed it just doesn’t make sense to use ed anymore.
ed as the standard editor is mostly a meme based on this page https://wiki.c2.com/?EdIsTheStandardTextEditor
using arch, btw
actually using debian btw
but... but... Ed is the standard editor 😦
Nano or as I like to call it "The Sudo Editor"
VIsudo -> opens nano ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Meanwhile in an alternate universe, two people argue about edit vs edlin… 😆
You use a text editor?!??
I just uses echo 'text here' > file.txt
/s
Neovim is my drug of choice
Honestly nano is perfect for quick edits. Vim and Emacs are powerful, but sometimes you just want to open a config file, change one line, and exit without fighting the editor. 😄
nano is usually built in. Adding another one is just redundant if all you're using it for is editing an occasional config file.
Honestly never understood the hate for it. Who cares? Petty, stupid, nerd-wars over little crap like a text editor is the reason average people don't even consider linux.
I very rarely see people hate nano (except a few comments in this thread), and I always see nano recommended as the text editor when people give advice on doing things in the command line
That has to come from someone who doesn't know the bliss of micro
When I was first learning how to code I was working on some beginner project and couldn't figure it out. I asked a friend who knew a few things what I was doing wrong and he hopped on my computer, fixed the code then opened it in vim and told me my project wasn't working because of whatever text editor I was using (I think sublime). So for like a year I hardly learned how to code but I got pretty dang good with vim.
Linux text editor discourse has been baffling to me for decades now. I don't care which you use, and I care even less about why.
I first ran into nano when I gave Gentoo a try. I had to edit a few config files, so I ran vi... no vi. Emacs? No Emacs. Well, shit, what am I supposed to do? So I went back a bit and read more carefully, apparently there was a thing called nano.
So I ran that. Ew. It was a clone of an old DOS editor of all things. What kind of lunatic had ported that? Anyway I managed to do my edits with it, added normal editors to the system and was on my way.
It was also the last time I used it.
nano is the perfect editor for people who only use editors in the terminal, once in a while to edit a config file.
I don't think it's the perfect editor for anything. They'll have to use vi sooner or later, they might as well learn the basics. Or just use kate.
Use Kate in command line over ssh?
Ssh - X
Then run kate, easy :)
"I hated using it"
"But you have used it, yes?"
Well, yes. But I did wash my hands afterwards.
Do they have a sink in eMacs now?
There's https://github.com/alex-hhh/emacs-soap-client
Gedit users be like
I love how people fight over what's the better editor. I just use whatever makes sense for the time, and it's not always the same one. But if you're happy with just one of them and can make it work for you in any situation, then you do you. That's the point of Linux, or so I thought.
I also use whatever makes sense at the time, and it's always nano.
Carcinization : there is one step, and it is crab.
Emacs evil mode enters the chat
JOE is over in hospice care
I'm standing up for joe!
I pressed 6 while holding shift, then x. But it just typed ^x in my file.
Maybe I need to swap black and white as I type them, but I don't know how to do that.
I think M is meta/alt
I'm not typing all that in. No wonder emacs users are angry all the time.
rofl
But... Micro is better
if micro so good, why no installed ?
Unga Nano : turn place linux
the best things in life take some effort to achieve
Love it, use it daily. If copy worked properly over ssh I would be so happy but for now I use less if I just want to copy something
If you add -X to your ssh command, it works flawlessly using ctl c and v
Nano say so at bottom but so does vim if it thinks you're trying to exit.
It even knows when you discover features by accident
ROFL
The human is thrashing about trying to escape... let me show him how to open the door for the fiftieth time
Pico gang rise up!
I no understand nano. I hate key combinations
Emacs is a table saw, vim is a chainsaw, nano is a scissor. Every problem those 3 solve is a differently sized single sheet of paper.
I mean, nano is cool I guess.
But just today my colleague asked what parameter add to a configuration file. He asked me should it be before or after this line? I told him before, he added it after. He had to select the line with the mouse, copy the text, go above, paste it, go back and delete the line character by character.
I mean, not too bad; but I was feeling very bad while seeing it happen.
^K Cut and ^U Uncut (paste) were on the screen the WHOLE time this happened.
"The instructions are on screen at all times!" is only a positive if you follow the instructions, otherwise they are wasting space.
ddp
:m-2
VS Code is probably the editor that's easiest to exit. If I ran it on the computer I first ran Emacs on, it'd exit immediately, because VS Code requires a modern version of Windows and that computer had Windows 3.11. If I ran it on the first computer I ran Linux on, it'd also exit immediately because the machine would run out of memory. (...it was a 486DX, I don't remember how much memory it had, but VS Code doesn't run well if your memory is measured in megabytes)
I like micro
I've been in camp Vim for decades, but I almost always suggest micro to people dipping their toe into Linux. I can't imagine thinking nano, or whatever, would be more comfortable unless the person has never used a computer before.
does anyone still use emacs? honest question.
Yes, the same kind of people who install headless linux on their daily driver
yes I use DOOM Emacs and will never use another editor. It's my IDE, my Email Client, my document writer, my File Manager, and my Terminal. don't need anything else.
I think it's pretty great
I really dont care what editor you use, ive never used emacs, nano is disgusting and i really like vim but it could be the exact opposite for you and i wouldnt care.
Picture is incorrect : it should be vi people yelling at everyone, the emacs guy trying to defend, and the nano guy like Keanu, just like "sure, pal, whatever you say."
At least, that's what I've seen from the vi cabal.
Nano is trash.
micro