My quest to get a steam controller has failed
17h 47m ago by lemmy.world/u/early_riser in games
This guy will have to wait for his younger brother.
It was available to buy starting noon local time. I refreshed the page until the buy option became available, but kept getting an error when submitting payment. Waited about half an hour and now it's sold out. Ni modo I guess.
DO NOT BUY THEM FROM EBAY!
or any other one of those websites ... the resellers are scum and you've waited this long, you can wait longer! hold strong!
No point anyway. It's not like they're difficult to manufacture or constrained by available components.
Don’t jinx us… we’re in the middle of a war, there are new tariffs every other day. I’m sure something could happen to the controllers supply chain.
Actually, that is a good point.. That being said, Steam as a company stays entirely apolitical.
However, of course, someone at Valve would simply need to whisper anything Anti-trump, and Trump would actively invoke laws to sabotage them, and call them woke or whatever
Are they manufactured in the US that seems like a bad idea.
They were shipped into the US from Hong Kong, so probably manufactured (or at least assembled) in East Asia.
https://www.importgenius.com/importers/valve-corp
Just give it a week and they'll be back in stock.
Ah, one of the dozen people who actually liked the original Steam controller! A rare sight indeed.
I actually didn't like it very much. Had to dig it out of a drawer for this photo. The face buttons are in an awkward position and the left trackpad is a terrible D-pad substitute. But I loved the gyro, and if it didn't invent grip buttons it was my first exposure to them at least, and both MS and Nintendo liked them, too, since the Xbox elite controller and switch 2 pro controller have them. I saw the potential and looked forward to Valve improving it, and by all accounts this new iteration is an improvement.
I'm also a sucker for mold-breaking attempts at better ergonomics. I own a Twiddler. Still can't get the hang of it, but nothing ventured nothing gained.
Exact same, I loved the features but it just wasn't very comfortable in my hands. The steam deck feels way better to me, and the new controller looks like that minus the screen, so I've been super excited for this.
That's interesting. The comfort was the number 1 feature of the original controller for me. The deck is the one hurting my wrists.
I guess it depends on the shape and size of your hands. For me the Steam controller sucked, the xbox controller fits much better in my hands but also isn't quite right sometimes.
I've heard a lot of other anecdotes from people who found the og controller really comfortable when others weren't, so you're definitely not alone there. Personally, I was constantly readjusting my grip but could never find that illusive sweet spot, so after awhile I'd start straining and cramping. I had a couple bumping around for a few years that I pulled out occasionally but I eventually sold them on eBay when their prices skyrocketed and mine were just collecting dust.
One of the things I did like about the original was actually the grips.
The old one was great if you just dropped the idea if twin sticks. I switched to a flick stick like setup without the stick and it changed the whole game. It only became unusable after I got the steam deck. I can't live without the touchpad menus.
I loved my OG steam controller! I wished I had bought more than one when it died 7 years later. Thing was bomb proof. Never had any other controller last that long say for anything built after the N64 anyway.
It took a lot of getting used to. So great for pc games.
Hoping the new one is just as durable. I guess it's reparable too!
How did it die? I've never had any problems with mine because I baby it.
For me one of my controllers shoulder buttons failed. I tracked down the switch and soldiered on a new one. On another one of the back buttons broke and I had to print a new back plate for it. Also on my heavily used steam controllers the stick is now getting drift. But I have 4 of them. Two still new in box.
I also could not get a new steam controller and I really want one.
I don't even remember what happened. Mourned her every time I had to buy a ps5 controller ever since.
I'm going to see if I have her packed away somewhere and if I do I'll give an update.
why is today reminisce about projector day?
I used the OG steam controller when I had a projector setup, I'd turn my office chair (that I used at home) around to look at the wall instead of the computer and use the virtual keyboard/mouse for films or watching stuff, or even playing games. Although it did take a lot to adapt to some which I preferred to use a regular controller. I forget if it was Just Cause 3/4 I played the shit out of with the steam controller or something else.
They did a hardware launch perfectly for the Deck - Account of minimum age needed, and a queue to buy as devices became available. Why the hell did they go with the old, shit version that only serves scalpers that use bots to scoop up every item?
Practically there wasn't really a difference with the Steam Deck. You still had everyone rushing at the same time to get the deposit in. People got errors during the check out, just like this time and scalpers popped up immediately as well.
Sure, you might have had a few people less, trying to buy it, if you restrict by age, but the controller was announced last year. Do you want Valve to sell the first controllers only to accounts that are older than 6 months or a year? Or do you go by the time the review embargo was up, which got broken because a few reviews leaked early.
So headlines will say "sold out in minutes!!!" and create FOMO for the second wave. That's my guess at least.
Why would you assume that is Valve's reason
People like to add reasoning to chaos. Everything has to be planned out for some people instead of life happening and businesses do what they do naturally. Take advantage of situations when they can and make money. I like valve and plan on getting a machine or deck when they are restocked. I think it's normal supply and demand with this one.
This doesn't really seem like Valve's MO
Oof. That's rough. But given how insanely profitable these ~90 minutes must have been for Valve, I'm sure they'll be back in stock in a few weeks since none of the components seem to have supply issues.
I managed to get one by just spam-clicking the continue button for about two minutes. I know, I'm part of the problem.
I managed to get one by just spam-clicking the continue button for about two minutes. I know, I’m part of the problem.
I tried that too but stopped because I thought it might think I was a bot.
I never do that because there's not much I need enough to commit that much, but also because I'm worried that the next week thirty of them will show up on my doorstep and I'll realize I'm broke.
For me, the error was popping up before the payment confirmation screen, so it wouldn't have been possible. Spamming the button worked for me.
But shit, if I did accidentally buy several, I'd just offload them at MSRP, probably to people on this site that couldn't get one.
Same except for about 20 minutes, and that's after wasting like 5 minutes looking for my wallet lol, so apparently I bought one of the last ones in stock
I knew the inventory would be sold in minutes, so I prepped. I loaded 150 EUR into my Steam wallet in case the 99 didn't include taxes, I double checked that my shipping and billing info is automatically filled in, and I made sure to be at my computer one hour before the release time just in case I fucked up the time zone conversion.
Same here but with a 100. Had to spam click on payment but it went through after a couple of tries
Was 100 enough? Mine came out to like 106 or something, with tax
I actually got kinda lucky in that respect, I learned last week that it was coming out today, but I didn't know when, and I stupidly didn't set any reminders or anything. Thankfully I happened to remember the sale this morning and was able to find out the time it started literally 10 minutes before it went live.
Maybe they would have lost money overall. The store being down for 45 minutes, is not good fo business.
While true, they still sold out.
They certainly did.
I'll also be waiting for a mext batch... the steam frame will be a nightmare to get if it's like this too... i have close to 9 000 hours in steamVR i wish that would count for something when getting the new headset.
It does. You had your fun, now it's time fit the 0 hours gang.
I really hope a lot of new people jump in and discover how truly incredible VR games are :)
What are 3 of your favorite? That aren't half life?
For a quick answer i'll give you my most played VR games and i might update this comment tomorrow with actual preferences. Beatsaber, skyrim VR, grimlord, legendary tales, windlands, blade and sorcery, payday 2, behemoth, ...
Couple thousand hours on the og steam controller didn't help me today.
I think the price will throttle demand a bit more with the frame.
It will be back in stock reasonably quickly imo.
No issues getting in AU, I think they were live 3am our time and I ordered mine lazily at 9am post-coffee. Almost forgot to do it
I had no issues here in Australia either, almost also forgot about it, but was having a coffee at work and ordered it on the steam mobile app. I'm pretty sure Valve have a warehouse for our region, its why we still have stock of the LCD steamdeck is still available
I barely managed to get one, had to spend well over 20 minutes spamming the continue button, because the first couple of times I passed that screen something else failed (they even charged me one of those times but the purchase didn't finish, so I imagine it will get reverted in a while).
I liked my old steam controller more in theory than in practice, I still have it and use it occasionally but it's more of a rarity when I think the features make up for the lack of d-pad and right stick. But the Steam Deck is just ideal for me, from the moment I grabbed it I have been wanting a standalone controller with that same format and inputs.
In any case, sorry you didn't get one now, I'm sure they'll be back in stock very quickly, it's likely they did a small batch first to test the waters on how much people wanted this. But production is probably ramping up just like what happened with the Steam Deck.
They've released more in waves with other hardware. Just keep checking on the hour for the first few hours, keep subscribed to reddit/Lemmy subs of steam. Or stay up till 10pm, midnight and watch again tomorrow at the same time as this release.
You can always go pay 2-3x and buy one from ebay... it's super convenient and you also pay them the shipping!
/s
The original was great for games that weren't made for a normal controller. And FPS games.
It'll be in stock again soon I'm certain. They're gamepads, not limited edition Pokemon cards or super cutting edge HBM memory chips
I have mine still. Bought it at launch. Never went back. Best controller I've ever had the pleasure to use. I genuinly LOVE everything about it. I don't even want the new one.
Can't improve upon perfection
The only thing that appeals to me with the SC2 is having 4 back buttons. I love my OG, but I often struggle to decide upon where to bind CTRL or SHIFT modifiers. I like to use the existing back buttons for mode-shifting.
I recently setup my OG for playing Endless Sky. It's wonderful. On a low-power arm64 machine as well.
Honestly I wish they had kept the upturned grips. Those felt really comfy.
I've had 2 different ones, and both got the "R1" button broken. It's a pity because it's the best controller I've ever used
Yeah I got one stuck in my shopping cart. Can't finish the order until it comes back in stock.
I still use the og steam controller
Same
I'm not sure if I'm weird or what but for me it only complained about me having a non-standard name and address and that I didn't have enough funds in the Steam wallet it kept trying to use.
I guess I just got super lucky that I got the transaction to go through after only a minute of trying, a literal minute before the announced 10 am Pacific time opening.
Take it from me guys, I was the early adopter and my experience showed me that as great as they were, they suffered major build problems that were only exposed when in the hands of millions. The second round of builds were much better.
I have been drooling for this controller for years, but I'm more than happy to be patient this round.
For those wondering I went through 17. I have no reason to lie, I love them so much I only used them, but they broke so easily.
yeah, but that was their first experience with hardware like this. there have been 2 steam decks since then.
Explains why my gen1 controller feels like shit. I never understood why people like them.
The haptics are worse than 90s 3rd party n64 controllers bought from a thrift store
Ni modo, we, ahi a la vuelta
Ni modo, we, ahi a la vuelta
... en el inicio me parecio chino.
Sos chileno?
Probablemente mexicano
puede ser, soy extranjero. cual region habla con "we"? pense que era una version corte de weon.
Si mexicano, del norte, algunos cortan el wey/güey.
Oh, the picture is an old controller? What's different about the new one?
Much closer to the steam deck. So has proper d pad, 2 analogue sticks with 2 square touch pads. Also has 4 back buttons, and capacitive touch sections on the grips. Has a few other features as well.
Why would you ever need more than one button to go back?
Oh... a button, that is on the back?
Yeah I realized my mistake halfway through writing this.

Hey, at least you didn't camp in front of the store and waited for hours in the freezing cold to go home empty handed. That's how new hardware releases used to be. They haven't restocked the Steam Deck in months but they will restock the controller soon, I believe.
if you can't find one I'd recommend getting a ps5 controller instead: it at least has one trackpad and a gyro, and works well with steam input.
I find the gyro is more useful than the track pad for mouse input, with an activation button set to capacitive touch on the track pad, or set to the aim button such as left trigger for shooting games.
The PS5 DualSense is definitely the second-best choice if you can't get a Steam controller. It has comparable features, although I personally feel like the touchpads are placed in suboptimal position compared to the Steam controller. It also has comparable build quality, unlike Microsoft's various iterations of Xbox controllers that all have absolutely disastrous build quality.
dog help you when (not if) your dualsense gets stick drift tho
Yeah, I'm on my third. It's fucking bullshit to be honest.
Why PS5?
why not any of the other good controllers out there. https://gamepadla.com/
We all know the "trackpad" on the ps5 controller is not really the same at all. Potentiometers for joysticks are unheard of in high quality controllers these days- everybody is using Hall Effect or TMR.
It's not like games really make use of touch controls these days, at least not the ones releasing on PC with high popularity like Crimson Desert.
PS5 controller specific, there is no dongle. You're stuck wired or bluetooth. Bluetooth is generally the worst for latency on any controller, and aside from a couple of very specific models with very low bluetooth latency it's really bad compared to a dedicated dongle / 2.4G.
It's not like games really make use of touch controls these days, at least not the ones releasing on PC with high popularity like Crimson Desert.
that's what steam input is for...
I don't want to fuck with controller settings to create unique bindings and controls for a feature that has no meaningful value add.
If I wanted four extra buttons or something, i'd just use the extra shoulder buttons and paddle buttons on the back of my controllers. There's no reason to do this though in crimson desert that I know of, the stock controller binds are awesome.
I don't want to fuck with controller settings to create unique bindings and controls for a feature that has no meaningful value add
the steam controller also probably isn't for you in that case...
I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of people buying this who aren't just scalpers jumping on the ~$200-$300 ebay price tag will never, ever create custom binds for those pads man.
the community creates a lot of custom layouts too, so you just need to scroll down the list and find one. The default ones also generally work pretty well and are easy to modify. It's just like changing your controls in any pc game.
Id hazard a guess that while the majority of people don't change their controls, those sort of people also don't tend to buy a steam controller.
I've created several, and I don't own a Steam Controller yet.
And I've also used countless community layouts created by others.
Steam Input is fucking awesome. If you know, you know.
My biggest gripe with the dualsense is the battery life. I get maybe 3.5 hours from it if I'm lucky and that's just watching media, literally barely using at all.
Sounds like Sony cheaps out on batteries with their PS controllers and has for some time. I have had battery issues with my PS 4 controller (that I barely use) and that's part of the reason I was looking forward to the steam controller -- battery life.
I don't have any of those 😅 🤷
I've not had stick drift... yet... (all of my Nintendo switch nunchuck controllers that I barely use however... all have stick drift 😅)
I've never noticed any input lag, but maybe my bt receiver is decent or something 🤷
there's quite a few community layouts for the DS5 in steam
That gamepadlia site doesn't appear to have a filter for trackpads...
Yeah, the typical experience for people doesn't expose them to what's out there for controllers. Maybe you've heard of 8bitdo in passing or have seen the really shitty hori conrollers in your childhood (or any of the other archaic garbage brands that used to exist and were handed to little brothers everywhere as the shitty controller.) Times have changed. I think the non-major brands are better now. I have only tried a small sample of what is out there, but have yet to be disappointed in the $25-$65 range. Can't speak to the stupid expensive $100-200+ controllers like what razer makes. I usually check reviewers.
Bluetooth as a tech has all kinds of issues for users. Just takes a bad driver update and it's not working right. Dongles just work, like cables. Plus some controllers are horrible on bluetooth. Latency most people don't notice without a side by side comparison, but it's always there. I do use controllers with bluetooth, generally when I have no other option or a dongle isn't convenient. It's common for dongles to be included with and removable from charging base stations nowadays, like what comes with the ~$55 8bitdo ultimate wireless 2.
The trackpad filter though you're looking for doesn't exist because nothing else works like the valve deck/controller pads. The ps5 one is not really the same without the feedback and awkward placement imo.
I haven't had stick drift myself either since the 360 days, but I don't game full time on a controller. It's one of those every now and then on a specific game i'll use it. Have a ps5 but hardly played it so the controller is still like new.... but I had an xbox elite series 2 controller have shoulder button issues with less than 100 hours used, which led me to look at "off brands" that changed my mind about how to approach controllers overall.
Will say that joystick tension adjustments are awesome, as are adjustable triggers. Most other features are pointless for me but I know macros can be useful for some. The trackpad thing is a hard sell though because the game has to have a meaningful implementation (still waiting to find one of those. Maybe someone with a deck that uses them heavily can chime in..) or you need to setup a custom controls in steam's direct input somehow to make use of it in a game.
The ps5 one is not really the same without the feedback and awkward placement imo.
I have a steam controller too and I find the placement of the thumbsticks and face buttons awkward so I tend to use the PS5 one instead, and I don't find the trackpad placement on it too bad. steam controller trackpad placement is definitely way better though.
Nintendo will fix your joycon stick drift for free (they have to, court order). Unless they stopped doing that.
I'm a huge fan of the Dual Sense. Best haptics I've ever felt, awesome triggers, etc.
That said, the track pad on it isn't at all comparable to the ones on the Deck (and I'm guessing this new controller).
Even if games did let you bind it to anything and use it as a mouse for FPS games (it doesn't), the size and placement is super awkward for that use
I know. I was expecting issues, though. Steam pretty much always has issues with their site at the start of sales and new hardware launches, so this was entirely predictable.
On the flip side, every time this has happened when I was around to notice, there were obvious signs the site was failing from the get-go. Slow page loads, error messages, pages just not loading at all, etc. This time around, the site loaded up fine. Page navigation was quick as normal. Buttons worked. Cart worked. Checkout seemed to be working.
Then BAM. Error message when paying. I tried a few different payment methods and even checked on other devices.
So, I stepped away for a bit. Came back and I was surprised that the controllers were still in stock. Figured I'd try again. That time, I got a different error message when I attempted to pay. I thought maybe there's something fishy with my cart/session so I removed the controller from my cart, expecting to re-add it and try checking out again. Only, when I went back to the controller page, it had flipped over to out of stock. It was literally only a matter of maybe 20 seconds since I'd last checked the page when it was showing as in stock. Missed it by that much.
Damn, I must have gotten lucky. I bought one around around 9:57 PST, no refreshed, no reloads, no issues. I'm sorry you missed out. Hopefully they'll be in stock soon. I've got a friend that also missed out.
I still have one I never used. You can buy mine (I'm in the EU though). Send me a pm
But know this isn't the new one. It's the same as in the picture, which is years old.
I was getting an error as well. I saw someone on Reddit say they just spammed the "confirm" button and it eventually went through.
So I did that for like 10 min and it worked
I genuinely don't understand the hype beyond valve fanboyism. They already released a steam controller years ago and it was actually terrible, like there's a reason no one else has even bothered to try and copy the track pad controller gimmick, because it's just bad.
It's like trackball mice, it just takes practice to get used to. Next to no one outside logitech makes them either but they are still genuinely good if it's what you need.
The original controller is pretty awesome. It was also really really cheap. I love them because it's the only controller for playing games that were not designed for a controller.
The original controller was like a concept car, lots of new ideas but not every one was guaranteed to stick. Plenty of them did stick though, like grip buttons and gyro control. The new controller is a more conservative iteration that takes what worked and drops what didn't while acknowledging why the industry converged on the standard button layout all the way back in the late 90s. That's exactly the sort of innovation I want to see.
Dude, it's just a piece of plastic. You can wait a bit.
the price point isn't outrageous, but it's not compelling when an Xbox controller can be bought for a third the price. Track-pads are nice, but people playing Steam are often sitting right next to a keyboard and mouse anyway.
As a steamdeck owner, the ability to use the trackpads to play old keyboard/mouse games without having to sit at a computer, is great. I've been playing a lot of Dungeon Siege and Baldur's Gate 2, released in early 2000's with mouse/keyboard in mind, and they both work flawlessly.
The new Steam Controller is a welcome addition because the old Steam Controller doesn't have the same button and joystick layout, plus its missing buttons, compared to the steamdeck. So when you want to dock the steamdeck and play your favorite first person shooter for example, and game on the TV in the livingroom, there's no controller until now that matches what you've become accustomed to expecting with muscle memory, from playing on the steam deck.
Xbox controllers are bad. I have two with stick drift. The steam controller has TMR sticks. They should never drift as long as the springs don't wear out. They also have a few other goodies. They are more comparable to the Xbox elite controller.
They don't even have gyro. I used Xbox controllers for many years but nowadays they feel like something from ancient times.
And to think Gyro could become much more mainstream had it became a part of Xinput.
If all 3 console manufacturers had it, it'd alleviate the concern publishers have of having a cross-platform release with discrepant features, thus allowing more games to support it.
But no, of course they won't do it. Jokes on me for expecting Microsoft to do anything remotely useful to the consumer.
DualSense has gyro, but it seems like no games actually use it (steam input means this can't happen with the Steam Controller)
Well, first of all an Xbox controller costs around 50 which is not a third of the price. Secondly the Xbox controller has literally less than half the inputs of the steam controller: Xbox controller has a d-pad, 2 joysticks, 2 triggers, 4 face buttons, 2 top buttons, play/pause buttons and the special power button; whereas the Steam controller also has 4 back buttons, 4 capacitive sensors, gyro, 2 trackpads (each of which on its own has a ridiculous amount of possibilities for usage) and 2 special buttons which are kinda irrelevant here. And that's without mentioning the fact that TMR sticks are ridiculously better than traditional ones of the Xbox controller, or that the dongle works on a dedicated bandwidth instead of Bluetooth for the Xbox controller (because the dongle is sold separately I'm not considering it here, otherwise you need to add 20 to the total and then it's DEFINITELY not a third of the price) so latency is much better.
Also, I'm not near a keyboard and mouse most of the time when playing, as I usually play on my TV. If I were near a mouse and keyboard I wouldn't need a controller to begin with.
An xbox controller can be bought for a 3rd of the price
A used or older model one, maybe.
A new one is only $20 cheaper at $80.