Echo chambers
1d 8h ago by lemmy.world/u/FelixCress in comicstrips
Missing the decades in which they tried persuading, debating, discussing and educating up to this tipping point, this final straw, all to no avail.
Are we supposed to just keep trying forever, pointlessly? Exhaustingly? Every day? For another 30 years?
At some point for our own mental wellbeing it's time to consider that some people will simply never change, are closed to any and all discussions, and it's best for ourselves to stop trying over and over, and focus on our own mental health instead.
I was idealistic once, and would have said there's never a time to stop trying to fix other people, to help them see a different viewpoint, or mortality, etc, but some people just can't be fixed. All you're really doing by continuing to try is breaking yourself in the process. Be kind to yourself <3
I'm always gonna try to persuade others to be kinder and more responsible, but I don't bother with people who A: have chosen to ignore future arguments, B: hurt those who try to persuade them. I'll keep talking to any absolute shithead who actively listens and doesn't attack Me.
A: have chosen to ignore future arguments, B: hurt those who try to persuade them.
this has been the core conservative M.O. for decades, metastasizing into trump's constant assault on any statement anywhere that isn't heaping fawning praise on him. "fake news" he says, and that is instantly parroted by his cult following. there is no "persuade" with people who have chosen to discard reality in favor of the completely insane fantasy land of the cult hive maga mind.
so yea. unfriend, burn those bridges, and never miss an opportunity to shame, mock, and ridicule all fascists' wrong viewpoints and opinions
there is no “persuade” with people who have chosen to discard reality in favor of the completely insane fantasy land of the cult hive maga mind.
What about people who have chosen to discard reality in favour of nice things like fairness, justice, and the power to improve the world?
people who have chosen to discard reality in favour of nice things
for example....?
Me, I chose to discard reality in favour of nice things. I wrote a manifesto about it: https://soulism.net/
ok, interesting. if we are just choosing to reject what we call "consensus reality," then what frame of reference are you using to "persuade" someone? if someone takes your definition of justice, fairness, "niceness" and throws it out the window, then what are you doing?
regardless of whether "reality" exists or not, at some point people need to agree on some definitions regarding what's "real" and not-real... the rejection of this notion is why we have "covid is a hoax," "LGBTQ is a 'lifestyle' choice" and other problems causing major harm. or death.
you are free to believe what you want. i won't mock and ridicule you, i save that for people who actively wish harm on people just for the crime of being different
Falseness can be determined in an antirealist ontology in two ways: hypocrisy, and ethical consequences. For example, if someone claims a belief in science, but thinks climate change is a hoax, that's hypocrisy. We can point out that science says climate change is happening. And if someone claims to value kindness, but misgenders trans people, we can point at the dysphoria caused by the actions.
Now, these two tactics won't work on people who don't mind being hypocrites and don't care about ethics. Namely, fascists. We deal with fascists using violence. This includes "soft" violence like denying them freedoms, and hard violence like physically or emotionally harming them. If everyone agrees not to be friends with nazis, then nazis are gonna be lonely and maybe they'll stop being nazis in order to gain friends again. If that doesn't work, we can throw soy milkshakes at them. If that doesn't work, we can put them in a room where they can't hurt anyone and make them see a therapist. And if that doesn't work, we can shoot them with a tank.
If someone has the entirely self-consistent ideological view that putting Jewish people in gas chambers is an axiomatic good, then I am willing to commit acts of violence within the bounds of the Geneva conventions to enforce My subjective belief that putting Jewish people in gas chambers is bad. That action doesn't require realism, it just requires that I be strongly committed to subjective principles.
see, i agree: once someone has clearly signed on to the fascist cult bandwagon, then it's time to burn bridges, mock, shame, and ridicule, and outright deny the notion that those viewpoints have any validity or deserve any consideration.
people who got mad at trump because of the AI jesus picture, but not because of the raping, pedophilia, fraud, corruption, bullshit iran war, and just generally being a complete asshole, are the people i have in mind. absolute 100% morally bankrupt hypocrites, yet projecting and accusing everyone else of same
and then you have comics like OP, trying to bothsides everything all the time, which helps nothing, ever
Awesome, glad I could expose you to a prosocial version of rejecting reality!
Oh, how I hate you philosophers.
Oh, how I love you philosophers.
dont feed the troll - felix will say the most misogynistic shit imaginable and then hide behind the smarmiest "its just jokes y u so mad bro??"
only reason ive not blocked felix is so i can bring this shit up when they post obvious ragebait
Felix is definitely a Russian grandpa
This is a type of pettiness I can get behind!
not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll though.
i often see people blocking others (me for example) just because they aren't comfortable with having a debate with someone with completely opposite views.
in that case blocking isn't "not feeding the troll" but more "staying safe in your bubble".
the fact that OP is (apparently) a cringelord doesn't make that particular point wrong.
A few key points to live by:
- Not everything needs to be debated
- Even if you’re right, you can still be wrong
- Opinions are like assholes: everyone has them, and they usually stink
- People are allowed to prioritize their own mental health above someone else’s feelings
- Not everyone will agree with you, and that’s okay
- no, but we are talking about preserving your own bubble, which is a completely different matter.
- we aren't talking about winning or losing, being right or wrong. it's just about discussing, which isn't always supposed to have a definite outcome.
- and if you put your own out there you should expect to be confronted with mine.
- living in a bubble isn't healthy though, which is the topic of the comic here. not engaging is perfectly fine and I do it too.
- yes, that's exactly what I meant.
I see why people often block you lol
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I know right? you just point someone wrong and they get upset... smh
People leave the room when they walk in.
Debate? Have you tried persuade tankie that Putin's action on Ukraine is bad?
You say that as if Trump isnt worse, who invaded iraq again? If youre not killing the president f the USA personally right now you cant say shit about anything.
I have to travel to the other side of the globe to kill the president, who the fuck have money and time for that?
And what does that have anything to do with my point? And when did Trump invade iraq? It's iran. Both are fucking worst, but tankie support putin, not trump, so again, it has nothing to do with my point.
Yeah i was hoping the /s wasnt necessary.
My bad, it really looks like an actual opinion
same here to be honest.
The ending bit is hard to read with sarcasm when I've seen the exact same sentiment from the 3 big tankstances.
The /s was absolutely necessary. I thought you were stating an opinion.
I think all authoritarians are bad
Ah yes, when far right extremists complain about people not wanting to listen to them.
Fitting OP's account as usual.
Amazing. With no awareness.
This isn't a 'far right' problem.
Don't bother, this user brands "far right" anybody who they disagree with.
No, just misogynistic craps :)
don't you think this is an ironic comic to post for an account whose main contributions to this community are comics in the format of "turns to guy I don't like: you are fucking stupid"
The irony of posting this to Lemmy
This assumes good intent no? Usually the issues I'm not willing to debate or discuss with some dick head is because they're, in fact not trying to debate with good intent.
yeah feels like %90 online discussions now a days are in bad faith
Great, sounds like the comic isn't about you, then.
What? I can't post a comment, boss?
Where did you get that from?
I think it's a joke, closely related to the comic.
Ah, you're right. Instead, I should waste away my precious little free time in pointless online """"debates"""" with people who may or may not be AI propaganda chatbots.
easy counterargument would be: even your own bubble could be full of chatbots you agree with.
But at least I won't waste all day arguing with them.
I’m not debating my right to literally exist with anyone. Fuck right off.
Right? This isn't about pineapple on pizza. It's jot even how taxes should be spent, or the economy on general.
If you're against my right as a human being to exist, there's nothing to pursuade or debate. Just fuck off out of my life.
The poster of this fascist boomer shit is exactly who I expected.
"Unfriend" ? What year is it
Who is that 3rd person?
Stefan, who was sleeping with both of them until last week.
The 4th pic shows a number of people in their little bubbles.
Are you a bot?
I think if Reddit/Lemmy users want to do anything more than preaching to the choir during their time online and build actual bridges, they need to go on Facebook. Because there's no way Facebook boomers are coming over here.
Or you could, you know: go outside and talk to people IRL? (touching grass, as it were)
In the outernet?
Yes, that is the best solution of all
But...then I have to talk to someone...
If I wasn't against it, social media would not show me this.
Didn’t you just post something with the opposite message, not even a month ago?
https://lemmy.world/post/45811390
I can't tell if these are meant as messages or just observations
Edit: I had not considered the third possibility: shitposts
and yet
I'm a few billion dollars short on my propaganda empire to convince people.
Everything is better disconnected online. There no convincing people online. Only in person, where people are more moderate, and more likely to express more moderate views or not fall/goad into petty debate.
... except for Felix.
Dialectic is the right answer