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Donald Trump says US will take over Cuba ‘almost immediately’

3d 3m ago by feddit.dk/u/8oow3291d in world from www.newsweek.com

President Donald Trump said Friday during remarks in Florida that the United States would take over Cuba “almost immediately,” suggesting an aircraft carrier could be positioned offshore after the conflict in Iran.

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While the president’s comments appeared partly joking, they followed concrete policy action in the form of broadened sanctions.

The article says "partly joking", but it would be insane to not take the US President seriously when he says stuff like that.

Yep. He's "partly joking" about everything right up until the second he isn't.

Whats even more crazy is you can show a MAGA an old statement of his and they say he is joking. Then show them him acting on that statement and you can actually see their brain melt.

That's what we call sane washing. He's one of the most powerful people on the planet, his words have weight, this is not some crazy guy on the street corner.

Just a crazy guy in the oval office

Remove the ovals, put him back on the corner!

He no doubt does want to do a regime change operation against Cuba. It's just the resources are tied up with trying to get Iran to re-open the strait, give up their nuclear program, and disband the Axis of Resistance Network.

Result is the US is not coming and any change has to happen inside the country. Which isn't going to happen thanks to the US starving the people of needed resources

Result is the US is not coming and any change has to happen inside the country.

And the Cuban people overall like their government. Any pressing issues are wholly the fault of the USA, as far as can be assessed.

Sorry but from the information I can gather the Cuban people have similar opinions as Iranians have for their government.

They don't like them, with real reason for no revolution because the US is not genuinely helping the people but trying to get their own oligarchs in power.

With both sides shooting the best the people in the middle can do is keep their head down and survive (unfortunately)

No they don't lmao. Only the old generations still alive after the Revolution when they kicked out the USA are still die-hards. Most of the younger to middle aged people in general hate the Cuban government. How couldn't they? They live the life while regular ppl have nothing due to the horrible sanctions by the USA. You don't win hearts and minds with poverty, hunger, disease and death.

In regards to the sanctions: that's a crime against humanity for an island like Cuba.

I doubt the Cuban people blame their government for illegal USA sanctions.

Yes they do. Spent 2 months there in March last year.

Sounds misplaced, then, because they are being sanctioned by the US for literally just existing as an independent country

Were the margaritas warm?

Lol 🤓

While the Cuban people don't love the sanctions the reason for anti-goverment sentiment is the state apparatus not looking like doing anything to resolve the crisis but put more in the so called revolutionary defense committee and security institutions

Exactly

but put more in the so called revolutionary defense committee and security institutions

I mean, maybe rightfully so since they've been threatened constantly for the past year.

And where do those threats come from? What I refer to is internal enforcement, IE concern of a threat on the Island.

In regards to the sanctions: that’s a crime against humanity for an island like Cuba.

Not only that but historically the best way for the US to extend its influence is to to engage in commerce with countries. If we had normalized relations and engaged in trade that benefitted Cuba(and Iran) rather than being aggressive and threatening, then in a few decades the population would become friendlier and more reliant. And they'd be drinking coca cola, eating McDonald's and watching American movies.

I have felt for a long time that the US wasted a fantastic opportunity after 9/11. All the countries of the world were on our side and our belligerence pissed all that goodwill away. If we had taken that opportunity to engage in a charm offensive with Iran and Cuba, they might be allies now.

But conservatives see that as weakness, so we can't be friendly with other countries unless they demonstrate fealty to us.

You'd think the capitalists would understand this but unfortunately the US has been engaging in imperialistic capitalism and that requires dominance, not cooperation and mutual respect.

The US will use up all it's ammo on these operations and squander all it's goodwill with allies, then someone will probably attack it's interests around the world.

I for one will welcome our new Chinese overlords, as long as they install solar everywhere and execute a bunch of billionaires.

Certainly will get the panels. But the Billionaires are safe so long as they pay the party tribute

Ojalá

suggesting an aircraft carrier could be positioned offshore after the conflict in Iran.

Don't worry, the "conflict" in Iran isn't ending any time soon...

What are you talking about? It ended at least three times already this year!

That's so much winning, I just can't keep up.

Maybe if he ends the war a few more times he'll finally get that peace prize...

Fucking worse than useless press.

This man does not make jokes.

After the conflict with Iran?

The conflict that you're currently "winning"?

He has won it and ended it completely at least (checks notes) 17 times now! Nobody has ever ended the same war that many times in all of history!

I hear a PGA peace prize is in the works

I got worried for a second.

He needs more distraction

Release the Epstein files

Iran is a quagmire but only has a tiny fraction of our military involved, so there's plenty of capacity for more war to shift the narrative.

Can't do war without bombs

Remember when we "couldn't" help Puerto Rico after Maria because Puerto Rico is an island, surrounded by big water, ocean water?

Trump on Friday said the disaster relief effort in Puerto Rico is complicated because it is “surrounded by water.” “This is an island, surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water,” the president said during a speech in Washington on his tax plan.

In other news: the US is runnig out of ammo. Yeah sure, let's open up a new front.

Dementeid old fool.

the US is runnig out of ammo

If I had a dollar for every time I read the "American military running out of ammo" story, I'd be richer than a Lockheed executive.

Americans are so easily gaslit on this shit. You can jump out behind a corner shouting "We don't have enough tomahawk missiles!" and they'll reflexively hand you $20B.

It's not that it can't be true they've expended a significant part of the stockpiles, it's more that the implication isn't that they won't be able to prosecute the ongoing or another war, just that they'll be somewhat limited by it and that if shit really hit the fan in the form of China for example they want to have a stab at it too then they could be in more trouble.

Reminds me a lot of the similar stockpile counting with regards to Russia in Ukraine.

they’ve expended a significant part of the stockpiles

And they're using supplies faster than they're restocking. But they're also running out of targets and slowly Iran's capacity to fire ballistic missiles in kind.

So we get hysterical coverage of what is normal and expected changes in munitions to drive stone broader narrative of military resumes and whose to blame.

don't worry... he already forgot that he is at war with Iran. he has to be reminded of it hourly.

don't worry...

I know you're being sarcastic, but still. With the likes of him and Hegseth in change, I am constantly worried. Even if I do live in a country that is not currently being threatened directly by them.

Not the same kind of tools would be used in a war with Cuba. In this scenario, the US has already the homefield advantage by controlling the gulf of "America".

Never heard of that

No one besides the administration does.

Remember when our heads felt so quiet, because we were not constantly bombarded by the shit coming out of the president of the united states mouth? I miss that blessed time.

Gotta distract from the failure of his pointless war in Iran by starting a new pointless war with a country that's more vulnerable...

Fucking fascist.

His powers expand if he can claim a state of emergency. He likes to keep lots of them happening

Some serious Palpatine energy...

America First is going great

First 1 world country drove into the ground.

Nah, it's only first world if you are wealthy, white, male, and christian. Everyone else gets sparking individualism.

America First was the start of Trump's hit list.

So now we're off to murder a whole bunch of innocent Cubans for literally no reason beyond that probably the president was paid by someone to do this, after which we'll break our nose bloody again and fail, after which we'll look like even bigger losers to the entire world, after which we'll just declare victory and leave.

The US, ladies and gentlemen

“The Aristocrats!”

Naw, their act is too highbrow for US

Speedrunning the end of an empire.

for literally no reason beyond that probably the president was paid by someone to do this

The someone is Rubio, specifically.

Replace "Cubans" with "people" and you've got yourself American foreign policy since WW2.

A three day special operation?

A quick adventure. In. Out. Nobody will even notice 👍

The Evil Empire is overextending.

but why?

Because a communist country minding its own business while trying to provide for its people is evil, while a capitalist country bombing country after country non-stop for decades while trying to provide for a handful of billionaire sociopath pedophiles is good.

When you put it like that ... :)

Still trying to outrun Epstein

Control of trade routes

Trump will do anything to distract from the fact that he's all over the Epstein files.

Peace President keeping up the peace with yet another war.

You can almost hear Hegseth's glee on the wind as life comes back to his whisky dick at the thought of an opportunity to mass murder more civilians.

That's Rubio getting his rocks off. Hegseth has less of a dog in the Cuban fight because he never clicked on it in a game of Crusader Kings.

I hope Europe and Nato start working together with all smaller countries to form a new Nato to protect against American imperialism and American aggression. Cause together, diplomacy is better than force

You hope the impossible. Why would europe give up its imperial benefits for third world solidarity? Anyone that has truly shown third world solidarity were eastern bloc, ussr, etc

Tankie right here. USSR did the same as US did. At least EU didn't invade any third-world country recently.

No, USSR was miles better than US and its common sense opinion. Tell me how were they same?

Khrushchev and Brezhnev USSR (these were the ones that invaded the most) versus Eisenhower, Kennedy and LBJ (then the comparison gets bad with Nixon)

Who did they invade?

Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Vietnam (debatable)

Only Afghanistan was an invasion and I oppose it, soviets did wrong there. Hungary and Czechoslovakia wont be called invasion because it was to suppress a west backed coup, and death toll was nothing much. Vietnam certainly no, on the contrary they helped vietcong fight the french, american invaders and win the civil war

The biggest problem in Cuba is the blockade.

Truth

FUCKING WHY

After 70 years of torture

Cuba's current government won't let US businesses extract Cuba's wealth and exploit their citizens.

Ruin Canada's vacation spot.

Central bank architecture

imagine asking this question after witnessing the cold war

They fear communism more than anything.

Someone paid him and flattered him, obviously.

after the conflict in Iran.

Sounds like they're safe then.

[x] doubt

America is already attacking cuba by stopping all oil and energy towards the country, untill they release some political prisoners... according to news, america is holding cuba hostage energy wise... wtf

he thinks he will outlive us

He lost to Iran, if he loses to Cuba, that is going to be insane

Read: Two more weeks.

Helping Marco Rubio fulfill his lifelong dream.

When his family got out THREE years BEFORE the revolution. So they had to fled FROM BATISTA.

He can only declare war for 60 days. Iran is up, Cuba next. Then Greenland, etc etc etc

And even thats not legal, its using made up reasons.

Greenland is currently postponed cause we solidified it in the 150 billion EU-US trade deal, that trump made with ursula, Europe hasn't signed it yet, and added trump-proof guard rails, if trump threatens to take greenland one more time the deal is off the table. And maybe we should make a pact with south america and other nations against american imperialism, the new nato to protect against american aggression

😂 Do you have any shred of a plan this time? You sure Putin would let you?

Same plan as Iran:

  1. Send the US military to bomb a bunch of stuff.
  2. Iran Immediately folds and capitulates to all our demands.

It’s the most bestest plan ever that only the brilliant minds of Trump & Hegseth could have come up with.

Concepts of a plan

Putin can't do much here. Sanctions on trade are pretty much to highest extent.

You can’t really compare though. Iran is a vast country, and the logistics around re supply is different. Cuba is a morsel.

OK grandad.

It’ll be total control almost as fast as his total control over Iran.

What’s the clear and present danger for this one again?

Gentle reminder that cuba was first sanctioned by JFK. Liberal Bill Clinton strengthened those sanctions. For us communists (and other sane leftists) we should know theyre all the same.

With Maduro and the first Iran bombings they worked because there was the element of surprise.

If the Cubans have any braincells they will be prepared.

They've been under threat for a long time. I'm sure they're prepared.

They don't have much to prepare. Can't prepare much without power, let alone lights. Night-vision capable forces would have a field day.

I've heard this one before

If the US went in with the big stick, Cuba would fall in a week. Russia doesn’t have the heft to support Cuba at this time and a China doesn’t have the tradition and reach. Most Cubans have deep connections with the US and they know the different in quality of life. There’s be very little support from the population towards the regime. Cuba has barely any friends internationally.

That doesn’t make it right. But of all the countries to “take”, Cuba would be the simplest for the US. And Trump might just be mad enough to do it.

You are vastly underestimating cuban peoples commitment to the revolution (they on avg have better QOL than an avg american). Calling it regime you are manufacturing consent for invasion but again you are western british chauvinist so this is expected.

If the US went in with the big stick, Cuba would fall in a week

The US has been in with the big stick for 50+ years against Cuba and they've resisted not just fine but with a higher life expectancy than the US. They just haven't invaded militarily so far because they expect greater internal and international support for the Cuban government as a result, so their strategy is to enforce hunger through sanctions. From the US office of the historian:

"Salient considerations respecting the life of the present Government of Cuba are:

  1. The majority of Cubans support Castro (the lowest estimate I have seen is 50 percent).

  2. There is no effective political opposition.

  3. Fidel Castro and other members of the Cuban Government espouse or condone communist influence.

  4. Communist influence is pervading the Government and the body politic at an amazingly fast rate.

  5. Militant opposition to Castro from without Cuba would only serve his and the communist cause.

  6. The only foreseeable means of alienating internal support is through disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship.

If the above are accepted or cannot be successfully countered, it follows that every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government."

Most Cubans have deep connections with the US and they know the different in quality of life

And most Cubans are aware that the reason is the economic embargo, and that at least they can afford rent and healthcare unlike yanks.

There’s be very little support from the population towards the regime

You're absolutely making that up.

Cubans are better educated than Americans. They know why they kicked the American mobs out of Cuba.

I honestly don't know why they went Iran instead of Cuba if they wanted to wave their big dick around.

Completely agree. Iran of all places - I genuinely think he believed he could somehow force a better deal than Obama. Talk about not understanding the regime.

I've seen reports that Trump was going to go for Greenland and his advisors shifted his attention to Iran instead. There was also that time Trump leaked Macron's message where Macron said he'd support Trump with Iran if he backed off Greenland.

When was the last time you visited cuba / talked to their people directly?

I went around 2018ish, and your take doesn't track. You're right, Russia doesn't have the heft to support Cuba -- but they haven't had the heft to support Cuba for decades. Most Cubans in their 40s that I met, looked back at the days of a stronger Russia as an ideal time period, where they had more goods available -- they literally long for the good old days when Communism was bigger on the world stage. They clearly associate/blame the USA's actions for causing unnecessary famines and issues. Why on earth would you think people would be favorable to a foreign nation that is literally enacting economic warfare to starve the population?? "Thank you for the boot, may I have another?" What??

One of Cuba's main 'exports', are doctors/medical staff for disasters facing other countries. Becoming a doctor in Cuba is basically free of charge, but you gotta work for the govt for a few years after you graduate -- as a low paid, outsourced worker as part of these relief teams. Cuba's govt charges western-ish rates for assistance, but pays those docs a lot less, pocketing the margin for funding govt activities / programs, such as their medical programs. Practically any country that has had a major natural disaster, has gotten assistance from Cuba in this way, because of how they've structured the program -- so I reckon most of those countries would be friendly to Cuba. "Big" western nations aren't the only 'friends' Cuba can have. Heck, there've been articles from numerous news sources even just recently, noting that increased American aggression on this front is impacting health services in various other countries.

America has a lopsided, bully-oriented, military approach at present. They spend an absolutely absurd amount on their military -- hell, they could probably blow up most of the UKs government if they wanted to, which is why your politicians are being such pussies when it comes to the US going rogue and openly boasting about committing war crimes. They have the operational capacity to attack/destroy most other governments. It's not clear they have the capability to occupy and control additional land / regions though, as evidenced by their fumblings in the middle east in recent past, and in that they didn't stick around in Venezuela (they didn't even topple that regime, just abducted the dictator at the top). Having soft power / the support of the people, is an essential component to that sort of thing -- and seeing as America's recent actions are pissing off / alienating even Western powers, I see no reason why anyone would think they'd have much 'success' in occupying foreign lands. They'd meet active resistance, just like their attempts to setup in Iraq/Afghanistan -- likely to a much larger degree even.

Been 2 days since he said that.

TACO?

Sure, his latest war is not going to plan. There are plenty of unknowns in Venezuela and the Cubans will not tolerate US imperialism.

In a 3-day special operation?

I'm pretty sure invading Cuba during this Trump administration would result in the next(Democrat) administration following through with complete annexation and, I'd wager, the creation of a new US State of Cuba.

It may even result in Puerto Rico statehood and D.C. statehood simultaneously.

Because, by the time Trump is out of office, the news cycle will have moved all the way through outrage to regret to acceptance and finally to "what is the most humane thing to do now?"

Democrat liberal voters will conveniently conclude the most ethical path is to make more left-leaning states while they have the chance, because not doing so means the following elections lean rightward again and risk another Trump-like administration takes over.

I hate that. Because that means some philosophers are right about modern liberalism. You pretend to have tolerance, freedom, open-debate… until you really want or need something, then you elect a tyrannical leader who will break the rules to get you where you need to be. After that, you collect your wins and the charade of liberalism goes back up.

We need a long reckoning after Trump. Not a win.

I don't follow philosophical literature, but I almost 100% agree with that.

The only thing I would add is that modern American "liberals" are like the modern American "religious". They vote for people who call themselves "liberal" and they call themselves "liberal" but they don't read and they don't really believe canonical "liberal" things if those positions do not serve them personally on issues they care about.

I do not believe there is a monolithic "liberalism". To have a philosophical discussion about "liberalism" we have to paint in broad coalition strokes to stipulate that "liberals" are a cohesive group anymore(going back as far as I can remember, not just the last decade).

I think the prevailing popular realization is that both the Democrat and Republican parties are parties of the wealthy capital class and, importantly, that the wealthy capital class majorly overlaps with an unethical and violently extremist "Epstein" class.

Progressive candidates begrudgingly run under the Democrat banner while Libertarian candidates begrudgingly run under the Republican banner, but there is now a single "liberal"(read "change") issue on the minds of the American electorate across both parties: Will the candidate bring the "Epstein" class to sufficient justice?

I think this single issue will override voting axes for a decade, beyond even questions about going to war or annexing another country.

I don't think "liberalism" is a charade per se, I just think Americans are facing so many existential political problems that they have to prioritize and I'd wager they will prioritize voting for someone who will force Trump's cadre of pedophiles to trial even if that someone is also annexing Cuba.

Collapsing people's multidimensional political beliefs onto a single line hides a lot of the data. As long as "conservative" and "liberal" group membership directs votes, the meaning of the terms are actively warped and shifted.

imagine defending modern liberalism in big 26.

Uh huh. 😒

the creation of a new US State of Cuba.

Most certainly not. That would add around 10 million poor possible migrants to the economy overnight. Neither the right or the left would get behind this. A territory, maybe. But not a state.

If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding!

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

Can't we make a nato with all those countries, to protect against america? if we all threaten to attack america together we can withhold them, you know diplomacy over force

If you knew why and how nato was formed you wont be asking this.

He's been saying that for weeks

Will he block the Gulf of Mexico?

Liar lies, hater hates. "news"

Aaaw poor snowflake. Do the facts hurt your feel-feels? 😭

Which facts would those be?

Why repeat yourself 😰😰

Don't clic , just lies ahead

Aaaw poor snowflake. Do the facts hurt your feel-feels? 😭

😂 😂😂 👌 , nope