42-yr-old pedestrian in crosswalk almost hit by car. He kicks the car. The driver pulls out a gun and shoots the pedestrian.
5d 18h ago by feddit.uk/u/Wudi in fuckcars from chicago.suntimes.com
The rest of the world doesn't live like this.
guns aren't common glovebox item in most places
guns aren't common glovebox item in CIVILIZED SOCIETIES
America is a shithole full of assholes and bullet holes
its either strapped thier waist or on the dash.
Guns skittering across the dash like m&ms looking for the air vent
No joke, heard a story of a guy that had a gun stolen from is car. Lamenting it because it was a expensive piece with modifications to is appearance that he liked. When asked what happened, he left it on the fucking dashboard in plain view. Didn't even attempt to hide it at the least. Just out there for all to see. I like firearms as a preface, I think they're neat and do serve some purposes but, the careless and frivolous nature of how we consider them in the USA is one of the reasons gun violence is so high.
On the bright side, if your car ever gets stolen, cops will be really invested in finding it if you tell them your gun was under the seat. Cops generally don’t care about stolen vehicles. They tend to take an “eh, it’s probably already in a chop shop” approach. But if you tell them your gun was in the car, they’re suddenly a lot more invested in finding it.
Of course, because they can recover the vehicle and say they didn't find any firearms as they take them for themselves.
A lot the world does, however, have to live with the constant threat of being bombed by our military or a military that our taxes fund.
Almost like the violence we export to other countries comes back home to our own culture and society.
I know what will help! More guns!
Have you considered… more ballrooms?
Give more money to the wealthy, that always helps with problems!
I pray for nukes
Nah, we Germans would've run him over.
I know a few Dutch drivers who would peobably run over a guy if the guy was the one actually violating the rules then sue the guys family too lol
Neither do most Americans. Or most Chicagoans.
Jfc. That's... something else. Interesting but fucked up.
it is not just the guns perse but the low wages and nothing to do. We are bored to the core in the core... oh golly life is such a bore
The problem I see is Americans don't care if people are getting shot.
America is such a shithole.
Absolutely. Lost my job recently and started having to drive again and let me tell you every single driver is some form of psychotic. It’s insane.
Including you?
Sure. You have to be insane to get behind a wheel. I am insane for doing it.
Fair
Introspection is a gift, not a gotcha.
I like that
Every. Single. One.
Especially me. I hate doing it so much. I don’t drive like a psycho but I’m certainly unwell.
Lol. We are rich enough to leave, but doing so would subject us to a reduced standard of living. Europe seems great, but their high population density is what drove them to colonize America in the first place.
If the pedestrian had a gun, this never would have happened.
Or if they had a car!
Stupid gunless pedestrians who don't bring a car when walking...
Don't bring a ped to a car fight... with guns.
The pedestrian here was really at a disadvantage if you think about it.
in imperial dum dum yankkkeeland the pedestrian is a 2nd class citizen. In the core we serve and work for the pdfiles and the 4 legged gasoline guzzlers. We live our lives in the cracks and shaddows of stooopids.
Damn pdfs
"If my car failed to kill them my gun will!"
Maybe even an armored car.
whats the difference?
Idk, the crosswalk would be still unarmed - needs some movement-sensor gun turrets.
Imagine that there IS indeed a company that caters to such needs
Note to Aperature Marketing:
This was a triumph!
Idk, those turrets would actually encourage travelling faster because their reaction time is so slow and easy to run over due to high centre mass.
I'm 75% sure that this is sarcastic and the upvoters believe this is sarcastic.
I would say it's "tongue in cheek". Sarcasm, irony, absurdity of reality, all packaged together.
Yep, you’re correct!
crossing flag < crossing brick < crossing glock
I just wish they would do it somewhere more appropriate like in a school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
As the pedestrian began walking away, the gunman, wearing a black hat and a black and white striped jumpsuit, parked on Canal Street and began following the 42-year-old before pulling out a handgun and shooting him in the left leg, police said.
He'd best get used to wearing that kind of clothing for a while.
The Hamburgler?
Or a referee.
Just add a comically oversized sack with a $$ sign on the side, and a mask of zorro and he can audition for the role of bank robber in a pink panther cartoon.
Thats just how Americans say “Hello!”
Kicking or hitting a car that’s almost run you over is a hard instinct to stop. Like, I don’t bang on them or anything in anger, but just the instinct to fling out an arm or a leg to shove it back is intense if you’ve never been caught unaware by it. Escalating to shooting over that is nuts, also kind of nuts that he was in an actual car and not an emotional support truck, which is the kind of vehicle I usually expect the terminally carbrained to drive.
Whatever happened to a good ol' "I'm walking here!" Said with a strong Brooklyn accent.
He did bang on the car as well, though.
Why can I hear this in my head, is it a movie reference 😂 I can hear it so clearly lol
It is said by Dustin Hoffman's character, Rico, in the 1969 movie "Midnight Cowboy."
Definitely. There are at least 5 or 6 cars in my city that have a pretty good scratch from my ring. I know it's just a matter of time before that goes wrong and I get a finger torn off in the most painful way possible, but goddamn if it isn't satisfying.
There are at least 5 or 6 cars in my city that have a pretty good scratch from my ring.
if this happened to you 5 or 6 times in your lifetime, you either live in some pretty absurd place, or you need to rethink your habit of jumping in front of the incoming cars.
Or they just use the crosswalk in an average US city somewhat regularly
there's a crosswalk near me that has a 50% historical chance of the approaching driver ignoring the no right on red. of that 50%, roughly 25% are close enough to me that I would say I am in danger and I can reach the vehicle.
I could absolutely have avoided some of those if I just waited for the car to blow the stop line, but I don't, because I don't want to live my life in fear, it's their fucking obligation to stop and not maim me, and then if I hesitate to walk out that just means it'll confuse other drivers who stopped for me but then see me not going and take the opportunity to blow the stop anyways as soon as I start walking. I'm fucked either way.
close enough to me that I would say I am in danger
but I don’t, because I don’t want to live my life in fear, it’s their fucking obligation to stop and not maim me
you don't want to live your life in fear, so you will rather subject yourself to danger of being maimed? that is interesting strategy. who cares whose obligation it is when it is you who is going to be injured or worse?
Me, motherfucker. I FUCKING CARE.
it was rhetorical question, motherfucker. when you are dead, it doesn't matter whose fault it was or if they should have stopped, you are still dead. ANd ThAT CAPslocK dIDN"T REalLy HelP!
learn to read jfc it's not a matter of whose fault is it, it's that there is no safe way to cross anyway because drivers are fucking stupid
then if I hesitate to walk out that just means it’ll confuse other drivers who stopped for me but then see me not going and take the opportunity to blow the stop anyways as soon as I start walking. I’m fucked either way.
You obviously never lived in a city.
i am living in city my whole life. i was taught not to jump in front of incoming cars at the age of ~4 and so i don't have regular experience of being almost hit and maimed, but i will keep jumping in front of incoming cars because i "refuse to live in fear"
this might help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jCpBH5zehI
Next up: driver sues the family for damages to the bullet.
In Europe a few years ago a driver sued the estate of the cyclist he killed for the damages to his BMW.
In Ontario, driver sues family of person he killed for the trauma.
https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/killing-cyclist-and-then-suing-family/
It WOULD be a BMW driver.
Oh my fucking gawd.... I fucking hate this country
Enjoy your attempted murder charge, asshole.
Ianal but if he shot at him below the waist, he’d likely not get attempted murder. Assault/deadly weapon and whatever charges for discharging a weapon and road raging.
Okay but why is it relevant that you anal?
Not true, you might be surprised to learn, but you have arteries down there.
Still might be AWDW instead though, but because (if) the prosecutor feels they're more likely to get a conviction that way, where if they overcharge with Attempted Homicide the guy may actually end up walking free.
You're not a lawyer so your opinion doesn't matter. How do you know where he was aiming?
By reading the article.
No you didn't. The article says where he shot him, not where he aimed. Those are not the same thing. You also conveniently ignored this part.
The pedestrian then kicked the Chevrolet, and the driver jumped out of the car, saying he was “going to kill him,” the police reports stated.
This was attempted murder. Dude just has shitty aim.
He also followed him for some time, which would make it hard to state this was not premeditated and a moment of passion.
People of Lemmy are just like reddit and want to be experts on all the things they don't know about.
Yeah! At least the law still works for the poor fuckers.
Yes, I would feel totally safe in a country where every idiot can get weapons.
In Florida you don't even have to prove to the state you can safely handle a gun to have a concealed weapon on you
You know in this particular situation I don't think the car was the main problem.
Yeah, it could be because of our car culture, not the cars themselves. Or maybe it's just good old fashioned lack of mental healthcare.
People spend SO much money on their damn cars, and often treat them both like a second home and a part of their personality.
Well the car didn't murder the guy
glad I live in Canada where if I do this, when somebody nearly murders me in a crosswalk after they blow the stop line on a red light, that the worst that'll happen is they'll try to get me to come back into traffic and fight them, but they'll be too pussy to pull over and park and come over to me.
Aussie here and yeah, someone here nearly hits a pedestrian and it'll be pedestrian: throws hands up in wtf gesture, shakes head and the driver will either be like fuck I'm so sorry or return the same gesture and perhaps swear out the window as they pass.
Ah, the privilege of not having to do a double death dodge in one interaction. If they don't get ya with the car they don't get a second chance here!
People from Indiana are constantly fucking things up in Chicago.
Sorry bout that neighbor.
at least he shot him in the leg i guess... thats were we are at hahaha
Not a car issue... It's a "Murica ma Gunz ar holy" issue.
almost hit by car in a crosswalk. kinda a car issue to.
Nah. It was absolutely an asshole problem. Yes, a car was involved, but the problem was the human driver.
It'd be different if it were a self driving car. It would be like if you used a lawnmower to mow your lawn, ran over a beehive, and tgen blamed the lawnmower for getting attacked by bees. Or blamed the gun itself for the pedestrian getting shot.
So, you are that type of person that blames the Hammer for hitting the thumb not the nail...
Still a car issue.
I don't think so more a "armed Nutjob IN a car" problem.
both at face value if you subscribe to the idea that this has to be the way it is... people around the world don't have our issues. Oh the land of milk and honey sprinkled with dummy. This type of stuff happens too often.... it is like apart of our culture. Of cource venture capital and the tech bro have sum GREAT solutions.
it's impossible not to call it a car issue. cars function as weapons against pedestrians, that's why car murders are illegal but almost never carry the same sentence as shooting someone despite sometimes being more lethal than a handgun.
also calling gun violence an American phenomenon is a European's way to soothe their own egos despite Germany frequently having lynchings by gun caused by Nazi cops. there's a reason why BLM didn't remain contained to USA and sparked massive uprisings in Europe
Excuse me, what? "... Germany frequently having lynchings by gun caused by Nazi cops..." where did you get that bullshit from? Cletus, you fell for a lie!
The car becomes a kind of psychological armour that can disinhibit normal social behaviour.
Behind the wheel, people often express emotions they would never display in face-to-face interactions. This disconnect between normal personality and driving behaviour suggests that cars can trigger different psychological states. Understanding this can help drivers recognise when their emotions are becoming problematic and take steps to regain control.
i agree with this statement from a page i've never heard of
There's a lot truth in that. That's why more and more morons buy those 2.5 ton space wasters of US production or of US style. Oh, can anyone tell me what's the sports characteristica in Sport Utility Vehicle?
I too have this policy. If I'm close enough to hit your car when you go by you deserve it. Might need to start everyday carrying though - I'll just shoot the cars instead. Much safer.
I'll just shoot the cars instead. Much safer
And way more freedom-inducing endorphins
lol of course indiana plates
Does this mean something in Chicago land?
It's probably a lot of confirmation bias, but it feels like (and it is a running joke) cars in Chicago with Indiana plates typically drive like maniacs.
A lot of CPD live just over the state line.
Indiana also has very lax gun laws. Chicago gets a lot of shit over gun violence, but many of those guns come from Indiana.
"If ICE can do it why can't I?"......that guy probably.
America. Where I have to carry a gun in anticipation of all the bruised ego adult children carrying guns
Well see, you’re not supposed to kick the car. You’re supposed to say “HEY! I’m walking heeyah!”
Arm the pedestrians.
yup, if the pedestrian had a gun as well, there'd be no problem /s
How very American
Yep, American problems require American solutions.
Weird way to say "murder."
*Attempted
The 42-year-old man, who could not be reached immediately by the Sun-Times, was shot once in the left leg and was taken to Stroger Hospital where he was in good condition, officials said.
Carry a few used AA batteries instead and throw them at the back window after they’ve passed. That way you have time to get away.
Why AA batteries specifically? I have not tried it but they seem soft.
I would prefer D cells.
Let's go Phillies?
yeah, i think large ball berings would be more usefull and less annoying in your pocket
Ninja rocks aka aluminum oxide ceramic.
In California, since 2003, ninja rocks have been explicitly listed as burglary tools, and their possession with intent to burglarize is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in county jail and/or a fine of up to $1000
Lol
Oh that makes sense, any mineral harder than glass will do probably. Even hardened steel. Maybe a drill bit, a tap, a mill, a metal file?
probably because they are pretty dense objects, decent weight in a small package
200g weights, they're used for calibrating measuring instruments. Fits in the palm of your hand, weighs about a half pound. I think 1 will run you like 8 bucks, and you don't have to waste a battery.
Dead AAs don’t cost anything. They are otherwise headed to recycling or a dump. And they fit nicely in you pocket most of the time.
Broken spark plug ceramic works even better and will shatter tempered glass, but if cops catch you with it they might know what it’s for. The batteries are plausible pocket stuff.
Yeah cops will definitely recognize ninja rocks, I'm just not sure a double A will carry enough weight to break a car window.
Ahhhhh! My epilepsy!
So... 2 weapons.
So "attempted murder" because he's bad at both driving and shooting.
That person shouldn't have a gun or a car...
yet they are a product and a victim of our antisocial infrastructure. The criminal and the victum are one in the same. Justice should be served but the enviroment still plays a part.
Narr, fuck guns.
smart people with guns are a danger to dictators. The infrastructor is our number one enemy. It produces anti-social behavior.
Dictators can get taken out Caesar style. It's easy and you don't need guns. Would make it easier, but not needed. Just need masses of people. The infrastructure is only a problem because people in power refuse to listen to reason. Once they are removed (by force), the infrastructure will improve.
I personally use my car keys to scrape any car that gets in arms reach while i'm crossing a crosswalk
Not defending the shooter, he definitely had a severe over reaction to the situation. But dude had no fucking survival instincts. Why would you kick the 2 ton box of metal, powered by explosions and driven by someone who clearly doesn't care about your safety? In the land driveby shootings no less.
Why would you almost hit a pedestrian?
I'd actually recommend you don't.
People might get mad at me for saying this but I think we should upgrade it from a recommendation to a strictly enforced obligation
You can't do anything anymore. It's political correctness gone mad.
Is this really the world you leftist nuts want????
Because the dude didn't live a life of constant fear. He was a human being that almost got badly injured on a crosswalk, so he showed unregulated emotion, probably not with the intend of starting a fight for life or death, most probably because he did not think every other person is a psychopathic maniac.
powered by explosions
combustion [/pedantic mode]
Ehh, combustion is just slow explosions.
humans stuck together against apex predators to get to the point were we are today. I say we bring back the T-rex rarhhhh... We need apex predators or we get bored and kill ourselves
I see what you're going for, but there are a couple things;
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The shooter shouldn't have had a gun or the license to drive. If his mental state was that hair-trigger it's a travesty that this combination of elements was allowed to happen.
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What other response would have been appropriate? Are you suggesting we should just passively allow bullies to do whatever they want?
So, more or less — no. If you think the appropriate reaction to almost being hit by a car is to throw your hands up and run away screaming, that's the appropriate action for you. Not everyone is going to respond the same way, and being mad/lashing out about almost being critically injured is a perfectly reasonable response.
Well, choosing not to kick cars that belong to clearly dangerous people has never gotten me shot.
Honestly, I think choosing to move on is absolutely the best course of action. Kicking the car in some act of vengeance, or expression of (even justified) anger isn't going to make things better but it might make things worse. That bullet could've hit anyone in the vicinity, and even if dude hadn't pulled a gun, the car he was driving is just as deadly and has plenty of potential for collateral damage.
Like I agree with you that the shooter definitely shouldn't be driving with that mental state of his, but just because he's in the wrong doesn't make it right to escalate things such that everyone around you is in danger too.
escalate things such that everyone around you is in danger too.
No — there's no escalation past the guy almost hitting someone with his car. That is the point of escalation. If anything, kicking the car is a deescalation — because escalation would mean trying to kill the driver. Whether that's shooting them, beating them to death, whatever. Because that is literally the level they were brought to by the driver/ shooter.
You're essentially victim blaming by trying to suggest that the guy who kicked the car contributed to the escalation.
That being said, of course the best course of action is to leave. Not everyone is ok with almost dying and not giving the person who did it a piece of your mind. Unfortunately it played out like it did.
I mean, his death is not his own fault, and I'm not trying to say otherwise. This was murder, plain and simple. But kicking the car was still stupid, pointless and dangerous. Encouraging other people to follow this guy's example is pointless, stupid, and dangerous.
Encouraging other people to follow this guy's example is pointless, stupid, and dangerous.
Absolutely not. If I were to extrapolate from your logic and follow it I'd never go outside because clearly the intelligent and safe thing to do is just never go outside.
Seriously, you are just wrong here. There will never be a world where kicking someone's car after they almost hit you with it warrants being shot. It should not even occur to you to be something you can't do, it is that far below the point the driver/shooter had already brought it to. To call it escalation means that you either don't understand the meaning of the word or have alterior motives for dying on this hill.
This was murder
If you read the article you'd know that nobody died...