We're stuck with stupid
6d 14h ago by lemmy.world/u/HappySkullsplitter in politicalmemes
Has someone explained to them that "No Kings" isn't an anti-monarchy movement?
Multiple times. They're either being purposely obtuse, or genuinely don't get it.
I'm guessing the latter.
Both. The people in power understand it and are lying to the base so they genuinely dont get it.
There is a large segment of the population that wants a King to rule them. It's what makes sense to their brain, so they project.
I'm stupid, so I need a smart guy to tell me what to do. Trump is smart, he says so, and he wouldn't lie.
They just need to keep the propaganda machine running. It doesn't have to make sense for critical thinkers, as those are not the audience they want.
Not only this but their dear leader keeps commenting on it like it’s literal. He’s actually said something to the effect of ‘They call me a king, idk, I don’t think I’m a king’.
I believe it’s all the reasons you listed, it’s combination idiocy and mixed with ‘pwn the liburuls’.
Can’t apply reason where there isn’t any to start with, I always say.
do you mean like it's about preventing dictators from gaining power?
I kinda think this is a valid point.
Firstly, "No Kings" was always a bit of a piss-weak euphemism. It clearly means No Dictators, but that's too strong language for dems and casts uncomfortably truthful light on the system they want to be in charge of.
Secondly, don't give a standing ovation to an unelected monarch. Just don't. He uttered the words "checks and balances". So what? We have literal concentration camps and no rule of law. A child rapist and a pack of drunk nazis openly loot the public purse. We're way past checks and balances.
This is yet another example of the dems failing to understand the political moment.
Pretty sure the folks behind it are Gen-X calling back to Schoolhouse Rock:
https://youtu.be/WvOZs3g3qIo
Pretty much everyone of a certain age grew up with this.
I have heard local organizers expressing frustration at the firm grip of democratic party insiders on messaging, goals and other decision making.
The general populace doesn't understand the political moment so idk why youre complaining about the minority party they didn't bother giving any power to.
He has no real power
He has very little formal power, just wealth, status, connections, titles, fame, ceremonial power, large property holdings and public funding.
His brother is one of the world's most famous child rapists, a key player in the trump-epstein trafficking ring and his dad was an outspoken racist.
The optics of dems giving a standing ovation to an unelected monarch while we suffer under authoritarian rule are not good.
lol. Imagine the democratic house just losing their shit, booing and hissing whenever a monarchy figure from another nation visits.
That would be, by definition, replublican af.
Ok that would be unwise foreign policy but based as fuck. Just yell "send us one of your elected officials". Hell, we could bar all nobility from entering our country without renouncing their title. Inconvenient as fuck, would piss off so many countries, but it would be incredibly cool
I wouldn't just bar them from entry. I would flat-out make it a capital offense for any monarch or hereditary noble to set foot in US territory. This land should be unsullied by the stench of kings. Any that dare come here should forfeit their life. I consider being a king to be a worse crime than being a serial killer.
A bunch of morons here would love that and so would Republicans because it'd be a brain dead political move.
I would oppose King-What's-His-Name being 'King of the US' just as much as I oppose trump's bullshit.
just saying, we don't have kings here, and frankly the visiting one can go back to where he came from.
The other thing is that the king of England isn't really a real king. These days, it's basically a ceremonial position more than anything and doesn't have a whole lot of real power.
UK: The monarchy is ceremonial US: The democracy is ceremonial
Make no mistake, these still aren't good people. The modern 'constitutional' monarchs have not changed from the days of their ancestors. They're quietly waiting on the sidelines, just waiting for the day that democracy stumbles. The minute there's any crisis of confidence, or both parties are hopelessly unpopular, or there's some massive outside threat? The monarch hopes to be there to swing in and reclaim full power.
The French had the right idea on how to deal with kings. Being a monarch is a crime against humanity.
The last King of England died in 1702. The Kingdom was abolished in 1707.
Also the actual literal King of the UK has less power in the UK than Trump does in the US and is very specifically not above the law like Trump is.
Ah, well, y'see technically he's got a fuckton of power, but the deal is he doesn't use it or the monarchy is fucked. He is also quite specifically above the law.
No, he is very very VERY specifically not above the law. The trial and execution of Charles I is a pretty major point in British history. Establishing the king is not above the law and parliament is sovereign.
From the wiki page on sovereign immunity: Sovereign immunity
As the Crown Proceedings Act only affected the law in respect of acts carried on by or on behalf of the British government, the monarch remains personally immune from criminal and civil actions.[45]
I've tried to find something that contradicts this but I can't.
he doesn't use it or the monarchy is fucked
That is the same as not having power.
I fundamentally disagree, but also I'm not willing to argue about it.
This is so stupid. Like people trying to call Dems the BLM party
Voters =/= political parties. Voters created the no king protest, voters created black lives matter.
Dems are parasites who act like they're involved
Most of them look like they honestly don't give a shit. I see one guy who looks enthused.
Also, "No Kings" means "The United States of America has no kings." It bears no relevance to our diplomatic relations with monarchical states.
It shows that they even missed the major point that a monarch from the country we freed ourselves from came here to address our Congress on the importance of saving the environment and keeping checks and balances in place to maintain democracy.
He either brilliantly roasted Trump, or us if we never do anything to stop Nazis and rebuild and reform our country.
Also Charles is a King in title only. Hes a tourist attraction. He has no real power.
Unlike what Trump is trying to do/become.
Fuck him too, for what it's worth.
fuck the king
"Fuck the kingsguard. Fuck the city. Fuck the king." - Sandor Clegane
Well, for America, and our siblings across the pond…
woefully unzips
U got a license for that opinion m8
Missing the class through the individuals, I see.
They literally clapped while King Charles fucking dunked on them, the conservatives I mean.
These people just believe whatever the fuck they want. I could convince them that Jesus was actually a mass murderer and they'd be all for it as long as the victims were brown.
It would work depressingly well, especially since the Manosphere has been trying to rebrand Christ as a "Warrior King"
It also has a lot to with Great Britain not supporting America in this stupid war, and actually handing out consequences to their people in the Epstein Files.
England, of all nations, has become the good guy, and America has become the bad guy. Ironic.
England, of all nations, has become the good guy
Let's not get too crazy here. TERF Island can still sink into the fucking sea, as far as I'm concerned
England is still on the bleeding edge of pushing anti-free speech/Palestine support and anti-privacy laws. Credit where it is due in not supporting Trump's war and with holding Epstein clients to at least some account including the Andrew formerly known as Prince. But "the good guys" they are not, right now.
Yeah, I only meant it in a relative sense. I don't think ANY countries can count themselves as true "good guys" these days. They all seem to be up to something nefarious.
They are supporting America in this stupid War. This should be pointed out, because allowing America to use its air bases in a war is a form of support. I would argue an extreme form of support.
Also don't be too sure about them going after their Epstein file guys. Cuz old sausage fingers Chuck here is certainly involved. If not with Epstein directly, though I doubt he isn't, he was certainly heavily involved with Jimmy Savile.
The “people” in /r/conservative are either bots or raised on leaded water.
My favorite part was when a huge part of the internet went down and suddenly, the amount of conservative posts/twitter users went silent.
Y'all are letting the other side control the narrative, don't talk about King Charles - focus on Donald trying to be a Monarch/Dictator.
They want you to have their bad faith argument so you don't talk about the actions of Trump.
It is actually very relevant to talk about the performative actions liberals take to "challenge" authoritarianism while legitimizing their own claim to power. Liberals have mostly criticized Trump for the disgraceful or embarrassing presentation of his administration, not with critiques on the fundamental immorality of hierarchal and inequal systems of power.
To present someone respectful (classy, polite, civil, etc.) as legitimate is in fact an effective way to redirect systemic criticism into individual criticism. Democrats will not discard whatever authoritarian policies Trump's admin succeeds in implementing, as they didn't from Bush or even Trump's previous admin.
Ro Khanna is looking like, “what’s the big deal here?”
Ro's like "you can give back koh-i-noor any time you Imperial prick"
It’s not stupidity, it’s malevolence.
I'd love if the UK decided on abolishing the monarchy, but also, I'm not aiming to start a regime change in a foreign country over this. Instead I'm just gonna treat him as a foreign dignitary from a terrible but powerful family
I think we should make it a capital offense for any monarch to set foot on US soil. Literally any time a monarch dares to set foot on US soil? Straight to the guillotine.
It's No KingS. We're allowed one
Is this meant to argue that it isn't a sign of disingenuous values for "anti-authoritarians" to recognize and legitimise a literal monarchy (no matter how "ceremonial" it is)? Democrats are very much not against dictatorial rule, they've been complicit in its enforcement all over the world and have participated in its construction in the US (even if you want to think this is something new).
Fun fact: in my Monarchical country the very little I've seen of the "no kings" movement was translated to "no tyrants" or something like this.
Unclear if it's official or if there's a body to decide what's official anyway.
And Republicans were the guys assassinating kings
there where protests before his coronation, one dude was arrested for holding a sign as well. No one in a dck suit though from memory, apart from him of course ;)
anyway, fuck that guy as well.
British Republic.
Initially they said "US is not UK, it has no kings". It implies "UK is not US, it has kings".
Perhaps it has to do with the non-sovereignty??
We should make it a capital offense for a monarch or inherited noble of any kind to set foot in the US. Being a monarch of any kind is a crime against humanity. I don't care how "constitutional" a monarch is. You're still talking about a monster that dares to claim power over others simply by right of birth.
We should still be open to diplomatic relations with monarchies. I'm willing to deal with diplomats, but this land should be unsullied by the rot of kings. The US really should be one of the most anti-monarchist nations on Earth. In fact, whenever I see one of my fellow citizens fawning over British royalty I want to call them a traitor to the Republic and everything the nation is supposed to stand for. Kings and Queens are not good people. Even the Constitutional ones are mincing freaks quietly waiting on the political sidelines, hoping for the day when democracy trips up and they can reclaim full power. Do you not think that deep in his heart, Chuck wishes he could be an absolute monarch just like his ancestors? He absolutely does. They all do. And that's why they all should be forced to either give up their crowns or give up their heads.
It should be a capital offense for any monarch or noble to set foot on US territory. Simply being a monarch on US soil should be enough to get your head cut off. Honestly, monarchs deserve far worse.
Does your country simply want to have someone that fills the role of a king or queen? Fine. Hold an election and elect a non-hereditary, ceremonial king. That's perfectly acceptable. But actual hereditary monarchs? They all deserve to have their head in a basket. Being a monarch is a crime against humanity. I consider crazed ax murderers to be better people than kings.
A king is nothing more than the descendant of a serial killer that killed so many people he was able to claim total power.
Are you okay?
No.
Yeah i feel that. Id answer the same.
While I'm personally against the monarchy, we're all descendants of questionable people, at some point. For a few hundred years the Royals have been born into it. Some have maintained a vague sense of duty and decency, others have been self-absorbed idiots. I don't think being anything your born into is a crime, as such. I actually think Elizabeth II did a decent 'job' and Charles likewise. I just think the entire institution should be abolished.
Damn, r/conservative accidentally making a valid point is a trippy thing.
It's kind of like if the neighbor's tragically inbred showdog suddenly barked every note of the musical Cats without a single error.
You're cooked if you think this is a good point
Their reasoning is fucked, of course, but royalty is by definition one of the least democratic remnants of the past, so by in any way endorsing or even aknowledging the legitimacy of a sitting monarch, the so-called Democratic party go against the very core of what they pretend to believe in.
Sometimes awful people arrive at correct conclusions for horrible or at least stupid reasons.
The likes of Perjury Greene, Candace Owen and Tucker Carlson opposing the Israeli apartheid regime out of ACTUAL antisemitism is one such case and this is another.
The no kings protests were for America, their disagreement was a king ruling over them. A foreign king was never relevant and still isnt relevant. So this meme needs to completely miss the point of the protests to land. That being said I still laughed cause its funny.