Utter trash newspaper
7d 22h ago by discuss.online/u/VetOfTheSeas in fuckcars from discuss.online
"White Female Mamdani"?
Seattle mayor Katie Wilson added a BUS LANE.
Daily Mail is pure garbage.
They tried their damnedest, but somehow they still make the mayor sound based as hell.
In one line I got:
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She's comparable to current rockstar mayor
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She fixed bus service
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She hersekf uses bus service
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She noticed a problem and fixed it
- She likely could afford a car since she has a mayor's salary, but wisely chooses to ride the bus because of its many benefits to society
She likely could afford a car since she has a mayor’s salary
Definitely couldn't before though! Hence why her parents help her cover childcare expenses.
Right, good article, she couldn't then but can now, yet she chooses not to in order to help the lives of regular people
Impeach her right now! The job of government officials is to enrich themselves at everybody else's expense! Heresy!
If you've been to downtown Seattle you know why people don't drive there.
Traffic? The worst intersections I've seen in the country? The fact that when you get there parking for an hour often costs more than a day pass for the train and bus?
Easy solution: just drive toward Denny & Stewart then get out of your car. By the time you're back from whatever you were doing there you may be able to move forward a bit. Free parking!
I'm pretty sure that's how people use the I5 in Seattle.
There is no "the I-5" north of California.
I don't know why you'd think that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5
I was talking about calling it "the I-5". That's a California thing. Washingtonians and Oregonians call it "I-5".
Oh I've heard both despite having never been to California, but I guess I do talk to a fair number of people who moved up here from there
I know you have heard it. You just haven't heard it from locals.
To give more history about this route, there is a annual "race the 8! event scheduled by seattle urbanists where people start off on the worst part of its route and do increasingly outlandish activities on foot while still beating it to its designations. Folks have beat it juggling, walking backwards, dancing, etc. Katie and her kids participated before she was the mayor, and you guessed it, beat it.
This route serves an intensely dense part of the city and has been failing people for years. The city/county have been making piddly, empty changes for nearly a decade that fixed nothing, like adding a 1 block bus lane. Yup, one block only.
The bus is regularly 30-40 minutes late, which makes using it miserable and unreliable. The reason its route is terrible is that there is a highway onramp thats right there near Amazon HQ. So for years and years people commuting in and out of the city have been prioritized over people who live in it, and no previous mayor had the stones to push back and fix it for actual residents.
It is not just prioritising car commuters from outside vs locals, it is simply an extremely wasteful use of limited traffic capacity. The bus, not clogged down in traffic, has a way higher capacity than probably even two full car lanes at the highest performance. A bus lane is the only rational thing there. If that makes the highway off ramp redundant because there is no capacity for cars left to justify it, simply tear it down. It is fake capacity anyway if the traffic cannot be supported further down the road and it would even benefit car drivers, as it would remove a clogging point and free up capacity on the highway.
I agree with everything you say until the end. It's disingenuous to say that residents do not take the highway. It runs through the middle of the city! We all take the damn highway.
Ehh, way more residents take or would take that bus then would use that on ramp. Its mainly an ingress point to the freeway for people who commute.
The ramp isnt even closing, its just being sanely re-routed to not cause such a clusterfuck.
That particular on-ramp, yes. I'd rather just drive south (I live to the south) a little bit and take an easier one. But still, anyone who drives here uses I-5 all the time.
That ramp really does need to be rerouted. It makes that entire area undrivable.
Right? Like the worst thing they could say is that she.... Fixed the public bus system so it actually functions on time instead of being inconsistent? Like, I don't get how these people think that's such a bad thing.
Cause they had an extra lane for their private vehicle and they feel like a service their taxes paid for has been robbed from them to serve people "that haven't worked hard enough for it." They worked hard to buy and pay for their car and they feel upset if their ability to use their private vehicle on public infrastructure has been diminished. Despite the fact that cars have been given the vast majority of space and funding for decades. There is also nothing stopping them from using the improved bus service except their preconception that "its for the poors."
Oh I know their logic. I just don't get their logic cause it's fucking dumb.
The Daily Heil is super reliable, let’s put it like that.
That’s my mayor! On the campaign trail, she raced the eight (the bus she is adding a lane for) by walking while holding her child, and beat the bus to the end of its route. The bus lane is very needed, and she is cool as hell for delivering on her campaign promises.
If you can best a bus in a footrace, that bus route needs to be improved. As simple as that.
My rule of thumb is: taking a cycle should be slower than bus (when starting at the same time) but the waiting time should not make the bus slower.
Edited: wording
With all the stops, cycling is usually faster unless the route is uphill or you really don't have a lot of stops and probably need more.
How far apart are you stops? It'll they are too close, I can see this happen. ~5 minute walking?
Bus routes are not always straight, that may also contribute. But yeah, I think stops are 5–7 minutes by foot apart here
Maybe I'm just a dumbass, but I think your rule of thumb is busted?
X should be slower than A, but should not be faster than A + B.
Isn't slower the same as "not faster"? I think it should be slower than A, but faster than A + B. So between A and A + B.
Or "the bus should be faster if it's already here, but cycling should be faster if you'd have to wait for the bus". I think that's what you were going for.
Okay, I'm not the only one who was confused there for a sec
Yeah, almost. Cycling shouldn't be much faster than having to wait. If it is, either the route has too many stops or a low frequency.
My average cycle speed at around 10 kmph (minimal effort, no hills, some red lights) and if a bus can't match this...
Give it better signalling, dedicated lanes to skip traffic, etc.
My 'can't hold attention long enough to read all the words' brain auto-converted it to
My rule of thumb is: taking a cycle should be slower than bus but should not be slower than waiting time + the ride.
which must be what they meant.
My rule of thumb is that within a city, a bus (other than BRT) is likely roughly the same speed as a bike, assuming good bike routes.
If the bikes are stopping regularly because of red lights, that will obviously change.
Its a good rule of thumb. I ride an hour in to work (on an e-scooter) because it is faster than that bus during rush hour. Outside of rush hour though, the bus beats me every time. It'd be cool if I could become mayor to add a bus lane for that route. And all the other routes that need it tbh.
if a bicycle is slower than a bus, then it is definitely slower than waiting+taking a bus
Think you got yourself mixed around there.
no?
counterpoint: cycling takes 10 minutes, bus takes 5 minutes, at this point cycling is slower than the bus. waiting for the bus takes 8 minutes, now cycling is faster than waiting + ride time
that makes sense and now that i reread it idk what i was thinking. sounds like a few people were confused though loll
Bike with parking can and often should be faster start to destination than walking+bus+walking at least compared to city buses, it’s different with buses who are allowed to go faster than 50 km/h
Some cities have abysmal frequencies. So you would be waiting for 20 minutes or more
I have done similar in my city (sans baby). I had like a 3 mile commute and while usually the bus would get a ahead of me before I got to work I had a thing where if I got to 2 miles in im not taking the bus for the last mile. That situation was not uncommon. I would stop and look behind so if it was close to two miles and I saw it I might still take it.
I have done something similar on Oxford Street.
I suspect this is not the same.
It was quite a popular race!
https://seattletransitblog.com/2025/07/12/race-the-l8/
As someone commuting to the city from the Eastside (now taking the train every day), I was unfamiliar with the sad state of the 8 line before this post.
There's a dedicated website: https://fixthel8.com/
I learned from that site that all-girl punk band Tacocat wrote a song called F. U. #8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRFlROqgFwo
Tacocat were great, but I'm pretty sure one of them is a dude. Sad the band is on indefinite hiatus last I heard.
Whoops... I saw a grainy promo photo and listened to the song and jumped to conclusions. Thanks for the correction!
Hell yeah.
We have a dedicated lane for our streetcar line here in KC and it is glorious.
My mayor too! She was the first politician that I canvassed for. I had a blast.
My biggest problem with busses is that they aren't trolleys or trains. She should consider replacing the bus with trolleys and/or trains.
The GOP’s worst insult was comparing her to the coolest mayor in recent memory. over a bus lane.
lol
she's clearly way cooler than Mandani
Well, Seattle has a more temperate climate than New York City
And I don’t know if it’s possible to add more bus lanes to NYC
Wait, she’s a jazz musician?
It's just a tactic used to associate politicians on the left in a negative way. The article isn't for you. It's for the Fox News boomers.
I do think that its not working nearly well as it use to in the past. But it's just the new "AoC" that they have programmed their audience into hating.
But, it's really hard to hate Mamdani. Which is why they've mostly tried to just stop talking about him in most cases.
Isn’t Mamdani doing extremely well as mayor?
So isn’t this a compliment?
Yes. But the right has basically stopped covering him since he met with Trump and tamed him with charisma.
So, they basically just bring him up to mean "communist that is going to destroy your city" because that's where they left it. If they don't cover him as actual governor mayor then they can keep pretending he's bad.
Pedantry warning
Mamdani is mayor (city level), not governor (state level).
Thanks. My brain definitely decides to reverse those often. Fixed it.
Only for people in reality. For people living in the right-wing corporate propaganda sphere, this is a sick burn.
The only thing I learned from that headline is that The Daily Mail is racist trash.
Viscount Rothermere
Had to look up if that's someone's name or what. It's Harold Hamsworth, owner and founder of the Daily Mail and unapologetic racist, elitist, nazi piece of shit.
It's crazy to me that people like this were still allowed to own newspapers after the war. You don't have to put them against the wall, but you can at least take away their power.
If they took it away from him that would be egregious censorship. If the Morning Star can publish, so can the Daily Heil.
Congratulations on being one of today's lucky 10,000!
She used to be the president of the Seattle transit riders union! It is very on brand for her to improve transit, and likely part of the reason she was voted in.
Let me get my daily fail headline translator out real quick:
"Came under fire" == "somebody tweeted"
"Fury" == "a bot tweeted"
"Outrage" == "one of our staff tweeted"
"Slammed" == "somebody liked our tweet"
"Takes away lane of road from motorists" is a wild way to say "Created a bus lane". These people need help.
The only people who ride the bus are people I hate with wide eyed, red-faced, frothing rage.
Whoa, whoa. Chill. It's just a bus.
Why are you screaming like hell, buddy?
I'm sorry, that's just my instinctive response to the b-word.
I hope this is a description of the inner machinizations of the outraged crowd in question.. rather than you being the example.
Gets elected to mayor, fixes the bug, resigns.
"White female mamdani" is just fucking insane 💀 Also seattle is extremely woke compared to the rest of the us so good luck creating backlash. Its gonna be all the people from several states away who have nothing to do with it that complain. Same thing with NY, a lot of the people saying how "new york will fall" were from texas and whatever.
Also seattle is extremely woke
It's a satrap of the Boeing/Amazon Imperium with all the existential horror that implies.
Case in point, Seattle hosts no less than five Superfund Sites for toxic waste cleanup. You cannot fish in several of it's major waterways due to the accumulated contamination.
It was a major perpetrator of Red Lining, creating enormous ghettos that suffer from neglect and hyper-policing to this day.
But we don't have anyone in the City Council screaming the N-word during campaign events or promising to deport 100M people if elected to higher office, so it gets the reputation of Woke by comparison.
Same thing with NY, a lot of the people saying how “new york will fall” were from texas and whatever.
Corpus Christi is on the verge of losing water pressure across the entire municipality, because the city administration looted the funds for desalination facilities too aggressively.
That's just the tip of the iceberg on Texas politics right now.
But sure, they've made a cottage industry of heckling the other major economic heavyweights in the country.
The "compared to the rest of the us" carried a lot of weight in my argument and you left that out in quoting me but other than that yeah i agree.
they had to emphasize she is white and a female, they dont consider her human. Mamdani has defintely got the dnc scared to the point they had to reveal thier true colors as racists and islamophobc like the gop they are.
Mamdani had a sex & race change? Fair enough.
No silly, this is just his crime fighting alter ego
Daily Mail is GOP propaganda.
They had a bit of a pro Nazi thing going on in the run up to WW2...and other times of courss.
Well, it's a UK publication, so I'm not sure that "GOP propaganda" is accurate.
They are, however, straight up fascist, so it does often align
Wait, REALLY? Can you point me exactly in what part of that title can we see it being GOP propaganda?
/s
Meanwhile Doug Ford and Ken Sim killing bike lanes to shave 30 seconds off theor personal commutes.
More like add 2 minutes due to increased congestion and lack of alternatives. All the studies done showed that the bike lanes actually improved travel times in most cases.
Yeah, true. Turns out that bike lanes can move more people in urban environments, and forcing bikes into car lanes will slow everyone down. WHO WOULDA THUNK
forcing bikes into car lanes
Maybe some. But also many former bikes become cars, which is what really adds to congestion.
But that would require thinking a little more than only about themselves. They are never part of the traffic, they're special, everyone else are getting in their way.
‘Everyone else are’ seems to be correct as it’s a plural, but ‘everyone else is’ sounds better.
Any English teachers around to ask which is correct? The older I get, the less I seem to understand my own language.
"is" does sound better, but English isn't my native language, so i cant really comment which is actually grammatically correct.
Your English is exceptional if it’s your second language.
Thank you.
In the UK you would use "are", in the US you'd use "is".
AS NJB put it, bike lanes are car infrastructure. People like Doug Ford is just maximising suffering, considering how many of his policies is just to make Toronto worse, it could actually be the real goal.
I'm not versed into English poetry, but mysogyny and racism put asside, can someone tell me is it suppose to be a well written sentence or as ugly as I feel this is ?
This is as ugly as you feel it is. Dumb people only read the headline, so newspapers written for dumb people try to jam all the points they want to make in the article into the headline.
try to jam all the points they want to make in the article into the headline.
the specific wording of specific headline aside, i like it far more than "you will never believe what this politician did!!!!!"
you SHOULD be able to tell what the article is about from the headline and only click for details if you are interested.
The headline should contain what the article is about, but details and interpretation are what the rest of the article is there for.
A better headline for the OOP news article would be "Controversy over new bus lane" or if you really want the mayor in the headline: "Mayor sparks controversy over new bus lane"
Yeah the whole sentence sucks. I am convinced it's meant to have people think "what the fuck are they even talking about?" and click.
Daily Mail writes at the level of it's audience, and this is a Facebook Rant tier piece of journalism.
That’s how English headlines are written. American ones are even more awkwardly terse.
I can't understand a single word of this from "who has never owned a car".
Mamdani is living rent free in those dipshits head. What really hurts them is that its working.
I get why they're mad. They never expected a mayor would do what she campaigned on doing.
Daily Hate doing its thing with "White Female Mamdani
Each of those three words designed to reinforce the rightwing views How dare a WOMAN make decisions! Suggests that weak willed white people being converted to Brown people thinking! We should not allow bus lanes even though they routinely carry 20% of the population.
specifically the use of the word "female" which would indicates she is less than a human, because female is general word for non-humans as well. they see her as a thing and property. remember all those tropes on some scifi shows how woman are viewed a females instead of a woman.
Mayor removes a lane of a road that wasn't working so that Transit can actually function instead.
That was a really hard to parse title
Yeah that title was godawful
It was written for the people who get their news from Trump's social media posts, so not surprising it reads in that style, at least to me.
not sure ive ever read such an obviously goofy headline. over the top
The Daily Mail is ragebait garbage. This is not the worst headline I've seen from them.
The average reader is going to be lost half way reading that
They takin' our lane, fuckin up everything
why don't to you take the bus?
ain't nobody take no busses, deys to slow.
And crackheads
Crackheads never worried me, catching a cold/flu on the light rail was pretty shitty though.
You've never been attacked by crackheads then
Nope, and never seen anyone attached by them either. Worked in Baltimore for 30 years. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's pretty rare.
Only crackheads take the bus…. And mayors!!
How many contrasting qualifiers does it take for a comparison to become useless?
- Mamdani?
- Female mamdani?
- White female mamadani?
- Seattleite white female mamdani?
I hear she's from Venus. Mamdani's citizenship appears to be a little less clear, as he's either from Mars, or possibly declared citizenship on Jupiter; where he went to be more stupider.
I actually misread at first and thought they were talking about a furry, so potentially 5?
Daily Mail is pure garbage.
Well . . . yeah
good in her, my IQ was lowered a little more reading that screenshots though.
I legit thought this was in the shitpost community reading that headline lmao
Based as fuuuuck
More bus lanes please.
"This doctor who has never had measles is vaccinating people!!1!"
Car owners: "We can't use that one lane now if it's reserved for buses! This is bad! We want to use that lane!"
Random passers-by: "Well, if you want to use that lane so badly, why don't you use a bus, then?"
Car owners: "We can't! B-b-b-because...!" 😡
Mayor: based af Daily mail: biased af
I'm trying so hard to read this title lol
I'm also enjoying that "mamdani" is the new "omg libarels"
The author might as well join the Fascist Party at this point. Forget dogwhistles, bro bonged the whole structure down. Along with the bell.
It's the Daily Mail, I'm pretty sure they're already there
Feels like one of those “bad now, better later” changes—depends if it actually improves transit.
Bus lanes have higher throughput of commuters than car lanes.
If a mayor created a private lane only they could use between their house and work, that would be a crazy abuse of power. Or say, put in stop signs / lights right at their subdivision so traffic was more convenient for them in particular.
This mayor sped up the commute for thousands of people at a minimal impact to a significantly smaller number.
Bus lanes have higher throughput of commuters than car lanes.
To play devil's advocate...
Bus lanes having higher throughput doesn't imply that it's always the right choice to replace car lanes with bus lanes.
If the road was a major bottleneck for cars and this change made it even narrower, it could hurt throughput for both cars and buses!
Cars should be illegal
There’s no devil advocate on that though. It’ll even clear up the congested area for emergency vehicles and keep pedestrians on that street safer. Either way it’s adding a bus lane, not restricting any car access.
How would it reduce throughput for busses?
Say that street A feeds into street B. Street A flows freely and is necessary for a different bus route. Street B is a bottleneck, both cars and buses pass through slowly.
If you remove a car lane from street B, the cars might back up into street A and impede both cars and buses that previously flowed freely through street A.
It's a contrived example, but honestly I can think of a few places like this near me.
I realize now I shouldn't have broached this topic in fuckcars 😂
I mean, all discussion is welcome. City planning is a complex topic.
Please consider sharing achievements of Seattle mayor Katie Wilson rather than sharing the negativity and hateful propaganda of her critics.
Anytime you share a thing you hate online, you are doing free marketing for them.
You could instead ignore it and counterbalance with hope, optimism and successes.
While I agree with you in general, there wasn't a single thing in that headline I consider negative. As far as I'm concerned, it was all complimentary.
(I know that was far from the author's intentions, but that is genuinely what I think of it.)
I absolutely love this strategy and am 100% on board.
wow so many [fill in the blank] isms in one sentence
The fuck is the Daily Mail doing writing about the USA anyway? You're a British shite rag, stay in your lane.
Probably why I have no idea what a white female mamdani even is. Why write it if we're not going to even understand it over here...
That's crappy newspapers for you I suppose!
The Mail was the first UK paper to make a push for the US online market. They are one of the most-read sites and have significant presence there.
But whatever are we gonna do now? Take the bus? That one's notoriously late!
It's not called The Daily Heil for nothing
Instinctively downvoted this post as soon as a saw the daily fail logo :) good thing I kept reading eh
How dare she make it cheaper and more convenient to take public transit than it is to own a $40,000 initial cost constant money hole!
Ahh, now i see why it's called Daily Fail
"Daily Mail is pure garbage."
Correct.
Daily Fail
Daily Hate Mail
Daily Heil Fail
Oh no, I see it.
FeMaLe
Of course, it's Daily Mail, good only as paper in the privy.
There's a good chance this title is shorter and makes more sense than the actual article. But I won't check for fear of an aneurism.
PSA: Remember to breathe between bouts of laughter at this headline folks.
Don't give the daily fail any time or circulation. Its worthless trash.
I assume she had this framed and mounted on her wall, I would.
Lol it's just the Weekly World News. You're getting mad at Ed Anger.
I mean if we're gonna play that bullshit game - we definitely shouldn't be listening to the opinions of 'white male' Joe tacopino.
Just that one bus, or all the buses? Nice try, Daily Fail.
Yeah. plus they make it sound like she rides that bus alone. Pretty sure she’s not the ONLY passenger on the 8.
White female Mamdani? So like a completely different person?
If you boil someone down to their race and gender, yes
actual real-life boss ass babe right there
I like how the title is unnecessarily long so that it can convey propaganda.
Yes they need all those words just to convey that you should hate her.
Why do some people never understand that viable alternatives to cars make life better for drivers too.
Oh right, it's because they don't want to understand.
Unfortunately, adding a bus lane does little when drivers fill it up anyways. Unless there's strict enforcement (doubtful), it'll just be another traffic lane
They are doing that crap where I live, taking away a car lane for a bike lane. I've seen 2 people use it in a two years, not kidding. It's utter bullshit.
I think you're in the wrong sub
Ah yes cuz adding more lanes totally gets rid of traffic Just one more lane man I gotta get just one more lane and ill be ok I swear
This is a common optical illusion with bike lanes. Bicycles are a lot smaller than cars and are 100x less likely to encounter traffic congestion, so bicycle traffic always looks much lighter than a similar number of cars.
The only way to be certain about traffic numbers is to do a traffic survey, where you actually go and count the traffic amount during rush hour.
Heres an example of a traffic counter where bicycle traffic looks a lot lighter than it actually is.
https://youtu.be/3F_B0HtewDU
Also, even if a bike lane is underutilized, it is often a first step towards a proper bike network. Once a bike network reaches a critical mass, the traffic grows exponentially as people feel safe biking and new kinds of business is enabled by bicycle transport.
In countries like the Netherlands it is very rare to build a road WITHOUT a bike path, and I think that should be the standard. We should be asking why it didn't have a bike lane when the road was first built.
That bike lane looks so cramped tho. Why not take both the bike lane and the pedestrian walkway and merge them into one wide bike+pedestrian road (still keeping it physically separate from the car lanes of course)? So much comfier, easier on the eyes, and you don't have to make bike traffic one way so cyclists don't have to cross the street just to go in the direction they need to. I'd feel so cramped cycling there, like how do I even pass people with any real speed without jumping onto the raised pedestrian bit? They could just swerve in front of me and there's nowhere to go in the bike lane.
I'll add an example from my country. Bikes and pedestrians have plenty of space and cars aren't cramped either. There's a marked pedestrian lane and bike lane, but since they're not physically divided, it's easy to temporarily use the pedestrian side for overtaking if necessary. This road in Montreal doesn't really need the divider between car lanes since speeds there are likely to be quite low, that could be taken away to increase the width of the potential combined bike+pedestrian roads.
Because bikes are still vehicles, so it is safer for everyone for bikes and pedestrians to be separated.
The cyclist is going to be hurt just as much as the pedestrian if there's a crash. Physical separation there makes it much more uncomfortable to use and an eyesore as well.
A single bike lane doesn't do much to make an area more accessible to bicycles. Over time, with enough bike lanes and other bicycle friendly infrastructure, it makes a huge impact.
Our citys are designed very poorly. Our roads are designed very poorly. Our laws are designed very poorly. This all takes time to fix, especially when the people trying to fix things are fighting against the lawyers and lap dogs of multibillion dollar corporations.
I understand your frustration. You want better traffic flow and feel like this change made it worse. You are probably right in the short term, but on a macro scale, the only way to fix the problem is to rebuild from the ground up to make your area less car reliant. Less car use is better in pretty much every way.
Can I describe everything beneficial or beneficent as Mamdani? Moreover, can I start referring to things that bother me as ante-Mandani?
Female Mamdani is a very strangrle way to say Mamdani's wife.
Female Mamdani is a very strangrle way to say Mamdani’s wife.
That's a strange way of saying that
They also aren't Mamdani's wife.
Anyone reading this rag must be brain dead or evil. Or both.
I wonder if you could put a pro train compromise on this. If you're mad about busses clogging up the streets and taking lanes, maybe you should support getting those people to take a train. Support rail expansion.
How dare you take away my lane! I love only 3 things: my god, my truck and my wife, in that exact order. Yeeehaw. Busses are for the gays and I ain't gay mister.
(sorry for the AI slop)
Spoken like a proudly ignorant idiot who does not understand how road congestion works.
English newspapers are all trash.
Not only the tabloids
As a longtime former resident of the city for which this article is featured, I am grateful to happily be in the former camp. I totally get what the people voted for and what they received. Buuuuut the hardline take with some progressives truly ventures into theee utmost fascist territory, if I am to be speaking honestly the level of hostility towards those (myself included) who cannot simply make their lives adjust to public transit and to recycling/reusing every single item utilized in the course of a day is somewhat off putting. Many cannot make their daily routines align with what is considered progressive, environmentally conscious and aware. This type of “selfish” behavior is frequently met with the type disgust and disdain that only truly miserable souls seem to enjoy sharing in.
I’m really curious about what’s precisely wrong with taking the bus, but even more, recycling. Because I would understand if schedules and bus stops are not at all convenient, but recycling takes no time or effort at all, and I doubt Seattle is doing anything that no other city had been doing for many years now.
Not opposed to taking the bus or any other type of public transit or recycling. However, I have witnessed behavior in some individuals that was borderline legit crazy. I was finished with a bottle of water and threw it into a trash can. Had there been a recycle bin, I would have placed it there. I was being reprimanded and scolded by someone less than half my age that honestly expected me to carry it until I could find a recycle container. The public transit system doesn’t always service areas that many need to specifically be in at certain times. Everyone living in a futuristic car free city is a great idea. Seattle however is challenged by its geography (lots of hills & water in every direction) and not to mention not developed with the unimaginable growth in mind it has experienced.
I was finished with a bottle of water and threw it into a trash can. Had there been a recycle bin, I would have placed it there. I was being reprimanded and scolded by someone less than half my age that honestly expected me to carry it until I could find a recycle container.
I think you’re in the wrong here. Two reasons.
First, finding the proper trash bin for a bottle requires zero effort. You’d likely find one on your way anywhere.
Second, people “less than half your age” are right to be more concerned about the environment, since they will have to deal with the absolute clusterfuck previous generations are leaving them with.
You really weren’t there. You have no idea what I was carrying. In fact I was at a bus stop & it wasn’t practical to carry a large plastic water bottle with me. It wouldn’t fit into my pocket. My mindful act of placing it into the trash bin was much better than tossing it with the other litter on the ground. To assume I don’t care about the environment based on an incident, well now, this is rich. You seem great at making assumptions. Is there anything else you would like to share with me about me?
I honestly find this complain ridiculous.
I don’t see the issue in carrying an empty plastic bottle around. It weights nothing, and, when crushed, takes no space. There are countries like Japan where there aren’t many garbage bins on the streets and people carry their garbage around until they find one.
There are a bunch of societal rules that started like this. Thirty years ago, most people would still throw their used batteries into the regular garbage bin, would dispose of used oil anywhere, or would happily have a smoke while watching their children at the park. Nowadays no sane person would do either of those. Things change. Get on with the times.
Good thing carrying that plastic bottle around for the performance of doing my part in being a good earth steward. Meanwhile industrial pollution is killing us all on a massive scale. I’m not against the idea of recycling or using public transit. My point is that some people have taken it upon themselves to become almost militant in their attitudes as ultra do gooders. If I can recycle I’m going to recycle. I am not going to go out of my way to do a performance piece showing how much I care about the earth. I think it’s ridiculous that we have been brainwashed into believing that if we don’t recycle everything every time then we were are horrible humans that don’t care. As far as being mindful, absolutely. Buuuut I am not going lose productivity & practicality because I am trying to locate a recycle bin. Hell, that just means there should be more of them.
I'm a construction worker since 2011 working almost all my projects in Seattle and Bellevue. These decisions have always been at my sacrifice as I cannot take the bus to work.
Downs Thompson paradox: The equilibrium speed on a road network is determined by the average door to 🚪 travel time of public transit or the next best alternative.
In other words, you may be unable to take the 🚌, but other people taking the 🚌 reduces traffic congestion, which speeds you up, meaning you'll be faster with the bus lane than without. (After a transitory period, mind you)
Bus lanes in my town are so extremely wasteful, they sit empty for 56 minutes every hour (if a bus passes once every 15 minutes). And are maybe sometimes used by taxi’s or the police. That’s it.
So the buses are running on time, thus offering a viable alternative to cars, and the reduced lane is reversing the induced demand for cars? Based as hell
Make places for people, not cars
Wasteful, or extremely efficient? The bus keeps moving. Meanwhile, each of the parked cars sits idle 95% of the day, taking up tons of valuable real estate.
So you're saying a bus, which on average can support a much larger volume of people than cars can, are running consistently on time, and the lanes are also providing routes that allow emergency responders (not just cops, remember that ambulances can use these lanes too) to get to where they're going without having to wait in traffic as someone dies?
Not to mention that if the dedicated bus lanes didn't exist, bus service could be slow/inconsistent enough that all the people riding the bus would just switch back to cars, and now you've got way more cars on the road clogging it up again.
Why would you think this is a problem?
So emergency vehicles have a priority lane? Betcha that's saved a few lives.
So they're be more efficient if we made buses travel at 0.1mph, so they're be in the lanes more?
1 bus = 40 cars. That’s like 200 metres of clear road per bus if you’re filling them up.