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hexbear.net has raised over $1500 for Palestine over the past few weeks

16d 23h ago by reddthat.com/u/Riverside in fediverse from hexbear.net

Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.

Third such fundraiser in hexbear, maybe it's time to reconsider who's the worst person :P

Let me know when they'll do a fundraiser for Ukraine...

Edit: the tankies are here to brigade this thread... someone lit the fires of hexbear lol

Nah but the zionazis are.

Let me know when .world does anything to help anyone ever.

Ukraine is still beating Russia back even after Trump cut their funding. Palestinians are the most defenseless people on Earth.

What the hell kind of point are you even trying to make here?

Also: WhAtAbOuTiSm?!

Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don't think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don't want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don't want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government's policy without hating on Iranian people.

Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don't think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

That's not the point, it's great they're doing something good but they spread intolerance via propaganda from authoritarian countries.

In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don't want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don't want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government's policy without hating on Iranian people.

You must be blind then, because.ml and hexbear are both massive voices on Ukraine being filled with Nazis and it should be wiped out and returned to russia. The only reason they hate what Israel is doing is because Israel is backed by the west, which they hate.

Would you be here saying how great it is for a white supremacists group raising funds for something? Probably not.

Tolerance of the intolerant must not be allowed.

They're horrible because they disagree with the amount of Nazis in Ukraine?

What percentage of Nazis in Ukraine would you consider "tolerant", when does the switch flip from "tolerant" to "intolerant"?

Everyone gets called Nazis, sitting at a table with Nazis makes you a Nazi, and so on.

but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really

propaganda doesn't make it wrong. They DO genuinely have a Nazi problem, see far-right Azov movement. Would you agree that is a problem? Or do you assert that is fake, and the movement never happened or something?

https://www.theleftchapter.com/post/total-militarization-the-azov-movement-is-colonizing-ukrainian-society-with-neo-nazi-war-ideology

Is "the left chapter" and hundreds of other sources all Russian propaganda? there is a ton of information online, all fake?

So then everyone has a nazi problem and russia should just be invading everyone...if you haven't picked up yet...there are a lot of right wing movements out there. Guess Russia should start bombing civilians in other countries then.

Guess they should start in their own backyard though.

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

Why everyone?

Wouldn't it be reasonable for Ukraine not to have Nazi military brigades? Is that a bridge too far for you, a Ukrainian?

Isn't that an official arm of your government? Are they right wing nationalists or not? I've seen them wear SS badges on many occasions, is that AI or fake? You would know better than I.

I agree, Russia should start in their own backyard, as should all nations. I am against all Nazis and far-right nationalists, in every country, and against armed invasion (like USA's Iran war and Russia's invasion).

So... you still have a Nazi problem, and in your armed forces no less... do you agree? Or are they not a problem for you? Or are they fake news?

First I'm not Ukrainian. I have family there but I don't live there or claim that I am Ukrainian. Secondly having groups like that exists everywhere, it doesn't magically give a country a reason to invade and kill civilians. Or do you think that's ok because a group existed?

The Azov regiment had a past, but that's no longer the case. It hasn't been that way for more than a decade now. In fact, they didn't even pull 2% of the votes. AfD pulls way more than that and has an actual voice in Germany, why isn't France marching into Germany and de-nazifying them?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220325-azov-regiment-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war

So I'll ask again, do you think that a country should be invaded and it's civilians targeted and killed because there are white supremacists/kkk/neonazis/racist/etc. In the military ranks?

All countries have far right shit heels, it's not going to magically go away, and probably will never go away, but it doesn't give another country the right to invade and kill civilians.

You're just repeating russian propaganda.

PS...you tankies need to stick with .ml or something, jumping to other instances gets annoying having to tag you when you show up.

and it should be wiped out and returned to russia

You are definitely making this up, saying something like this would first get you dunked and then banned, feel free to do the experiment. I'm saying this as both a frequent hexbear user and someone who hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my own home at the beginning of the war. Again, not the correct post or community to be arguing about this shit.

https://hexbear.net/post/253926

I dunno what instance you think I'm talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:

"(but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia's invasion had anything to do with that really)."

Is not pro Ukrainian, it's russian propaganda.

You might need to check and see if the hexbear I'm talking about is the same one you are thinking of.

I'm not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.

Great, so now you're moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying "Ukrainians should be wiped out" to "the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem", at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.

Also, "not that Russia's invasion had anything to do with that" is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine's government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.

It's a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn't wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn't easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?

Edit: holy shit you're being disingenuous, the post you're quoting literally says the following: "the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers" right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you're not arguing in good faith, you're making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.

https://hexbear.net/post/228858

Good, fuck Ukraine and their victim bullshit, the entire USSR was affected by the Soviet Famine of the 1930s, and relative to their population it wasn't even the Ukrainians, but the people of Kazakhstan that lost the most people, yet you never hear them be this fucking obnoxious and claim they were "genocided". The "Holodomor" was not a genocide, it's Nazi propaganda.

You're blind if you think they're pro-ukrainian there.

It takes 2 seconds to find shit like this all over hexbear.

Hexbear is trash and a stain on the fediverse. They give it a bad name and is why the mass majority of instances have defederated from them.

They are correct, though, and they're not arguing for elimination of Ukrainians, they're disagreeing with the modern, western-manufactured idea of the "holodomor" as a willing manmade famine directed to Ukraine in particular with the intention of ethnic cleansing, which is entirely unsupported and a fringe position in actual modern evidence-based historiographical analysis. There was a USSR-wide famine due to unforeseen consequences of rapid collectivization, which had to be carried out this way to pursue the rapid industrialization that saved all Slavic ethnicities from being exterminated by Nazis. This rapid collectivization and industrialization ended up saving a hundred million lives from extermination at the hands of Nazism, and also gave rise to unprecedented life expectancy in the region through the elimination of famines altogether after that (excluding ww2), which were previously commonplace throughout the history of the region.

The argument is not "fuck Ukrainians, they deserved the holodomor", it's "I'm angry when I have to constantly engage with the western-manufactured and nazi-peddled conspiracy theories of genocide against Ukrainians during the Soviet Union". You surely understand that the user is angry at this.

If you're interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2, which has been the transition to capitalism:

Suffice it to say, I dont support the state model of the current Russian Republic, and I honestly believe that Ukrainians lived better under Socialism than they do now, they were already the most impoverished nation in Europe before the war after 30 years of neoliberalism and corruption. Now they've gone from being an industrial powerhouse of the USSR with guaranteed healthcare, education, housing and employment, to being a playground for war games of the Russian Republic and the western empire.

Yea... we're done here.

As I said:

If you're interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2

It seems that you're not genuinely interested in that and you're arguing purely in nationalist terms, so yeah, you've proven your bad faith and your lack of willingness to discuss the current issues of Ukraine outside your pro-western framework. So yeah, I guess we are done.

Tankie logic.

You made claims you didn't back up and moved the goal posts twice, and finally resolved to calling them a tankie.

You're "pro Ukraine" in the same way Zionists are "pro Israel", they cannot do wrong and they cannot be criticized. Anyone who criticizes Ukraine is a Russian tankie bot.

Ukraine does have a Nazi history and a Nazi problem, and that's separate from and not a defense of Russia or Putin, and rejecting it as tankie logic simply because Putin used it as a talking point is intellectually dishonest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

And Zelenski is an unapologetic genocide supporting Zionist, why would anyone collecting funds for victims of Israeli genocide also collect funds for its cheerleaders.

We can accept that Russia is wrong and Putin is evil and the war on Ukraine is bad without sanctifying Ukraine and pretending it has no problems.

He must have posted over on his hexbear account.

Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis...and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist...tankies gonna tank I guess.

Another one added to the tag group.

Jesus Christ you're hopeless.

I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you're right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.

And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is... I don't even know how to label that, you're just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE".

So does russia also have a nazi problem then? Where they allied with hitler? Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

And if I can remember correctly....jews aren't exactly fans of nazis...or are you one of those Holocaust deniers as well?

Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

I have not once defended Russia or their war on Ukraine, I simply said Ukraine is not perfect, and that it's really stupid to keep calling people tankies simply for criticizing it.

So does russia also have a nazi problem then?

Not particularly. Russia/the RSFSR is generally understood as a major victim of Nazi Germany, even though some Russians did collaborate. That is different from saying Russia had the same kind of widespread Nazi collaboration problem seen in some other occupied regions.

https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/2015

Where they allied with hitler?

The USSR was, temporarily. The Nazi-Soviet pact in 1939 was a real agreement, and it helped enable the joint destruction of Poland. But that does not erase the fact that the RSFSR was later invaded by Nazi Germany and suffered enormously, including over 119,000 Jewish victims in the occupied parts of Soviet Russia. So no, “Russians suffered under Nazism” and “the USSR collaborated with Hitler before 1941” are both true.

Is it tankie shit to read history books? The Red Army liberated Auschwitz!

You calling me a tankie doesn't change facts or history. Russia invading Ukraine is bad.

Historically, there was substantial Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazi occupation, including the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which Yad Vashem says assisted German forces in anti-Jewish operations and other repressive actions, while the Holocaust in Ukraine was one of the main killing grounds of the entire genocide.

FSR was mainly on the receiving end of Nazi occupation and mass murder. Ukraine, by contrast, was not only a major killing ground of the Holocaust but also saw meaningful local collaboration, and it still has a real far-right problem today. Freedom House has explicitly described far-right extremism in Ukraine as a threat to Ukrainian democracy and documented violent intimidation by right-wing radical groups.

That doesn’t make all Ukrainians Nazis; it just means the history and the present are uglier than the usual clean nationalist story. And calling people tankies for criticizing Ukraine or Zelenski is really, really, stupid.

suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews)

You mean 'The Ukraine', as in, a member state of the USSR as it existed at that time, and not 'Ukraine' a sovereign country, which it has been since 1991.

Because changing the country magically erases its crimes and changes the racism and hatred in its people?

Yeah... And Russia is no longer in the USSR, all good there, nothing to see. New country new history.

Thought-terminating cliche, easier to disregard someone with coherent arguments and a humane outlook on Ukraine than to engage in a framework contradicting the propaganda in your nation's terms. I've explicitly told you how I've hosted Ukrainian refugees in my home, and I haven't told you how much I've donated to Ukrainian individuals, but you'd rather disregard me as a "Ukrainian hater" despite my actions.

Sure thing...you keep spewing that russian propaganda...

Second thought-terminating cliche in a row!

I keep spewing the Russian propaganda such as me denying that the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was to curb Nazism and arguing that that's just propaganda to justify it internally?

I provided links and users...and you denied it....

Hell their is even a user in this comment that's saying Zelenskyy is a Zionist but also that Ukraine is filled with Nazis...make that one work.

You cherrypicked quotes from users and misinterpreted what they say, after moving the goalposts from your initial statement.

No...no I didn't but ok.

No its not good enough. They've done far more damage to Palestine by advocating against Harris in 2024.

Sure, advocating for "most-lethal-armed-forces-in-the-world Harris" would have totally saved Gaza, it's not like the ramping up of the genocide started during Democrat rule, and not like Democrats were sending the cops to beat up anti-genocide protestors at universities!

you're right its not like that at all.

Let’s not kid ourselves $1500 is a joke and accomplishes nothing.

Then organize your own fundraiser and triple the amount, the more the merrier!

No thanks. Everyone involved here sucks.

Hexbear banned me just for posting a meme of Bernie Sanders kissing Vladimir Putin with the caption "Tankies ❤️ Dead Palestinians".

I don't care how much money they raise. They are monsters. Inhuman, vile, irredeemable filth. Anyone who doesn't let me post in their community is the worst kind of pond scum.

what a grumpy bear

Damn, almost had me in the first half, commendable sarcasm comrade, made me chuckle

well, at least there will be a positive effect from them for once

AFAIK it's the third such fundraiser from over there

that's genuinely nice

I've never heard of Hexbear. Care to explain?

Many instances defederated from them because a large chunk of the user base was abusive and brigading. To an extent even the worst right wing instances federated couldn't match.

Not disputing your claim, as it doesn't surprise me at all, but I'm curious: What are "the worst right wing instances" ?

I haven't paid enough attention to notice any instances with a consistent and noticeable right-wing lean.

There used to be exploding-heads.com, it was right-wing but not particularly active IIRC

Seconded, I am curious, too. I've only seen Tankies, Democrats, and Anarchists in lemmy.world, I haven't come across one Trump supporter in months.

Lemmy.world defederated from hexbear "pre-emptively" before they even had federation active. To this day, I have never seen this mythical hexbear brigading.

Yes. And people including myself have accounts on other servers. And experienced it personally 3-4 years ago. That you didn't experience it doesn't disprove it. There's a reason many of us chose servers like world as primary, that didn't federate.

Best you got. Weak.

It's more often the reverse. You'll see accounts in hexbear-adjacent servers posting "Why Stalin Was Worse Than Hitler" tier content, getting banned, and then coming over to .world to scream and cry about how they've been censored by the mean Tankies.

[source needed]

I don't like tankies much either but I've seen way worse from the fascists.

Not really sure if it's useful to ask if diarrea or regular shit is worse.

I don't want to step in either

Well, for one, in eg. East Germany, homosexuality was decriminalised before in the West.

In fascist Italy and Germany, you were sent to a concentration camp.

True. That's what the east reserved for people who critizised the state

There were no concentration camps in the Eastern Block, though, the word you're looking for is "prison", which exists in all societies (mostly in the US though).

As for criticising the state, you couldn't publicly criticise the party leader or the communist model in public without getting in trouble (no jail for just talking though), but as they say "in communism you couldn't criticise one person (the party leader), in capitalism you can't criticise your boss or your company".

I'd like to thank you for proving my point

And women's rights, and public infrastructure, and access to education etc.

I saw right wingers raging (rarely), but there would be a post about Bernie sanders and every time there's a hexbear user saying "this capitalist bootlicking swine, I never want to see his revolting war criminal face again." And replied to all comments saying "wtf is wrong with you" with similar comments. Go check the thread of my instance asking if we should defederate, I can find it if you want. So many people who said "the toxicity from hexbear is overwhelming," myself included.

I don't disagree with you. I think that we should encourage the hexbears to be pitted against the great danger first - fascism. When I discuss factionalism and solidarity, I try to put the accent on "I understand your criticism, and that is why we should focus on the great danger: fascism and corporatism. If we will grow without compromising, we must rally all behind that cause, so that we foster solidarity."

Propaganda at its core, is "sling something at the wall often enough and it becomes truth".

Ultimately that comes down to personal experience and circumstance. And as you can see a lot of people either experienced it themselves or saw it as well. And I don't think it's controversial to say that the Chapo Trap House crew are rather immature. Unfortunately for you a lot of the evidence that you're searching for is lost to time on instances that were Federated that have shut down. If you have access to hexbear you could probably find some of them I'm sure lurking around from 3 to 4 years ago.

Not going to lie I haven't interacted with them in at least 3 years and I haven't missed it. Maybe they've matured. Anything is possible.

To be fair, they did specify right-wing Lemmy instances, not right-wingers in general, and I can't think of any instances that would meet that definition off the top of my head.

But Hexbear definitely has a reputation as some of the worst of the worst of the normal instances. Blahaj defederated from them despite Ada trying to get the trans communities of both instances connected because of the harassment, brigading, and outright transphobia Hexbear inflicted on Blahaj users for not being the right kind of leftists. You can still find the community discussions on the topic in the general instance posts. They even tried to claim that Blahaj was being transphobic to them. You know, the LGBTQ instance created and ran to be a space for trans people and others first and foremost.

Hexbear is also known to have at least once tried to convince their mods to "take over other instances and ban all the non-communists."

I believe that at this point if you were to download the stuff to spin up your own instance, Hexbear is on the list of instances that are defederated by default because so many instances have defederated them because of their behavior.

They are authoritarian left and even though Russia is not a leftist country they will refuse to say a single thing bad about Russia, China, and some will even say nothing is wrong with north Korea. If you search the instance for 'Ukraine' you will see them saying Russia is the good guy in the Ukrainian war. They will say things like authoritarianism doesn't actually exist. I legitimately wonder how many posts are state sponsored lol. There are a lot of them on lemmy.ml as well

Just a week ago I had a conversation with someone that is thinking that Russia is a still a communist country and was arguing if I was sure about the opposite

They are authoritarian left

Oh? What authority do they posses?

If you search the instance for ‘Ukraine’ you will see them saying Russia is the good guy

https://hexbear.net/search?q=Ukraine&type=All&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false

shrug

It's a leftist instance that's very active and will argue with people that post anticommunist popaganda.

Come see for yourself. I did.

it's just a leftist lemmy instance

hexbear.net is an explicitly and unapologetically instance of Lemmy. They're known for their active userbase, light trigger on banning Zionist, transphobic or even pro-western content (which angers many people who live in the west), and their love for beanis

You guys are so weird. Russia is awful for non-cis people and you're all falling over yourselves simping for them.

Nobody simps for Russia over in Hexbear, internal policy is terrible, but the fact is that it's been forced by the west to adopt many anti-imperialist policies, which communists are right to offer CRITICAL support

Got it. Everything is the west's fault. Very nuanced.

Not everything, but as things stand, most things yeah. It's what happens when you concentrate power for 100 years in one or two capitalist nations.

To you, "nuance" simply means "other nations must be even worse, look, I saw it on my western disinformation"

You're the one who keeps dick measuring countries. I call out specific bad actions, regardless of who commits them.

It's okay though, the west made you post that message.

I'm not "dick measuring" countries, you just systematically perform western-biased analysis of what are good and what are bad actions. For instance, you'd criticise the Chinese internet firewall or the Russian support to Assad, when the realistic alternatives are measurably worse. It seems that "lesser evil" to you guys is something that only applies to western genocidal maniacs and not to actually significantly different nations.

I wasn't thinking about the Chinese internet firewall at the moment, but you bring up a good point - that's a bad thing. What's the alternative, internet freedom where china can't police the media and public discourse?

Sucks how the west makes china censor it's citizens.

The alternative is "free speech" dominated by western tech oligarchs in platforms subjected to intelligence monitoring and constant western interference. It's exactly these things leading to murderers like Bolsonaro and Milei being elected.

Source check on the bolsonaro and milei murder convictions?

Francisco Franco was a murderer who died of old age, Trump is a murderer who will die of old age, Obama is a murdered who's roaming the streets free, if you judge who's a murderer according to whatever someone with a wig claims, that's your fault not mine.

So the state should choose what people can read and say?

Why on earth would you want that?

I really don't get the tankie obsession with dictators and authoritarian rule. It seems so contrary to socialist ethos.

The state already chooses what people can read or say. I live in the EU, all Russian media are banned here. I fundamentally don't disagree with banning Russian media, but it proves that this already happens, it's just that the state sees that generally western media dominate internationally and it allows us to read it.

In the context of China, if the alternatives are between banning western media and not banning it, the success of the Chinese model and its resilience against western intelligence and propaganda make it obvious to me that the firewall was the correct choice in retrospect, however unsavory it may seem from the outside.

Since you're so excited about being exposed to all media: do you personally go out of your way to watch Russian, Chinese, Cuban or Iranian media and engage with their citizens online, or does your "media freedom" de-facto result in you exclusively consuming western sources?

There's the obvious language barrier, but just because something is not from the west does not mean it's accurate.

I lived in Hong Kong for 3 years, Malaysia for 1, and live in a former Soviet country, so I am no stranger to non-western options.

I hope you give non-western media the same critical analysis that you do western media.

I'm not okay with suppression of information though. How would I even interact with Iranian citizens given that the government has blocked internet access?

Media isn't blocked in western countries like it is in authoritarian dictatorships like china, Russia, Iran, north Korea, Cuba, etc...

Lack of popularity does not equal censorship and that's a huge distinction. If I wanted to, I could read NK news.

Good work Hexbear!

Good shit indeed

goddamn this entire thread is annoying:

  • yes the hexbears are annoying and create problems
  • no they're not just as bad as overt fascists. their hearts are in the right place, as demonstrated by this post
  • being a scold when they do something good won't get them to do more good, it will entrench them further into the things they do that are problematic

so good job hexbears. you did something good this week. keep stuff like this going

Thanks for the candid words. It seems that people get more bothered over theoretical ideological points than the results of the theory. I'll be very happy if .world users decide to own hexbear epic style and do a 10 times larger fundraiser for Palestine

Don't worry, they won't

Maybe a good thing they did.

I hope they verified well. There‘s a whole industry of scammers in this sector.

You can check the comments in the linked previous post in which they organized the fundraiser, I believe someone left a tool for verifying the accounts in the comments

Hexbear is actually doing something good for a change.

Third such fundraiser too! Here's to many more, maybe the trend goes to other instances?

Hexbear has always been really good at supporting fedizens.

And driving away 95% of their traffic.

glances at the traffic that's been driven away

shrugs

Hexbear: organizes its third fundraiser for Palestine, raising above $1500 in just a few weeks

Lemmitors: I FUCKING HATE YOU

We don’t hate you because of the fundraiser.

You hate us because it's easier to hate us than to deal with the cognitive dissonance of being exposed to viewpoints and frameworks outside western propaganda. Proof is you hate-commenting on a post about fundraisers for Palestine.

No, that’s not it either.

Regardless: thanks for your engagement and bumping up the post

Hopefully more people will be inspired to start such action

Yeah, it’s for a good cause.

💯

They can send it with a note that says "Were not sorry we explicitly fought against the person who was running against the current bastard that's helping Israel kill you, but we read a lot of theory and we know we're right. Here's $1500 bucks, maybe you can use it to read more theory"

Democrats founded Israel, and love funding them and their war machine just as much as Republicans.

Yes, I know, bOtH pArTiEs, I'm a monster, etc. etc.

Great job blaming the left for the faults of the US government and assuming that most hexbears are even from the US (the one organizing the fundraiser is a Spaniard, as I am, check their post history and username).

Also, both bastards want to kill them, though, your logic doesn't apply once you remember the current phase of the genocide was initiated during Dem rule.

Read that again, I didn't make any assumptions about where they are, but I'm not wrong. They fought Kamala like they were getting paid. There's no way Kamala would have been worse, you'll have to invent new lies to make that one stick.

Kamala fought 'herself'.

In USA you need independents to win elections. This has been established fact for many years. Independents outnumber Ds and Rs, at 40% registered (with R30/D30%).

Harris ran an odd campaign, you can see many articles about it... she did a huge amount of Republican outreach, more than I've ever seen or heard of... and even ads, like "He doesn't have to know how you voted" and so on, for months when she was already short on time.

They don't do that in my experience, it's unusual to say the least. Independent votes are their target, much more susceptible for voting D than any R.

Why did they waste all of this time and money on REPUBLICANS?

I know why, and so does Kamala and the DNC. They aren't stupid.

She went against the math and went for her opposition's votes... she took a knee.

If you disagree, if you're familiar with US politics and know of a different reason, please share. I want to be wrong.

TBH, it wasn't that far outside of the basic corporate Dem playbook. Incredibly stupid and definitely lost her the election, for sure, but Dems have been "courting the moderate Republican" (is this "moderate Republican" in the room with us right now?) since Clinton left office - if not longer. It was the most strange and open version of it I've ever seen, but I wonder how much of it was her doing and how much was pushed by the party and the party's campaign managers. Practically all the party ever talks about is how they have to reach across the aisle and convince conservatives to vote for them. We saw it with Hillary as well. They alienated the leftist vote and their own voters to push more conservative policies and lost themselves the election.

Kamala and Walz had a goldmine when they started calling Republicans weird, and they suddenly stopped like 8 days later. If that wasn't the party muzzling them, I don't know what is.

She stuck to all her leftwing policy position and only compromised on 80/20 issues like border security.

She stuck to all her leftwing policy position

All zero of them.

There seems to be some confusion. When I say leftwing policies, I’m referring to liberal democratic policies, universal healthcare, robust public transit, social equity, environmental protections and human rights. You think leftwing means authoritarianism, state violence and the suppression of human rights so I understand why you're upset that Harris doesnt have those policies.

I’m referring to liberal democratic policies, universal healthcare, robust public transit, social equity, environmental protections and human rights.

If liberals ever start actually doing any of those, you can start calling them liberal policies. Liberals have fought for none of those as hard as they fought to make sure netanyahu got his genocidin' weapons. Liberals usually find just enough no votes, and if they cared at all about human rights, they wouldn't keep insisting that everyone vote for genocide.

You think leftwing means authoritarianism, state violence and the suppression of human rights so I understand why you’re upset that Harris doesnt have those policies.

Leftwing means the policies you listed that no centrist has ever wanted. Especially Harris.

You are dumb as rocks. Liberal Democracies around the world have already proven they are able to get that done. Trying to say that liberals fought hard for Weapon funding to Isreal is just beyond delusional.

Liberals love to take credit for the accomplishments of the left.

While slinging abuse.

Liberals are the left. You are an authoritarian tankie.

Liberals capitulate to republicans and support genocide.

You just scream "tankie" at anything you don't like.

Tankie is the liberals woke. No one knows what it stands for, it's all vibes.

If you were against harris in 2024 you're pro genocide its really that simple. Voting for her was the obvious choice to help Palestinians and by abstaining you show that you dont care about the outcome which is insanely genocidal considering what was on the line. Anyway you're an obvious troll so im blocking you

Pro-genocide centrists assume that everyone who doesn't love genocide as much as they do must be a nonvoter.

I voted for harris. You voted for genocide and would have voted for trump if she had told netanyahu no. Blocking me makes no difference. You've only ever listened to netanyahu.

Nice

Hell yeah

Yeah, awesome stuff tbh

Sounds good, but make sure the money really goes into the hands who needs it the most: the vulnerable rather than those wanting to fight to the death.

Have to add that while zakat and jizya are normal practices in Islam, nonetheless the issue is the charity money is rarely ever accounted properly.

BTW, food not bombs.

The vulnerable are the ones fighting to the death, though. Isntreal is murdering and starving them en-masse with the explicit intent of extermination, and they have the international right to resistance.

Great news!

Broken clock effect.

At the end of the day, they're still authoritarian bootlickers, and they should not be given any slack because they did one good deed. Fuck Hexbear. They're as evil as MAGA as far as I'm concerned.

havent come across hexbear much so im not really aware of their stances but i think calling a lemmy instance "as evil as MAGA" is kind of a stretch

Sorry that we want free healthcare, education, and we opose imperialism.

Thanks for your engagement on the post! It really helps with visibility

Most countries can have all that without being authoritarian bootlickers.

Define 'authoritarian'

you are on a .ml instance you fucking know what authoritarian is. Its all your instances favorite leaders

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They are no comrades of mine

Hard to have comrades when you're an anticommunist!

That's exactly why hexbears don't have comrades. Simping for dictators is about the most anticommunist thing you can do.

exactly why hexbears don't have comrades

I have plenty of online and IRL comrades, not sure what you mean.

Simping for dictators

I've never simped for dictators, you just mistake "foreign nation with geopolitical interests opposite from the US" with dictators.

My dear democracy-lover, what's your opinion on the recent push for grassroots democracy in socialist Vietnam? They're eliminating an entire echelon of bureaucrats quickly and giving the budgets and decision-making power directly to local councils to administer directly. Surely since you're a democracy lover you're aware of this and you support it?

Tell me you know nothing about Democratic Centralism without telling me you know nothing about Democratic Centralism.

"But Stalin said he was, he could never lie! Now go to the gulag, you counter revolutionary!"

Still overall net negative on the society. They'd have to raise billions to check out not a half of 1990s Honda civic

"Yeah, they may be one of the safest spaces for Trans people on the internet, unapologetically antizionist and anti imperialist, and raise thousands of dollars for struggling Palestinians, but did you know that they dunked on me once when I said that China is bad?"

You conveniently miss out all the awful stuff they do lol so bye

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good!" - centrists, while demanding unconditional permanent loving support for netanyahu and his genocide.

Awful stuff they do, or things they say you don't like? Two very different things.

You'll be missed I'm sure