Windows 12 Reportedly Set for Release This Year as a Fully Modular, Subscription-Based, AI-Focused OS
2d 10h ago by lemmy.ml/u/Korkki in technology from tech4gamers.com
It's not april fools yet
So Microsoft is continuing their promotion of Linux.
Hijacking top comment to let people know this article is just made up.
This. It's based on AI Halucinations based off of previous trends. MS's roadmap does not have W12 listed at all.
Stopped reading after the “Why it matters” section. Nobody uses that phrase in an article.
*Microslop
Subscription-based, AI-Focused
"Hey team, so how can we make a worse Windows 11?" - Microslop
will be a modular and AI-focused OS
Take all the parts that used to be included and put them behind individual pay walls. I suggest Control Panel, powershell, network access, adding icons to start menu and task bar, using multiple monitors, the registry, right click menus. I'm sure even more could be added to this list with each starting at $5/mo, on top of the access fee and one drive expansions as access to your own hdd (other than the OS) is restricted behind a $20/mo sub.
Can I get my bonus now? - Microslop team
"Hi there User! It looks like you're trying to ctrl-alt-delete. Unfortunately this is an al a carte feature for Premium Tier Users only. Upgrade now and get a totally free trial of right-click for one month on us!"
Oops! You hit your CTRL+ALT+DELETE quota for the week, would you like extra usage? ($5 minimum, no refunds, rates may increase after you accept charges)
What is this news outlet? This seems like just an outright lie...
Here's another article from a more well known source saying the opposite is true. That they have no windows 12 release plans for 2026 and instead they're trying to fix the issues with 11 and reduce the amount of AI is being pushed on the user.
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/no-an-ai-focused-windows-12-is-not-coming-this-year-false-report-gets-the-facts-completely-wrong
While I hate Microslop as much as the next guy - critical thinking like this is woefully absent on the internet…
Many people literally read headlines and that’s all. They don’t question the source.
I mean, it definitely got Lemmy frothing at the mouth.
Windows 12 could be released as early as this year and will be a modular OS, meaning users will have the option to add or remove features, aiming to provide more flexibility.
Does this mean I can remove the AI? /s
It is possible with W11 to install without copilot and other garbage using the right unattended setup XML and installer that facilitates it
Just… install Linux if you’re going to do that much work like… why
school software spyware refuses to work on linux :(
Some people enjoy slop!
You have a deep and abiding hatred of functional operating systems?
I had to learn about it so my kid could play the games he wants to play that don't work on Linux.
I actually did switch my gaming PC to Linux because I decided it was going to be less effort than trying to force Windows to obey.
It was the way Microsoft was progressively disabling workarounds that was the final straw. As soon as a way to disable telemetry or something became widespread, it wouldn't work any more with the next update and you needed to find new methods.
Linux just does as it's fucking told.
I did a Tiny11 install with Rufus, felt accomplished and then asked me the exact same thing. Have been running Linux for 6 months now and didn‘t boot up my W11 partition since last year.
Does that prevent Windows just ninja installing it in a random update?
I hope not but really IDK
No. You can remove anything except Edge and AI.
You will be constantly reminded that Edge is based in the same technology as Chrome though
Like that's a good thing
Subscription based AND AI focused? All they're missing are loot boxes.
After 100 boxes I finally unlocked paste, but still can't copy.
Please watch 15 minutes of unskippable ads to be eligible for Co Pilot Premium Plus loot boxes, some of which may contain a platinum WindowsCOPY NFT which can be exchanged for up to ten CopyOnBlockchain transactions.
Im 500 in and still haven't gotten a shiny clippy. At 1000 I heard theres supposed to be a guaranteed drop. So I should probably keep going right?
Please drink verification can
Allegedly an incorrect rumor.
Yeah I trust Windows Central more than whatever this site is.
I don't want to hear a single one of you calling others for falling for AI slop ever again.
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/no-an-ai-focused-windows-12-is-not-coming-this-year-false-report-gets-the-facts-completely-wrong
I'm glad to see it was ai translation hallucination, I appreciate you and others in the thread providing a much more accurate link.
That said, I wouldn't be shocked if MS was behind an easily debunked and inflammatory article like this one. Then when they release their actual unpopular plan, people may say "well that's not that bad compared to what that one article said they were doing."
At my job we are working with a few air gapped Windows machines which is already really annoying because Microslop doesn't offer offline installers for anything related to Windows 11 anymore. I expect this to get even more difficult over time.
Also:
I'm as anti-M$ as anyone, but this just isn't true. The windows update catalog still exists for offline patches
Ok, where can I download the Media Feature Pack for Windows 11 N as an offline installer?
That's a whole different story...UWP apps offline for an EU build is a "best of luck to you, pal" thing
Why is this arbitrarily "a whole different story" and who said anything about UWP, it's the media codecs we depend on. Windows 10 N offered an offline installer for that "optional feature" and now Microslop makes my life more difficult for no reason at all.
You specifically referenced the media pack, which in win 11 looks like it's packaged as a pseudo Windows Store application. You also said Windows N, which is a different case (and the reason you even need it in the first place). I get the EU/GDPR thing, and yeah it's probably a pain, but you said "doesn't offer offline installers for anything relate to Windows 11 anymore", without qualifying that is your specific niche case. Have you tried K-Lite? Do kids even use that anymore?
No alternative codecs wont do, the application we are building has a hard dependency on these specific dlls due to another dependency requiring them. It was also just one example of many excuse my hyperbole. Here is another one, try to get winget to work with a local package cache. You have to go to some third party developer for that. Want another one? How about debugging windows binaries in an offline environment. Reasonable requirement? Microsoft says no.
Our work uses laptops and it's already a pain in the ass with Microsoft office being subscription based cause they are often in areas with no internet or cell reception then bam, "please login"
Fuck!
I forget, was it Win10 that was supposed to be the last version of Windows ever?
Yes it was, but this was before Nadella went full AI bro.
With changes presented in 11 this statement is true for many users.
I knew this would be here…
Look, I’m normally not one to defend M$ but this just isn’t the case. One dude who was on stage for something else, who yes worked for M$ but isn’t PR or anything, made that statement as an offhand comment. The press ran with it, as they are wont to do.
Bottom line is, M$ never claimed W10 was their last os. It was “just some guy”.
By all accounts it was someone who didn't speak English as their first language and described the version as "last" when they meant "latest".
Upgraded all my Win 10 machines to Linux so you're spot on
It's honestly impressive how many unattractive "features" they're apparently packing into this.
Unfortunately, these are the only bright sides to this new OS. Microsoft’s Copilot, the AI assistant the company has been aggressively injecting across the ecosystem, will now be a core part of the next Windows iteration rather than a supplementary feature.
11 is bad enough, but it seems like 12 will be infected with copilot at every level of the OS rather than just shoehorned into every single app.
These AI features won’t come cheaply, with Windows 12 set to debut a new hardware requirement just as its predecessor did with the TPM 2.0 requirement. This time around, a dedicated NPU would be required, a specialized processor designed to handle AI tasks.
Oh, great. Yet another new hardware requirement, this time for unwanted AI, in a marketplace with runaway hardware prices caused by AI. On the plus side, this will make it easier for most people to not switch.
Some features of Windows 11 might also be locked away behind a subscription model that are expected to be “advanced AI services”, but the core OS will be a one-time purchase only.
Ok, so not only are you charging money for the OS, you're also taking away existing features and making people pay a subscription?
The modular aspect of the OS is Microsoft’s CorePC architecture project that they’ve been working on for years. It will redefine the Windows experience by allowing the addition and removal of components. This will help customise the OS for each build, whether it’s a lighter-weight system, a gaming-prioritized build, etc.
Can we remove copilot, the subscription model, advertisements, and spyware?
This time around, a dedicated NPU would be required, a specialized processor designed to handle AI tasks.
Releasing an OS that requires an NPU when Intel and AMD are only this year starting to ship desktop CPUs that even have an NPU seems very aggressive.
Doubly so factoring in it's right now at a time when, hardware costs are skyrocketing. Getting a PC with the same specs as the one I bought in 2023, is almost double the price today. Even steam machines and consoles are delaying themselves because they can't find a way to release at a reasonable price point.
Everyone has basically been told "3 months ago was the last time to buy a computer for a while until either the AI bubble pops, or some magical huge increase in manufacturing happens to keep up with demand". Point is this is literally the worse time in history to tell people to go buy a new PC.
They're just trolling now. Nobody is that tone deaf.
Hahahahaha, they just don't want to learn do they.
They're hoping for the every other release is half decent trend they have been following since win95
Microslop (through tears): Stop calling us Microslop!
Also Microslop:
Windows 12 Reportedly Set for Release This Year as a Fully Shitty, Shit-Based, Shit-Focused Slop.
Microslop fully embracing it's new name.
Windows Slop Edition
Windows Slop Edition.
Hard no from me
The report appears to have originated from PCWorld, but has gained mass attention on Reddit with over 12,000 upvotes and thousands of angry comments. The good news is the report is false. According to contacts that are familiar with the Windows roadmap, there is no plan to ship a Windows 12 this year. In fact, I understand that the Windows roadmap for 2026 is all about fixing Windows 11 and attempting to improve its reputation by addressing top feedback such as reducing AI bloat across the OS, bringing back the movable Taskbar, and more.
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There's lots of other claims the report makes that are also easy to debunk. The codename Hudson Valley is from 2023 and not tied to a Windows 12, the "radically redesigned" UI claims are just based on a leaked concept from 2022 that was never greenlit to ship, and a subscription-based version of Windows has been rumored to be around the corner since 2012.
I've just deployed bunch of win10-iot devices in an engineering workshop with write protection. Those are supported until 2032 so we're good.
Gonna continue running linux at home, tho. In the office, because of autodesk, we're gonna have to have something windows.
Fuck autodesk
Super glad to have gotten off that shit-train last year. Still dealing with the Linux learning curve, but never going back.
Every time I have to use my work laptop (with Windows) for anything, it feels like a giant step back. Lately it's even worse; it feels like that step is right into some dog shit.
This might legitimately be the year of the Linux desktop, not because Linux suddenly got better, but because Windows finally got unacceptably bad.
Abandon ship
I don't understand why I would want to buy a new computer so their OS can have their AI do that stuff that they want.
Why don't they just do it themselves then? I never asked for any of that shit.
This headline describes the disastrous state of Microslop perfectly. It gets worse with every written word.
So this is my understanding:
- Microsoft is moving to a subscription model OS
- new tpm requirement
- hardware is sold out and/or 3x more expensive because of Sam Altman
- Microsoft is leaning into thin clients
I see people celebrating this "stupid decision" by Microsoft and saying that it's the year of the Linux desktop. Honestly, I'd love that outcome.
But what if Microsoft is willing to destroy Windows right before the AI bubble pops, shift the entire industry away from consumer parts, get people to throw all their old devices in a landfill, and then recoup their losses when Trump inevitably bails out the industry?
I always think about how Obama's Cash for Clunkers got people to trade in their old, reliable cars for arguably shittier new cars with built-in Surveillance capabilities and planned obsolescence. It ended up ruining the used car market too. I wonder if we will see something like that for AI. "Trade in your pc for a free year of windows 12 and a new pc (thin client) to run it"
To be fair to Cash for Clunkers, the intent was to get people on better gas efficiency cars, not to downgrade people to worse cars. California policy is the one that mandated cameras on newer cars, but also to be fair there it does reduce incidents of crashing during reverse.
I think Microsoft shouldn't really be making plans around windows based on the state of the government today and should be concerned with how it changes just 6 months from now.
To be fair to Cash for Clunkers, the intent was to get people on better gas efficiency cars, not to downgrade people to worse cars.
I was a supporter of the program at the time and agreed with that intent. However, In retrospect it was more of a handout to the auto industry. And whether intended or not, it hurt the used car market and got people to abandon very reliable (and more importantly, easily self repairable) cars that were built in the 90s.
2008 was right around the time when automakers started adding more tech to cars. So that's where my suspicions about surveilance comes in. In fact, an infamous vulnerability, which can be used to uniquely identify vehicles, was introduced into most US vehicles made after 2008.
Microslop Trough
Well that sounds just fucking awful!
“no sloppy Windows, guys— I mean it.”
“LET’S SLOP IT UP!”
As we thought it couldn't get any worse.
downright determined to develop the shittiest computation experience mankind has ever known
Not sure how they could be confident in the idea of selling hardware to users right now, considering even the cost of thin clients is stupidly high.
Maybe there's something I'm missing here.
Win 11 was such a success, so it is of course absolutely logical Microslop will double down on going that way.
Congratulations, this announcement really does ticks all the boxes.
I think they know that they have a shitty product that nobody asked and everybody hates, but they also know that corporations and institutions have their workflows and custom software stacks built on top of windows and therefore them and their workers are not very easily going to jump ship. Only thing they need to make sure of that they don't break 40 years of backwards compatibility. Understanding that, why the fuck not just milk people? If it backfires, then it backfires, but even then Microsoft makes more money on Office 365 alone than they do from Windows.
Jokes aside though, we have to use Windows 10 iot VMs and VDIs to connect to secure production environments due to our clients' corporate policies. Currently we host and sandbox the VMs on Linux servers in order to ensure the integrity of our interactions with the client systems. How the fuck arebwe supposed to do that in the future when the VM's OS is constantly chatting with a third party?
Bro we just wanna own the things we bought and paid for. You're not making a good argument here, Microslop.
That's because SaaS doesn't WANT you to own anything...
If there was ever hope that Microslop would correct its ways, this is proof that there is no reason to hope
Yes, by all means, make a new OS and paywall all the AI garbage on there. Please.
Meet Microslop's new Head of Design and Engineering!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ
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This sound so horrible, I might finally "upgrade" to 11.
Just what nobody wanted!
Who cares. Go home windows. I'm waiting for Microsoft doors.
Subscription based. I missed that. So happy I switched.
These AI features won’t come cheaply, with Windows 12 set to debut a new hardware requirement just as its predecessor did with the TPM 2.0 requirement. This time around, a dedicated NPU would be required, a specialized processor designed to handle AI tasks.
Requiring new hardware for AI when there's already a serious SSD and memory shortage caused by AI? What could possibly go wrong?
Next up: Microslop will file lawsuits to shut down Linux distribution.
Great time to install Linux or buy a Mac or ArcaOS; I'm not one to judge.
Affinity.
I just need Affinity.
And then I can dump Windows.
Winboat, and run it in that, I do. No more Windows here (well in Winboat but that's just a VM)
This is what I’ve done. Crash rate is high. Performance is degraded. Windows still involved, just hiding.
Here you go
https://github.com/mrshmllow/affinity-everywhere?tab=readme-ov-file