Windows 12 release date in 2026 possible, with AI features that may force CPU upgrades
3d 4h ago by lemmy.world/u/commander in technology from www.notebookcheck.net
Windows 12 could be another costly upgrade for supporters of Microsoft operating systems. A new report reveals that the AI-dominated OS will require AMD and Intel CPUs with a dedicated NPU. Possibly surfacing in late 2026, the follow-up to Windows 11 may also rely on subscriptions.
remember when windows 10 was supposed to be the last os they ever made
Dude, they're still struggling with Windows 11 adoption because of the unreasonable requirements of a TPM 2.0 capable motherboard/CPU... and they are asking people to upgrade their CPUs again?
They only started seeing real growth in Windows 11 numbers as of January of this year. Windows 11 finally hit 73% last month while Windows 10 is down to 27%. Linux continues to gain marketshare, and there's no telling if the reason that Win 11 is finally gaining marketshare is from people dumping Windows entirely for other options. Mac and Chromebook shares have been growing as well! It took Microsoft four and a half years from release to break 50% Win 11 adoption and they want to release Win 12 on year five while forcing more upgrades when half the people who got in just upgraded?
This on top of trade wars, actual wars, and an AI arms race that is making buying PC parts obscenely overpriced... and they think people will fucking go for this?
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds. Even businesses won't want to upgrade this soon after many only just making upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements just recently.... because businesses are also facing the same increased costs due to the above issues!
god i hope they fuck this up
They're already fucking this up with vibe-coding Windows 11, so if they seriously go all-in on this, Windows 12 will be a bigger disaster than fucking Windows Vista and Windows Millennium Edition combined.
...and frankly, I think they will. They've bet the farm on this AI shit, and they need to force it into everything to justify it's fucking existence even though Copilot is the most dogshit out of all these dogshit generative AI systems.
vista was great on compliant hardware. w11 is very much not.
Right, but that's just it, they're basically pulling another Vista if they release Windows 12 later this year.
It’s not clear whether Windows 12 will welcome any non-NPU processors. More likely, PCs that don’t meet its system requirements will lose some functionality.
As the article reasonably posits, it's way more likely that they'll just degrade the experience for people without NPUs, which in other words means decreased performance on older hardware, a la Vista on non-compliant hardware. Yes, Vista fucked up rollout by claiming that some hardware was Vista ready when it wasn't, but basically the same could happen here regarding lack of NPUs.
whoof. i still don't understand what makes an npu different from a vector coprocessor (except the proprietary api) so if they're smart about it they'll fall back to gpu use. they will not be smart about it.
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds.
Yes. They are stupid and don't deserve their huge paychecks.
They could've done basically nothing. Maybe security updates. And they would've had a decent brand that kept bringing in money. Their leadership is worse than doing nothing. A dog would make a better ceo.
Wish granted (wiggles nose)
The OS desktop environment has stagnated over the past 15 years.
Many businesses have transitioned from a 3-4 year rotation on desktops/laptops to every 5-6 years today. Hell my work laptop is 6 years old and I don't forsee replacing it for another 3-4 years. For work functions there is no significant improvement to upgrading more frequently today.
So if they launched W12 next year, widespread adoption will likely not occur until 2032-2033 or at the Win11 EOL whichever comes first.
The developers today are working on a system that will not become mainstream for 8+ years. They want to launch in the next 2 years knowing it will not be adopted for years.
They ignoring the reality of today's market and building to meet the latest fads. It's Windows 8 all over again.
Yeah, most peoples needs have largely plateaued IMO.
I think it is why AI (Mostly just LLMs) have gotten so much hype. It's something different. Desktop environments aren't going to get much better. Mobile phones have been black rectangles for a decade with very little improvement. AI is something new, and feels like an advancement, even if 99% of the proposed use-cases have failed to actually work.
This the money comment IMo
Chromebook sales are up
So we're not out of the woods yet
Windows 7 was arguably the last OS they ever made.
This line of thought goes all the way back to NT, and even then IBM would have some comments.
DOS was the last one they built, and they made a really decent GUI for it before they switched to NT.
And they still haven't even finished making PowerShell anywhere near as functional as Bash or any other Linux shell environment. First version of PowerShell came out exactly 10 years after the first version of NT.
I don't outright hate PowerShell but it's clearly a hacky afterthought after realizing Linux was eating their lunch in the server space via quick rollouts to thousands of computers at once through Bash scripting.
I find PS pretty great. Probably the best improvement to Windows since going 32-bit.
For sure, it's a vast improvement, but there's still so much you can't do with it.
Mostly because unlike Bash and DOS, which are CLIs that get GUIs slapped on top, PowerShell is a CLI slapped on top of a GUI.
I disagree, you can do almost anything with powershell. There isn't always an exact command for it, but like 95% of Windows configuration lives in the registry. If you know what to change, you can make powershell manage any setting. Which is similar to the way that Bash controls Linux, through modifying config files.
I do wish they had more/better tools for configuring the OS, but it works pretty well if you know the arcane magic of Windows.
And when it comes to being a functional script, I'd take powershell over bash any day. That's preference, obviously, but objects instead of strings makes it way easier to move data from one process to another.
Wasn't 7 just an visually updated NT.
everything after w2k is NT. by kernel version, its
- NT4: 4.0
- 2000: 5.0
- XP: 5.1
- Vista: 6.0
- 7: 6.1
- 8: 6.2
- 8.1: 6.3
- 10: 10.0
haven't checked 11 but i bet you they bumped the major again.
You skipped vista, XP, and 2000.
Windows 10 arguably became passable for stability about 3 years after release... but you still had to cut out the advertising bloat, spyware, and all which undermined any gains of stability because that shit was just fucking annoying.
wasn't advertised as such though
No, because that was a shitty headline that mischaracterized an employee’s one-off statement and was then held up as gospel truth by the internet.
it was from a press conference where they said they were done with version numbers and that windows 10 would basically be supported forever. that's not mischaracterisation
It was from a low-level spokesperson’s statement at a press junket that the (then-current) internal versioning system was being abandoned.
It’s absolutely a mischaracterization.
i linked the junket in question.
It was certainly the last one that I voluntarily used.
Yes, like Arch but for windows
No, that is not what they said. Stop spreading this propaganda.
Absolutely, it was at the height of the "software as a service" phase and they were doing rolling updates for the Windows Insider program. For a hot minute they absolutely planned on it just being "Windows" from then on.
If you’re not ready to switch to Linux:
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT is supported until 2032, works great, contains almost no bloat, and is free to download and activate.
You can configure just about anything else you want or need using Chris Titus’ Power Shell Windows Utility.
Rufus is simple and easy to use for extracting the ISO to a USB drive, and has built in options for setting up a local account and automatically disabling telemetry options during installation.
Microslop is rabidly, desperately, sprinting-on-fire towards a closed mobile-style system paradigm, frothing at the mouth and glowing radioactive iridescent green with envy at Apple and Google’s silicon to application device and software ecosystem control. They want you to purchase the edge tensor hardware they need to run and train the LLMs and machine learning algorithms that will be used to analyze everything you do on your computer, perform deep learning recognition on every photo, video, and file on your hard drive, and securely export that model to themselves, advertisers, and the government at a premium, paid for by our tax dollars.
They’re burning down their own company to do it, that’s how bad they want it.
Be warned though that some installers will yell at you for not having a "compatible version of Windows". Its rare, but some apps don't like the enterprise editions.
My brother used to use enterprise windows 10 until he started having that vary issue with trying to play COD.
Damn, I guess he can't play the same game that's been rereleased annually for 20 years then huh. What a bummer
Iv already started seeing games with older versions of BE and EAC say consumer windows 10 isn't supported any more and not working.
Trying to stay on windows 10 and be a gamer is quickly going to become a nightmare with more compatibility issues then Linux.
At this rate we'll need a Wine/Proton that runs on Windows to allow you to run Windows software.
I haven't experienced this with years of Enterprise use, but back when I was on Win 7 LTSC until its very end, I did get yelled at that my Windows was too old, even if it was still under official support. But then again I suppose devs don't expect people to try to run games on heart monitors or industrial equipment xd (or whatever else LTSC is intended for)
I'm banking on the world ending before then. Or I get an incurable cancer. Either way, fuck Microsoft.
Or I get an incurable cancer.
So you are planning to upgrade?
I know, right! How can they expect to die from incurable cancer when we've got all the world's compute devoted to curing it?
Damn dude... Cancer over Linux?
I got Linux, but like I have some OSs that rely on ancient shit I can't get my addicted ass off of
Have you given ReactOS a try?
ReactOS is a free, opensource reimplementation of windows https://reactos.org/
Damn, a somewhat disenshittified Windows that still has support??
It's the barest of bones. I use it for one of my consulting machines in the times I'm forced to run windows.
I use W10 Enterprice IoT LTSC for everything. Mainly for gaming. No problems at all, though I play single player games only.
To shreds you say?
Me: Using 11 year old PC. Originally rjnning Windows 7. Now running ZorinOS.
I don't particularly like linux, but.....
looks at Windows 10...11.....now 12....
Yeah, fuck that dumpster fire.
Congratulations for saving yourself from Winslopshitification
As long as you are not blasting away on random sites downloading every link you see then you are pretty safe. The old days of a hacker getting into your PC because you forgot to update your firewall are kind of gone.
Wrong on a ton of levels.
You can get infected by drive-by malware. It's actually quite common. Zero interaction required on your part.
Running an outdated operating system or software like a browser makes you even more susceptible to this
You can, but that doesn't mean you will. Unless you're raw dogging your pc fully exposed on the internet there's no way for malware to go to you, you have to go to it.
You can pick up malware from a website or an advert on a website. You can pick it up by a friend bringing an infected device and attaching it to your home network. You can pick it up from a phishing link or attachment. You can run an IoT device that downloads malware and propagates it to other machines on your network. You can install a dodgy app on your phone. You can run an application that has a chain of dependencies down to some obscure backdoored library (xz). You can run software that downloads automatic updates and whose update server was compromised (Notepad++) or whose signing certificate was compromised. You can be the victim of a sophisticated supply chain attack (SolarWinds was corporate but it could happen to any complex software). Those are just the first few that spring to mind. And you can pick it up because someone else in your family did any one of these things or many others.
Malware isn't just for people who do obviously dangerous things like downloading cracks and keygens. There are many vectors for it to get in.
I've had a Win 7 running for 12 years as a media server, never once been hacked.
ISPs and even old school Win 7 to Win 10 OSs have the old ports blocked by default that prevent "drive-by malware".
What you are talking about is the equivalent of a Boogeyman that only exists because people are stupid about what they open up or install or allow to control their firewalls. Your points even prove that.
You can open a Netscape browser on Windows 95 and not get hacked. But of course you believe opening a browser opens you wide up so just ignore what I say.
You can open a Netscape browser on Windows 95 and not get hacked.
Makes sense, you wouldn't be able to use 99% of today's sites anyway due to not supporting TLS.
i agree with you,some people are just paranoid.
It's not paranoia but verifiable fact...
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Modern day threats are not always visible like your computer flashing naughty stuff on your screen or overtaking your computer. Those exists but it's more about surveillance and control of information.
Especially when companies like Google, Apple and Microsoft are in on it. US and Israel probably already get your files, but if you don't update, Russia, China, and North Korea will probably will set up shop inside your PC.
So they're going to try to get everyone to buy new hardware when there is a shortage of ram and storage and they are ridiculously overpriced.
The timing of this couldn't be worse.
Pass the popcorn.
"Don't worry about that, you can just run it in the cloud for an eternal subscription" - Microslop.
Or just spend a couple of months of growing pains slowly switching everything over to Linux and spend all that cash on something fun.
Real men of genius
It's probably apart of their internal strategy.
"Look, the consumer doesn't want to buy hardware anymore... so let's make Windows a cloud OS only! Subscription model and all! They'll love that!"
Foreshadowing: we will hate it and either buy Macs or use Linux.
Its not enough for me to see linux do better. Microslop needs to suffer.
I check the stock markets daily just waiting for that fkn line to drop even further.
Sloperating System
Petition to call Microsoft employees Sloppy Joes
One of my 2 PCs already switched to linux because of mandatory TPM 2.0 for windows.
It's like they want us to leave their ecosystem. Requiring hardware changes in the middle of a major component crisis, one that they are in no small part responsible for, is certainly a choice.
when one understands the unified and singular nature of existence, its easier to see how the greed driving the actions of those in power is also the necessary call for others to respond. with the call getting louder and more extreme, many are waking up to the truth of their reality. anyone hoping life will go back to normal will not survive the transformation, only those who embrace change as a necessary growth opportunity to overcome darker elements of our collective culture and experience. for example, we all understand the sickness if an individual pedo, but we have yet to fully expose and understand the breadth of the affliction. It will continue to reveal itself like an infected wound that can no longer be ignored and must be treated. so yes, they do want us to leave their platform only they don't know it and they will only inspire a better one to be built with a purpose beyond individual gain. The enshitification is a blessing.
I think I'm too sober for this shit.
Brother, I hope so.
I feel like this is something the autistic brain notices a lot, and may regular folks not so much.
However, newer processors with dedicated Neural Processing Units (NPUs) reduce strain on cloud servers and GPUs. As a result, PCWorld believes that CPUs, including Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI chips that support 40 TOPS or more, will become mandatory
in other words, your pc will be doing ai shit for someone else's pc while you are idle
They couldn’t afford enough electricity to run it in-house so now they just run a mandated botnet to make you pay for it instead. If this isn’t a page out of a George Orwell novel, it should have been.
2026 even has newspeak in the form of bullshit like "unalive"
That's called algospeak.
Didn't Microsoft try that one before?
AI@home baby!
I called it many years ago.
Wish I found somebody dumb enough to bet money against it. I'd be, like, dollars richer maybe.
That's not at all what that means, nor does it make any sense.
Windows is already occupying your hardware and network with "telemetry". I would be surprised if telemetry overhead alone was all that was needed to burden modern hardware and yet when i boot into windows those fans never shut up.
don't forget to subscribe to our AI for $$/month, Microslop probably
I'll take this as a sign to continue converting as many of my friends and family to whichever Linux distro fits them best.
Honest question. As someone who has used and loved MacOS for many years, what would be the best Linux distro for me?
Stick with MacOS, Apple isn't shitting the bed nearly as hard as MS(lop). If you really want to switch, Mint is nice as a starter, and Bazzite, while intended for gaming, is mich, much more solid than I expected and is totally usable as a daily driver.
For a new user, the most important things are usually a familiar feeling desktop environment, comprehensive default hardware support, and plenty of documentation in case you need it. The most important anti-things are needing to learn a bunch of new concepts right away, needing to use the command line, and experimental things that are known to break regularly.
Since you’re a Mac user, I would suggest KDE over Gnome for a desktop environment. Even though the default Gnome application bar looks very Mac-like and the default bar on KDE looks very windows-like, the rest of the KDE desktop feels much more Mac-like.
For the rest, you will want to use a common distro with a wide user base and a long history targeted at desktop users.
For those reasons, I would suggest either Kubuntu, or Fedora KDE.
Edit: When picking between those two, choose Kubuntu is you want to install the OS, and then not worry about major updates for several years. Pick Fedora if you want to have new features more often.
If you are ok with a more Windows-like desktop environment, Linux Mint is the go to option for an easy intro to Linux.
elementary os.
If you're used to the UI and UX of Mac OS and not Windows then almost any distro will be rough. There's Elementary OS that at surface level looks like Mac OS, but then you use the actual Linux programs and they're just Linux programs.
They haven’t even gotten everyone into 11 yet. They are tossing out another OS? Seems, dare I say, sloppy.
They've always done this. People are still using XP two decades post release, and a decade past it's EOL.
@oh_ @commander it was the same with me, vista, 8... until now was version ok, version shit, version ok again... I suspect it will become version shit from now on... with games working on linux good luck getting the ones that are lefting going back
How can anyone upgrade to a new PC when there is no Ram or hard disks available? This is a crazy time to try to push that.
Making windows worse, AI, and forced CPU upgrades in this economy? There really is something for everyone to hate here.
With what silicon? Every business already invested in upgrades, try to do it again now with RAM as unobtainium? lol, LMAO even.
You'll get an affordable dumb terminal with SaaS subscription and ID check.
Yes please!
I could use a few more modern tiny/mini/micros to make into useful Linux boxes.
Good luck with that shit.
I guess I'm no longer ever going to play a video game that runs on Windows. At some point game developers need to realize that Linux is the future of gaming if Windows keeps pulling this shit.
That's what Proton is for.
Proton works great. I now play all my windows-"only" games on Linux.
Not out of principle. I'm just lazy. My coding laptop is always within reach and Proton works. The Windows laptop is, like, way over on the other side of the living room and I don't feel like spending the evening disabling more ad shit or ai shit or whatever they did to Windows since I used it last.
I have 100 or so steam games. Each one that I've tried (around 20 so far), all of them work perfectly well on my Linux box.
Except for games that use kernel level anti-cheat.
Which won't matter at all once they start losing market share to Microsoft's stupid decisions. The world will not sit on its thumbs because of Fortnight players. And good riddance in any case.
You mean the shitty games? Oh no...
Correct. I don't care about any of those games, but people who do will have to stick with Windows for those.
proton is just emulating windows games,it needs windows to exist.
Confidently incorrect.
you mean correct
You might want to look up how Proton actually works? Proton doesn't need Windows. It doesn't emulate the games either, it doesn't emulate hardware in some way. It isn't a copy of Windowsrunning inside Steam or something.
It's a compatibility/translation layer, translating the API calls from the games into calls that will work on Linux, on demand as they occur.
No Windows install needed.
But you really sold your confidence! A for showmanship! 👏
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
This is the Year of the Linux Desktop.
I'm trying :( but they don't work well enough on my stupid machine
Post to the appropriate community, someone will help.
I've tried :( just seems it's not possible
I must say, I am very curious about your system now. Feel free to send me a message if you want some help.
Oh, I just have a surface pro 7. Since it's microslop-build, getting the touch screen and pen to work properly might be impossible, since I couldn't get it to be good enough even with the linux-surface-kernel, and have not really found any hope online. As my main use for the thing is art, rendering it useless just to get it on linux isn't exactly something I want... :(
I kinda gave up for now and switched to win10 since I don't enjoy distro hopping. I might just have to wait until the linux-surface-kernel evolves to be more compatible or I find some solid confirmation someone has managed to make the thing work perfectly with a distro...
surface pro 7 Oof, some of those surface devices have been especially painful to get working (or impossible in some rare cases). I did just see this which is an active project and may end up being helpful if you try again https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface
Yeah... :( I got this before win11 was a thing, but had there been other viable options for what I needed, I wouldn't have bought anything microsoft-made in the first place
Can i flawlessly run Photoshop, mine raft java, FFXIV, steam and all games, Media player classic. Music bee without having to deal with work around and terminal garbage as easy as I can windows? No, I thought so, I'll come back once I can use the things I use daily without an issue and without having to install 6 different things to make stuff work
Ubuntu is neat the few times I used it though.
OK, then stay a corpo slave if you chose so
Windows is only "easy" because you're used to it. Coming to it fresh, windows 11 is such a shit show sometimes.
Minecraft works on Linux,
FFXIV works on Linux (it works on the steam deck which runs Linux, so it will work natively just like in windows),
Steam itself works on Linux just the same.
win11 is a shitshow coming from win10
Freedom isn't for everyone I guess.
I was warned the Linux community would be harsh even if it's just sarcasm.
We're a welcoming bunch for those who want to be welcomed lol
I do and don't. I want the stuff I use to work and I want a seamless transition as is going from android to iPhone or windows to mac. But this is all dependent of what distro I use and what my uses are. Which is what makes Linux so unique and great versus windows having bloatware hell and 3 versions which are all basically identical plus AI slop.
I do and don't.
Well you can't have both 1 and 0. And it seems like you are choosing 0.
You have your demands but part of moving to Linux is accepting things will be different. Mostly in a better way, but you'll also not have everything from your Windows experience. Sitting around waiting for Photoshop to come to Linux, you'll be sitting until retirement and beyond.
You could always dual boot? Or run Windows in a VM for when you need Photoshop.
I just partitioned my drive thinking I might need windows for occasional tasks. I spend 99% of my time in Linux. I've only switched over a few times really just to organize old things. I'll likely eventually just do away with windows to free up the space. I don't really spend time in the console and spend less time solving issues in linux than I did in windows. For a lot of things, stuff just works.
Would you also claim the diesel cars are worthless because you can't use regular gas in them? No, I thought so
Photoshop is trash.
Minecraft works just fine (it's Java for crying out loud)
Steam works natively. Valve's most popular hardware device runs Linux.
Media player classic
You want to use a garbage Windows built-in application on Linux?
without having to deal with work around and terminal garbage as easy as I can windows?
Two things here;
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You can get around on Linux without a terminal
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The terminal is king in functionality
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Windows requires a command line for many things also, this isn't a Linux only thing
If you come to Linux expecting it to work like Windows and run all Windows applications, then you're setting yourself up for failure with bad-faith expectations.
Photoshop is trash.
Krita is simply great.
Media player classic is not window Media player. Windows Media player is trash.
Photoshop might be trash (all of Adobe is, greedy little leeches), but it's what I've been using it for like 22 years now and I've tried to use gimp but it's just not the same, same with krita.
I know steam and MC work, I was just listing stuff I use, I think music bee might even have a Linux version, and he'll Linux might even have something better than Music bee. It usually does for media players.
I never insulted Linux, I have no idea why people act like I do. Maybe me choosing I ubuntu might be insulting, but Linux having 6k options for me to pick is my own choice.
You literally insulted Linux tho...?
I used to use mpc-hc so I feel you, but I did just check their site and it literally has a banner saying "MPC-HC is not under development since 2017. Please switch to something else." mpv is pretty good.
music bee is a bit trickier. There are roughly 5000 music players for linux and they all seem to have every feature you want except for one. Sayonara came the closest for me, I haven't used it recently so maybe its better now but all I found it lacking was some smart playlist stuff.
the thing is that if you are fresh gnu/linux guy there's usually a store app where you can install software with no problems at all and as you get more familiar with gnu/linux you can start digging that terminal stuff
and those apps you said really sucks...
This right here is what's keeping me from switching to Linux for now. My work PC is also my gaming PC. I need to run Adobe InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop flawlessly for work, and online games for leisure.
I checked out alternatives, and while Photoshop has a few that are decent, InDesign and Illustrator alternatives are really not there yet for professional use. (Also Adobe programs are reportedly broken af when ran on Wine/etc., and I don't have 2 GPUs to run them on virtual machine.)
As for gaming, one of my daily driver games is Genshin, and I don't want to risk getting banned bc I run it via some obscure launcher from GitHub that also makes the game crash on some new releases. Outside of Genshin, according to ProtonDB only 51% my Steam library is Platinum or Gold compatibility, 10% are various levels of broken, and 39% has no Linux support information.
These barriers tend to get dismissed by Linux users, but they do exist, and are probably barriers to others too. With a Windows 10 Enterprise install from massgrave then clamped down with O&O Shutup, I get rid of Microsoft's bullshit and get an OS that I know can run all of my programs without problems. (At least for the next few years lol, until Win10 ends all support.)
For now, this setup works better for my needs, but I'm eagerly awaiting the time I can finally make the jump to Linux, and I find news like Photoshop installer being able to run on Linux and leaks that Genshin will get released on Steam (hopefully even on Deck) quite promising.
My work PC is also my gaming PC as well, but I've been on Linux full time for about 6 years. You do have some of the clear sticking points that won't work well. Photoshop is probably the only Adobe app that does work well, because there has been such interest for a long time, but the newest versions specifically fight you. I suspect that newer versions (which professionals are usually using) have been intentionally hobbled by Adobe to prevent their use. Genshin Impact is one of the few cases where there is absolutely no work around right now and I honestly have no idea why.
If your steam catalog is anything like mine (read: huge and been around a long time), I wouldn't focus so much on the percentages from SteamDB. We both know that we're not going back and playing most of those games from 15+ years that came in bundles :) I went through my games a while back and found that only about 5% of my catalog I would actually consider playing or re-playing wouldn't work. It does directly come into play when looking at new games to purchase, but the vast majority these days launch as playable or get there shortly after.
Hopefully one day you can escape.
you wouldn't believe this
https://youtu.be/watch?v=aaTvRDsdy0s
also, ubuntu is anything but neat
I know youre just trolling around, but wtf would you need mpc for?
All of the shit you wrote have equal or better alternatives outside of windows (inb4 religious ps nuts), but if youre a die hard fanatic for closed source apps that never will be ported by their developers, youre stuck with windows until your grave.
Have fun lol
I'm beginning to think this is all a conspiracy to try to kill Windows because Microsoft doesn't want to support a desktop OS anymore.
This is an excuse to build out AI, wreck the consumer electronics market, and sell us all dumb terminals that connect to their AI cloud, so they can monitor and profile everything everyone does (including enterprise)
It's Clippy all over again, but with the AI slop it's now named Drippy.
My theory is that all these CEOs in charge of all these companies that are incorporating AI are being gaslit by the AIs. I mean, has anyone ever met an actually strong minded and intelligent CEO? It's probably really easy.
I've had a similar suspicion actually, but it's also possible they're on some incomprehensible level of incompetence.
To people in the real world, it sure seems like it. I think the people managing the product (middle management on up) live in their corpo bubble so far from reality, they don't feel/hear or have to deal with actual state of things.
Short term profitability over all else seems to be the mantra.
Are they loosing money on the OS? I don’t believe for a second that the capitalist company chooses less capital. But, maybe they’ve determined there’s more capital in less market share? What’s your theory, exactly?
Make it infeasible to run Windows on your personal machines by limiting how long you can use the hardware, but conveniently support it as a cloud vm service that is always guaranteed to work with a monthly subscription.
Subscription fees plus the double dip into selling bulk licensing of your thin client to companies who make computers.
I don’t believe for a second that the capitalist company chooses less capital.
But what if it very slightly makes next quarter's numbers go up? Any future cost might be worth that, after all.
God it feels good to be Windows free by this point.
I still have clients refusing to buy Office 365 subscriptions and insist on sticking with their old copies of Office 2016. I'd love to see how Microsoft is gonna convince those cheap fucks that this is the correct path forward. This OS is dead.
It may not even be them being cheap, just that most people/organisations not directly tech-focused simply aren’t inclined to update software. Like wearing clothing until it starts to fall apart. That trend is another nail in the coffin
To be honest offline Office 2016 is a solid product and the desktop software is still more snappy and capable than the online counterparts. If you don't need collaboration and online integration there's little reason to go subscription based. I can understand that small companies make that decision. After all it is just a tool and not a goal in itself.
2016 is like the last good version of office imo
IIRC, it had already started taking too much RAM.
I had to upgrade from 8GB to 16GB just to be able to open more than 4 documents at once,
Those folks get left behind. That's how it works
You can still buy Office 2024 outright. I guess they got rid of professional, but who really wants to use Access?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/buy/compare-all-microsoft-365-products
There’s also the github scripts which you can use to activate office
I’d love to see how Microsoft is gonna convince those cheap fucks that this is the correct path forward
I suspect we're going to see some kind of sweeping compatibility issues in the next few years. Possibly a really ugly virus rips through the business community to scare people into switching.
I hope one OEM finally buckles and starts selling laptops preconfigured to install and run older versions of Office and such in Wine.
OEMs are in a tough spot. crossing Microsoft risks serious blowback or even being cut out of the ecosystem entirely
Absolutely, but this whole Windows 365 thing puts their place in the ecosystem in complete jeopardy. Why would MS need them anymore, they have Azure, the OS, and the AI bullshit. I truly do hope one of the more desperate OEMs takes a chance and tries, though I know it is unlikely.
Well thats a stupid plan. Microsoft has lost their minds with Windows
For consumer grade yes, I look forward to seeing more people choose anything else (even Apple). For enterprise, lol, they have every Dell or HP house in the world by the balls. Atleast they ensured system admins have more job security (not lime that was in short supply anyway)
The funny thing about this is that the biggest customers can't usually just switch. If a system is set, it is set for decades, generations or the entire company lifetime.
So microslop may start feeling part of the impact way further along the line, and wouldn't be able to do shit about it
Kind of, same assholes trying to replace us with AI.
Not you entirely- they'd just like to replace your currently functioning mind with one that can only regurgitate factual inaccuracies while continuing your subscription.
For all the people on here quick to mock others for being gullible enough to fall for AI-generated slop, this is embarrassing.
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/no-an-ai-focused-windows-12-is-not-coming-this-year-false-report-gets-the-facts-completely-wrong
Quite surprised that they are pushing that, seeing as one of the biggest obstacles for Windows 11 getting adopted was that a lot of the existing hardware didn't support the TPM requirements it put in place.
Doing it again so soon seems like a recipe to make people not want to use 12 at all. After all, Windows 11 works fine for them, why change so soon?
Calling it: win12 will have a thin client cloud hosted SaaS edition, for those who can't afford new ai-priced hardware.
I'd bet on that as well. It is big tech's master plan.
Good, keep killing your own OS and forcing people to alternatives.
I love how short sighted they are.
the thing is, alternatives need to be able to cater also the tech illiterate. Otherwise we will have growing number of people that will just accept all this bullshit and eventually start to view more free systems with suspicion(after some propaganda from corporations), which might lead to pressure to limit/restrict those free systems in personal usage.
We really need a distro that we can recommend to some grandma who can barely open their pc by themselves and which they can use easily and safely. Since most people use pc for mostly browsing and maybe printing,text editing, i think it shouldnt be too hard to make something that is easy to use since you can leave majority of functions off and mostly have to think of ease of use/automation.
Windows is not a simple OS to use. The matter isn't to make a distro simple enough for the tech-illiterate to use, but one familiar enough for their habits to still work. And given it took two years for my mother to understand the floppy icon on libreoffice save the same way as the one in Works 3.0, it's not exactly a simple problem to solve.
Agree, Windows 11 is now harder to use now than Linux distro like Mint. Just to setup, you have to create a Microsoft account and if you want to skip that, then you have to put commands in powershell or use rufus to disable all that.
And don’t get me started on forced restarts for updates, the abysmal S0 modern sleep implementation, and so many more. I have to use gpedit.msc just to fix these issues. I think the only reason why Windows still has such a high market is because of enterprise agreements and that it’s pre-installed on every PC laptop.
I love how short sighted they are.
That might not be the case.
Ever since Windows 8, MS seems to be shifting the bar for what users will keep using Windows each version. This should get all but the most compliant ones out of their system.
Next, they might have multiple time bombs in the Linux ecosystem. xz might have just been a POC.
So what we might have here:
- Keep all easily surveillable people on the system and tighten the leashes.
- Use the multi-point security compromisations all over the Linux ecosystem at opportune moments before they are caught, robbing the users of their systems in some shape or form.
- I feel like they might have had to speed up their plans due to the reduced control they would have from RISC V proliferation.
- -- a. Use the opportunities from step 2 to neutralise HVTs and do whatever they want from those who become powerless (jobless/moneyless).
Didn’t they jest release windows 11?
Didn't they once allude to windows 10 being the last windows because no more revisions were necessary
No, media did say that at over point, but it was never based on any announcement from Microsoft.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340
It came from the mouth of a Microsoft executive, and Microsoft followed up with a statement saying they were moving Windows 10 to a service model.
You are in luck, I already explained this very article! Copy pasting my old comment below:
Notice how even the article you linked doesn't give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying "last version" without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft developer what they are currently working on, and the answer was:
”Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”
It is obvious from context "last version" meant "latest version" here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.
And this was an answer to an audience question in a "Tiles, Notifications, and Action Center” presentation by a single Microsoft employee, on a developer conference. The absolute last place to look for a ground-breaking announcement about Microsoft's future.
The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10.
And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?
"There will be no Windows 11," warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner.
There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn't work at Microsoft.
And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates and a service model being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions, but that's what the article attempts to imply.
Modern journalism is useless. Someone made up a thing, everyone else copied it. And not a single media outlet actually asked Microsoft about it. No one. Or maybe they did, but the answer meant there is no news, so let's ignore it.
Thank you! After reading that I'm surprised Microsoft didn't issue a statement to clarify, but I guess of all the rumours to run wild, it was fairly innocuous.
At least we've got AI to help with journalism now. /s
They’ve been saying that since XP
tbf XP was peak
no garbage just ran your programs
XP SP3.
And it's still available.
Didn't they say 640k was enough?
No, windows 11 has been out for like 5 years now.
Oh, well it sucks and I don’t use it.
Same. Switched my personal machine to Mint instead of "upgrading" to 11. I have to use 11 for my work device, and it's not hyperbole to say that it gets worse every single week.
Yeah... my machine got so slow and with every update breaking something new I had to "downgrade" to win10 (I'm aiming for linux, but no luck :( so far, at least). Now everything magically works again
Linux.
If vibe-coding is wrecking Windows 11 and Office now ... just wait until Windows 12 sees the light of day! Ohhh boy, will that ever be some infinite-monkeys-on-typewriters-shite!
So I've got a wacky conspiracy theory about this and all the hardware shortages, ai datacenters, etc. The tech companies are trying to position themselves for "cloud only computing devices" being the only affordable option for most people. The you'll own nothing and like it model.
This is their wet dream, but I'll never participate.
Edit: I don't participate now. I pay for no subscriptions, no streaming services, and I use no cloud services. Oh, and I'm now completely Microsoft-free since October last year.
One of us, one of us!
So I’ve got a wacky conspiracy theory
Hardly, the writing's on the wall.
Ive seen this said a lot here lately, but like, cloud computing still requires computer hardware, so shouldnt an increase in hardware prices make that more expensive as well?
They aren't gonna make it free, your still gonna have to pay and likely more in monthly service/rental fees and hardware. If my theory is correct, they want you to settle for less while they control the hardware, host all the services, manipulate all the data and surveil everyone's movement and conversations. All this made easier with a central hub cloud computing the plebes are forced into due to manufactured scarcity.
Chromebooks are/were a thing and Micro$lop has windows on arm devices.
no. cloud computing will simply never happen.
Microsoft can do whatever. I'm not coming back.
CPU upgrades? What CPU's? Are the CPU's in the Microcenter with us, Microsoft? Can you show us on the shelf where the mystical CPU's are?
Is the shortage a mirage? Our imagination?
What is the charge? Installing a CPU? A succulent x64 CPU? Gentlemen, this is supply side economics manifest!
And you sir, is your motherboard socket waiting to receive my CPU?
Wasn't 10 the last windows?
I guess they're really pushing You'll own nothing and be happy, soon they'll sell TMP/SecureBoot-locked dumb terminals for the masses (with id check of course).
Fuck that and fuck Microslops pick me CEO.
I know Lemmy is a Linux echo chamber. But also, I feel like people did actually managed to move to alternative OSes or stay on Win10 cause they were fed up with NoPilot on win11.
Also, once Steam Machine is released, that probably will boost migration to the skies.
I may have been on lemmy for a while, but I only got seriously into linux for like 2 months. Part because I am fed up with the AI/advertising bullshit in recent Windows, part because of end of support for my hardware. So, that definitely happens.
My previous personal desktop linux attempts were like early 00s and didn't last long so I don't think I'm officially part of the cult yet. I work with linux, I tinkered a bit with RasPi debians, but it's the first time I am really considering it for my all purpose PC.
I still have a PC on W11. I am not in a hurry to convert it, because there is still stuff stucked on windows that I don't expect will be easy to replace. Like Virtual Desktop.
Yeah I switched two years ago after trying and going back like 7 years prior. My first try was during a time I was using a lot of propertarian software, gaming on Linux didn't work, I wasn't prepared for the changes, and it didn't just work. I'd always wanted the freedom, but I'm not a programmer and most important for me was that things work. The recall bs and the floating of ads was what got me to switch, and I'm glad I did.
Time for Linux!
Way ahead of you. :)
only if my pc cant run windows 12. if it can then fuck linux
MSFT C Suite:
Upgrade? In this economy?!?
Microslop wants you to support nVidia and RAM manufacturers
No it will force operating system upgrades, as people switch to Macos or Linux
They can force upgrade themselves in the ass.
The only thing I'm looking forward to more than the collapse of the AI bubble is Microsoft, specifically, eating shit at the hands of a public that doesn't want, need, or give two shits about them anymore. Just like Intel or whatever your favorite example is, see some fucking titan that thought they were some great titan, only to turn out to be Ozymandias when the whole fucking world looks up at them and shrugs. Like the end of the Truman show when this massive, all-consuming industry of a production comes crashing down in an evening, and the television viewers at home happily shrug and say, "what else is on?"
The word about Linux is out, and, as Snazzy Labs recently pointed out, Macs have accidentally become the best value in new computers. There are excellent non-Windows options for ordinary people who just do everything through a web browser and an office suite, for not much money all over the fucking place, and the day their greed catches up to them and they start to lose real market share is so close I can taste it.
This is an article, based on an article+AI that is based on an article, that cite NO SOURCE whatsoever. What are u even discussing about guys...
What are u even discussing about guys…
Doomerism
Never correct your enemy while they are making an error. :D
If it is AI based I guarantee it will be subscription based. That could push me over the edge to some Linux variant.
'member when Windows 10 was supposed to be the final version of Windows? I 'member.
No, I don't think I wil.
Linux
Lmfao Microslop stop trying to make Recall and Copilot and AI bullshittery happen. It’s not gonna happen.
it WILL happen,even if it takes ages to. AI is simply the future
Then shouldn't you be talking to a chat bot right now and not to humans?
i do talk to gemini often about tech,but its simply not advanced enough yet. misses some details
It will always miss some details because it is just fancy autocomplete.
It's like it's a gdang robot or something. I can't imagine have a full blown conversation with AI. It seems so damn depressing
It would be nice if we actually had AI, instead of LLMs and ML models to analyze your cloud uploads for god knows what
AI isn't the future, it's the IoT of this decade.
Sounds like a sound plan Microslop!!!
So is Mint still the easiest distro? I think I'm switching for good this time.
If they do this, they are going to be laughed out of the room. But then they will announce end of life for Win11 and everyone will stop asking questions and move anyway because "Linux scary".
I hate reality.
They'll put an affordable dumb terminal on the market like those Google PCs.
You'll own nothing.
How much longer will corporate buyers keep taking this?
The enterprise editions don't seem to attract all of the bloat that home and pro editions get. I think they know they can't get away with it.
Imagine using windows in 2026
Hopefully, SteamOS Desktop will be in the wild and shaked off any teething issues. I want to switch to an OS that is suitable for a power-casual. If it looks like a 2nd American Civil War or WW3 is on, I might switch early to Cachy.
Sloppy slop MicroSloppitySlop
No
Man, Microsoft doubling down on the whole "Let's force most of our customers to purchase entirely new computers to use the next release!" strategy after it went so well for Windows 11 is just hilarious. Especially with hardware costs skyrocketing due to AI BS.
everyone switches to alternative OSes any%
After buyers invested in Windows 11 PCs, Microsoft may find it difficult to encourage early adoption. The motivation now is not security-related, but rather mandating previously optional AI-based features [....] Consumers may also not welcome rumored subscription-based plans for the OS. Still, the report suggests that additional costs are related to an improved Windows 365 cloud-based service [....]
Windows is a mandatory AI driven "" os "" that's leasing its features from cloud platforms. Sounds like corporate setups for home computers
mAIcroSlop 12
Me getting ready to buy their old CPU and put Linux on it:
MS would be wild to expect people to buy a new machine before 2036. Consumer prices aren’t going to magically fall.
Either this is incorrect info, a huge flop, or MS really doesn’t care if home users switch to Linux from all the cash flowing in from businesses.
I don't think businesses are going to be getting any CPU's to make new PC's during this shortage either. The average budget laptop cost has skyrocketed.
Fucking again?
Ikr? Didn’t we just do this?
it's been almost 5 years. That's longer than the time between every major version except for 10 -> 11.
Holy shit, you’re right. I guess I was thinking of 10’s EOL as the start of 11’s.
its a rumor not offical info. its bs ignore it
Jesus Christ.
The Microslop train doesn't stop. It doesn't falter. It doesn't slow.
Microslop gon give it to ya.
Oh my God they're gonna do it again? I'm so fucking giddy rn
So glad Win 10 was the last one for me.
It’s not clear whether Windows 12 will welcome any non-NPU processors. More likely, PCs that don’t meet its system requirements will lose some functionality.
They will lose some functionality, only if we accept that the slop features meet the definition of what makes a piece of functionality. They seem to not function quite a lot still.
Scuz me, I'm gonna go hug all my Linux boxes right now
More gear into the second market. Nice.
Y'all know this article is based on a fake article, right?
So a forced upgrade again? I don't understand why people put up with this still, apart from shitty Windows only software and even then, maybe it's time to try something new.
System76 makes nice Linux laptops.
Lmao, why would anyone want to buy more expensive hardware to run shittier software?
Having OS releases like this is just to appease computer manufacturing company's. And to force Microsoft's new AI trash.
Please do it. And end support for Windows 11 in 2027!
My moms pc is covered for some good time (google mas)
If you're having a good time with win 11 I want what you're smoking
I use linux dude, but my mother needs windows for her work
Can I have what your mother is smoking then?
To be fair Iot LTSC edition doesn't have the bloatware consumer editions have, for instance there aren't those stupid news widget sidebar thing or copilot. Also most people live in the real world, not this unix bubble we have here
This year Linux finally goes double digits... thnx microslop
They really want to lose users.
This is making it pretty obvious that they are literally trying to kill the PC as a concept.
they arent. cope harder
Fingers crossed they will go even further and make it even more intrusive than win 11, I pray for AI all over that thing
I just want to see Windows, and so many other layered-up legacy programs, refreshed. My other example is AutoCAD for a software that’s just half-finished garbage stacked on top of older half-finished garbage for a while until it’s all on top of a program that was designed for computers from the ‘90s.
Windows has other problems, of course, like how no matter how good their shit is they still have absolutely dogshit, anti-human behaviours, but still.
Anyway, someone else was saying the article might not even have any real sources but I wanted to rant about this so…hurray.
What is “Windows”?
what god opens when a door is closed
God sounds like a jerk. It's freezing out there.
Ohhh. I thought it was some computer thing.
You wish.
"Embrace ^ai Extend ^ai Extinguish ^own company"
Oh goodie! I mean, Windows 11 was hand-coded. Disgusting! Windows 12 will bring the vibes! It'll be the most vibe coded OS! (And probably the last when it tanks.) Think about it, AI is monitoring every action you do! Reporting to all it's masters and their business partners everything you do! Oh all the ads they'll send you, all the subscriptions they'll sell! Of course, it'll be always online else it can't fully use the datacenters.
I'm being mostly sarcastic (any "excitement" for it). I mean, it's probably going to have the worst performance since AI will be monitoring EVERYTHING and I really do expect it to be coded via prompts instead of talent. Microsoft and NVIDIA are already having massive issues with everything due to "AI" being used and they started with a working based code. 11 adoption was already bad and they made sure people knew 10 was dying so they could push the numbers... I don't recall any previous version of Windows getting that treatment.
Because the previous versions of windows were for the customer (you), and the current version of windows is for the product (also you).
CPU NPU requirements will mean longer support necessity for Windows 11.
If they go ahead with subscriptions, demand will certainly add additional demand for that. But I guess subscriptions would be to cover copilot cost. Given Microsoft's interest in people upgrading to eventually reduce support surface, I have to assume it will be optional, for AI features. Following that reasoning, the NPU requirement may be optional too, only applicable to the AI features block.
But who knows, the whole thing is not driven by reasonable business decisions anyway.
Also, I had no idea there was a "gaming copilot". Even after following links to the introduction news, I don't get what it really does.
I think it will be Copilot OS not Windows 12. They will kill Windows brand with Windows 11.
https://youtu.be/0cgbZqR2AGI
Newbies
https://linuxmint.com/
https://ubuntu.com/
Experienced
http://fedoraproject.org/
http://www.debian.org/
Advanced
https://www.kali.org/
http://www.archlinux.org/
Or just shop around. Its free and its better than windows
Also a raspberry pi with raspian is a great place to start for cheap. https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/
I'll have plenty of time to try it work, but I stop at 11 for personal use... long time coming but them putting a date on 12 means I now have my date to get off Windows altogether.
Y'know, if that's true… I can't afford a new computer. I just got one last year after almost a decade of using my last box. I was lucky that this one runs 11 - I'm not anti-Microsoft - I like Linux and Windows...... but I've been perfectly happy with 11 (maybe just lucky, but none of the problems I've heard others having).
But yeah, if this box won't run 12, I will be staying on 11 until I can't, and then that'll push me to Linux. I could switch now, jsut about, but a few little things that run better with Windows for me. But I could survive under Linux if I needed to.
Basically, I've never been a big Microsoft apologist, but man… that would kill it for me.
Not that they care. They care about corporate uses, not home users. Which is why you can find any number of ways to get your Windows for free these days. They gave up on the consumer market.
bs. it will accept non npu pcs,bec if they didnt they would lose all users in all of the world.
and it will be a great os and i will upgrade to it
it will be a great os
What will be great about it? 🤔
the ui