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This brilliant campaign from Quebec shows exactly what it takes to get motorists to actually yield

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I can already hear the carbrainrotten screaming "But thats dangerous, what if i run into it" as if the danger wasnt their own fault for going too fast and not yielding.

They might get a few scratches from those flimsy flexible plastics but it's not dangerous.

They'll definitely compassion about the possibility for scratches screaming, "that could damage my property!" though.

Make them metal bars that rise up, like those that are placed at the entrance of some stores to deter vehicular raid. That will quickly make them re-evaluate.

Bollards

Thank you! Learned a new word.

Yeah make them reinforced barriers.

I'd be more worried about them coming back down on pedestrians.

Yeah ofc this specific implementation was just supposed to be an art piece i guess. In practice you just have to use those concrete pillars or ramps that come out of the ground.

These are just for the ad. They don’t exist in the wild.

Yes of course, these would never hold up to any regulatory standards.

it's cute and all, but the real reason they don't stop is because the authorities aren't enforcing that law effectively. the places where people stop crosswalks do so because they'll get a ticket if they don't.

this may raise awareness, but won't change behavior in the long run.

when i lived more in the city and didn't own a car i would make hard eye contact with drivers when crossing. my logic was that if they kill me I'll at least haunt their dreams with that look.

You can do the same thing without cops more cheaply in the long run. Just raising the crosswalks to sidewalk height completely changes driver behavior, as it's both a speed bump, and it's clearly communicated that the crosswalk is the pedestrians' territory that the driver is crossing through.

We can deal with most of these issue through design rather than a threat of fines.

I'm curious how this impact snow plows. Every speed bump I've seen in the region I live in that gets a few feet of snow each winter will have little flags that should stick out over the snow to indicate to plows where they should lift up for a speed bump. I should look sometime to see how scratched to hell they are though to see if plows hit the bumps a lot

That seems pretty simple. Use the small snow plow that clears cycling lanes clear the raised sidewalk lengthwise, then have the snow plow that clears car lanes drive over it without being weighed down.

...you do have a snow plow for non-cars, right?

Right?

Also, more generally, building a 5-15 minute city means snow plows don't need to clear nearly as much area. A city built for people can afford to spend more time clearing pedestrian infrastructure and modal filters, because it's still less than clearing ten thousand kilometers of suburb.

With the reduced driving time for emergency services, you can even waste some time clearing a path ahead of them or having ambulance personnel walk, and keep side streets unplowed if the weather is right.

I wish my city had a plough for protected bike lanes. Instead when we were frozen for a few weeks, the bike lane was he "snow and ice collection area"

Cyclists have a name for that and I think it's something like "the life saving look". Usually used when changing lanes or at an intersection.

As a cyclist it was mainly for me to make sure the driver saw me.

As a pedestrian I do it were I am living nowadays when I'm about to cross the road on a pedestrian crossing, but that's mainly because around here people's behavior is mainly moderated by public shame and drivers tend to feel anonymous behind the wheel, so the point of looking at the other person rather than the car is to get them to feel seen and judged.

Can't be sure if this latter use of looking actually works, but the one I do as a cyclist definitely works and has saved me from accidents multiple times, for example from drivers coming from a side-street into a T-junction and not looking properly hence not seeing me on a bicycle coming towards them on the main street.

Motorcyclists have a name for that, it's "What the fuck you looked right at me!??". Usually used when a car is taking a left turn directly infront of a bike.

That's a very outdated view of traffic engineering and psychology. People (and animals in general) don't stop doing things in response to punishment unless they have a very high chance of expected punishment, way higher that any society could afford in case of traffic control.

If you want people to stop, you've got to build the infrastructure in a way that makes it psychologically natural to stop. Some paint on an otherwise Amercan road won't do shit. You've got to visually and physically narrow the space for drivers to make it uncomfortable or even damaging for them to pass through at unsafe speed.

That low speed is also slow enough that drivers don't feel like they're losing as much by stopping, making them feel like stopping for pedestrians is a lot more fair.

Look at Dutch traffic engineering standards for pedestrian crossings. They're a car-centric country that puts a lot of effort into getting cars everywhere in a relatively safe way.

Look at Dutch traffic engineering standards for pedestrian crossings. They’re a car-centric country

Are they now?

Yes. Amsterdam pays more money to build parking for 300 people in the middle of the city in 5 minutes' walk from a dozen tram stops with trams every 5 minutes and 5 minutes' bike from a train station with trains every minute than it does on its entire bicycle network in a year.

The gap isn't as big as in the US, but in the Netherlands cars still come first.

I'm not convinced it's all about enforcement. In Portland, Oregon, there's not much threat of enforcement but cars stop at the slightest hint of a pedestrian crossing anywhere. Not sure how they pulled it off but there it's a culture thing, not enforcement.

it’s a culture thing, not enforcement.

Yeah but then you can't bitch about cars in a car-bitching community.

Ah, the Kash Patel look...

If your traffic infrastructure requires a cop to stand there for it to work, it's shit infrastructure that's designed to fail.

Many drivers won't stop unless they're forced to by a physical barrier, and some still won't stop. Ever seen those videos from Europe of bus lane bollards that retract when a bus approaches and pop back up again after the bus passes, and the cars wrecked on them? Those are much more solid barriers than these plastic things.

I remember a driver on Reddit losing their shit about bus-lane modal filters - the kind that will wreck the underside of your car if you ignore all the signs and drive over them anyway. They could not imagine the cruelty.

Those plastic things are just for show, as part of the campaign, which is why the drivers seem surprised that they're there. They're not actually installed on any roads. But having them pop up as the car approaches if there's a pedestrian on the corner makes it obvious that the car needs to stop.

The drivers are actors, and the pedestrians probably are too. It would definitely be illegal to jump this sort of thing on drivers without their consent or knowledge.

Are you sure?

It’s cute but this is from the same province that would rather blame immigrant drivers for road fatalities than the failing, inconsistent infrastructure and terrible driver training.

In Montreal, the drivers are bad enough that turning right on red lights was banned because we couldn’t stop killing pedestrians.

As a headsup, pedestrian deaths at crossings is consistently higher in places where right on red is legal. It's not bad drivers, it's a bad law enabling bad driving.

Montréal never banned right on red.

No right on red was the default, then most of Canada enabled right on red in the 1970, but Québec did not. Québec later enabled right on red by default in 2003, but Montréal (island) retained no right on red.

And RToR is bad everywhere. We'veknow it for a long time, but have jsut collectivelydecoded the cost was worth it. Here's an article from Victoira in 1981 talking about it https://www.newspapers.com/clip/107821508/times-colonist-victoria-may-5-1981/

Thank you, I learn something new everyday 🚦

I stand by one of the greatest difficulties for everyone on/around the road in Montreal is that they don’t consistently follow traffic conventions accepted across the rest of the country (almost continent). Makes decisions less confident, less predictable and less safe across the board. I love their unique take in most other areas.

Makes decisions less confident, less predictable

Valid opinion, I'd be interested to see if there is some data to confirm or deny it. It's different than my experiences, but I did live and drive there, so obviously it comes with a bias.

and less safe across the board.

Incorrect. Montréal has a low collision frequency and low serious injury and fatal collision rate compared to most the country/contient.

Turning on right policy was never enabled in Montreal. And wtf you going on about blaming immigrant drivers? Source please, because this sounds like some divisive bullshit from the ROC.

Yeah literally every time Quebec is brought up people say shit like that it's insane

Maybe immigrants from the US. I'd believe that they could be worse drivers.

You’re literally the idiot the comment that you’re replying to is making fun of.

Definitely not my opinion about immigrant drivers being a major source of accidents …our elected officials on the other hand…

Québec restreint l’accès à la possibilité de conduire pour les immigrants

I mean, I might be wrong, but from a quick research, it seems that our program is still more lenient than (most?) other provinces. e.g. :

  • people from non-reciprocal jurisdiction can drive for 6 months with their permit from their country of provenance. Alberta is 90 days. Manitoba is 3 months.
  • Like in these provinces, you now gotta take a driver's test. If you fail, you get demoted to apprentice, not completely permitless. Sure, being an apprentice driver can be constraining - more or less depending on your situation - but it's not something that can't be remedied in the following year.

I am in no way knowledgeable of the intricacies of policies on the right to drive a vehicle, but from what I gather, it seems to all be pretty regular and taking into account data. Now, is the data good? I am not in a place to say, so if you're educated about that let us know what you find reprehensible in there.

And all that doesn't removes from the fact that our infrastructure is not properly maintained and developed, and hat many people in the province are not courteous drivers, in some region more than others (from my experience growing up outside of Montreal before moving to the city - where I come from, most drivers seemed to be motivated to make your life miserable).

Because Ontario doesn't test truck drivers, Quebec wanted to ban them.

On paper we test but it's really corrupt and companies are basically given x number of licenses.

I imagine this person took it to thinking they were mad that they are majority immigrants rather than living in Ontario and seeing how unsafe our roads have gotten.

Oh look. A canadian pissing on Québec just because. I've never heard a single person mention anything about immigrant driver.

Here in Denmark I can basically just jump in front of a moving car on a crosswalk (one without traffic lights) and if the car so much as touches me they risk losing their driver's licence.

I know The Netherlands is the same like that. Not sure about other EU countries.

In Germany I'd say in nearly all occasions cars would stop if I actively walk towards the crosswalk. If I just stand on the side and look and wait its not that uncommon that cars still don't yield even if they should

Same in Norway. The moment the walker puts a foot on the crossing they have the right of way.

Remember when at uni a exchange student from Luxembourg and one from Russia was discussing that one big cultural shock for them was how cars stopped at crossings in Norway. I drive quite a lot and its so ingrained in me to watch for walkers and to yield if they want to cross,

Yeah, it seems like if you even look like you might be approaching the crosswalk, the cars come to a halt in Germany.

In the USA, cars will actively run you over in the crosswalk and likely face no negative consequences.

It's important to note here, that in Germany (at least, the region where I live) you will fail the practical driving exam if you don't stop at a crosswalk with any pedestrian within about 5 meters, unless they are actively walking away from it.

I think overall German driver's education is significantly better (and much more expensive) than in the US.

It will be reformed soon tho. I hope they find the right balance between cutting costs and keeping good practices in driving education tho

Narrator's voice: They didn't.

Driver's education appears to be but one of many things that Germany does better than the USA. It is very difficult to fail a drivers test in the USA.

Makes me wonder then why crosswalks even exis in the first place in the US. Like then what's the point of them? Literally no difference to crossing the street at any other point which doesn't have a crosswalk. Would literally play out the same.

Crosswalks exist to limit where pedestrians are allowed to be.

In my experience it's comparable in Spain, if not slightly better

The French will try to run you over, and the Italians actively speed up when they see a pedestrian.

In the UK you actually do have to stop and people do even Audi drivers stop sometimes.

even Audi drivers stop sometimes.

This sounds outlandish, I'm not sure I believe you. What about BMW drivers? Don't tell me even they stop for pedestrians?

Outlandish is the idea of them using their turn signal.

"Using the turn signal is giving information to the enemy", every Audi and BMW driver ever.

BMW's in the uk are more like Hondas in the US, they're EVERYWHERE :)

Oh huh, they're more like Audis here in Finland

In the US, you can only get them to stop if you get hit. And that's only a maybe.

Pedestrians and bicycles aren't even second class citizens in the states.

In SEA, the vehicles don't stop, but they will try to go around you. So the key is to walk at a constant pace.

The graveyard is filled with people who had the right of way.

Only in countries that lack sever consequence.

It's the same where I live, and yet i have been almost run over twice in the last two weeks alone

Some places know their drivers and have some serious barriers popping up.

I kind want to see what that does to a car that doesn't stop. Probably rips their front wheels off

Just need a bigger car, then it's fine

Holy shit how many idiots had to turn themselves into pancakes for this level of barriers to be justified? Insanity.

There shouldn't be any barriers at railway crossings. Let natural selection win. Do we really want a future full of people who don't have the brains to give way to a train?

The barriers are to guard against the delays, traffic jams and paperwork a crash would cause.

And the trauma of the train driver hitting the car.

A car on the tracks can cause the train to derail, potentially killing many people.

Imagine if all painted infrastructure did this haha.

Right at the end there it shows a side effect of this installation that by itself is useful in bringing the cars to a reasonable speed when approaching the crosswalk every time, not just when there's a pedestrian: the crossing is raised.

Off the top of my head I can't remember how common raised crossings are in Montréal, but they are effective. This demonstration is quite fun though, I was expecting a bunch of body guards to pop out and create a wall across the roadway and the instant fence caught me off guard.

Just For Laughs gags meets traffic engineering.

Raised crosswalks weren't too common in most burroughs of Montréal when I left, but alternative road surfaces for slower zones we're gaining popularity.

I was expecting this to be the "carry a brick"-trick.

Carry a disability stick with a hard metal ball on the front. Hold it out in front of you and if they buzz you, their head lights get broken

My answer to this question is generally "Cement, the more the better."

Except that it will take much more than this to 'motivate' any car brain here to actually stop. Those stopping for pedestrian crossings here are the exception. So much so that some towns "don't know what to do" about it and ask pedestrians to wave orange flags to cross busy streets.

yellow box containing three bricks with a sign that says "BE SEEN Grab a Brick 1. Grab 2. Look 3. Wave 4. Cross"

That would have the exact opposite effect on me if i was driving but ok... in line with the subreddit i guess.

Carry a closed umbrella and hold it out in front of you as you approach the crossing.
This triggers the car brain's panic button, since it would scratch their paint if they hit it, which is much, much worse than endangering a human.

I had to calm myself down when I realized how right you were and how fucked up that is.

I'm sorry if this uncalms you again, but I find it hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0HBd_u-Fs
Really shows that drivers do see you approaching a crosswalk but just decide to ignore you, unless you equalize the power imbalance.

We have those where I live. Crosswalk compliance is decent here, but these don't get anyone to stop who wasn't going to stop anyway, and they get stolen all the time.

Carry a brick.

In France, these days, you lose your license. Period. I don't know what the results have been though, but I think it's a fairly good approach.

Man I remember when they used to take away peoples licenses in the USA. Good times. It’s like the only way you can get people to recognize that it’s a privilege and not a divine right is by taking it away.

They still do, after multiple DUI’s.

If you arent wealthy.

Sadly my youtube algorithm suggests that people with multiple DUIs have few moral qualms about driving without a license.

That’s probably what I’m noticing. Thanks for articulating the real problem

Or for owing money to the state for unrelated reasons.

Not in my state. DUI Dan is at large in Maine. We just all know to avoid him now. But he keep on going.

Spoken like someone never targeted by law enforcement in the US.

It was spoken like someone who made millions of dollars selling weed. Don’t break the traffic laws. Be discreet. Be polite if you get pulled over.

Only enforcement will help. And consequences.

There are plenty of structural changes that can help.
Raised crosswalks are a major one.

I hate those, you have to know where they are. We need to develop some standard way for marking them, so drivers know ahead of time what’s coming. And we have to re-mark them before the paint or whatever fades. We want drivers to have reason to decide for themselves to slow down and be alert for other road users

This could be a lot more effective than a gimmick like this video, while lasting longer and requiring less maintenance

It's pretty easy to tell where they are. They're at intersections.

Except for the ones not at intersections and of course all the intersections that don’t go that

For example in the 3.5 mile drive from the grocery to home, I drive through quite a few intersections, but the only raised crosswalk is not at one

I feel like if you can't see them in time you're going too fast

In NYC you'll get a ticket if you stop for pedestrian crossings. I got a ticket for stoping and letting a pedestrian cross the road.

Which law does that break?

“Gotta fill my quota”

In Illinois pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way. So not stopping for a crosswalk is a good way to see if there's a cop lurking nearby.

Good idea to have one fall guy do that before commending a drug deal.

Good idea, but cops here travel in groups of 2 or more cars.

There is no pedestrian crossing in NYC that is not either signed or signalled, so there is zero ambiguity about when you are supposed to stop. I'm guessing you are leaving out part of the story and very curious what the actual citation was. Regardless, your first sentence is blatant misinformation, please be careful about how you phrase things.

The taxi drivers are dicks, they lay on the horn the second the light turns green, good luck driving a stick in that hellscape.

I prefer the bucket of bricks one over this marketing stunt

Quebec W

Sort of unrelated but what is Quebec like to live in? I ask because my wife and I may take refuge there in couple of months with the way things are going here in the states. I don't speak French and the only language that I speak, besides English, is Spanish.

Québec is very Nice to live in. We expect immigrants to learn french, and keep religions to themselves. All religions. Catholics have it easier because of our history, but still priests dont go proletyzing un school anymore. Se are largely socialist democrats. Way left of wathever is left un thé usa. The indépendant mouvement is currently gaining ground but i dont expect it to win indépendance while Trump ils un power.

Wild you type with an accent.

I like it

I love the French Canadian accent!

I have not yet installed the english dictionnary on my phone, so it tries to auto-corrrect everything to french. I guess someone liking it, make it a little less annoying. :)

Quebec is notoriously difficult for immigrants to Canada. Highly recommend heading toward Toronto or Ottawa instead

Try to learn French and don't shove religious beliefs in our face. That's about it.

Though our current government is trying to scapegoat immigrants for their own incompetence. I'll give you that. We're kicking them out next term however, we promise!

Yah, don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking specifically about the Quebeçois govt being super strict with immigrants they allow in. I am Quebeçois through heritage so this is not coming from any place of judgment, just how things are to get in these days sadly

Ç makes an "s" sound, like in garçon. C before o makes a "k" sound.

It’s also difficult for other Canadians visiting from other providences.

Hell, it’s difficult for other Canadians when they visit us. One of my rudest interactions in the service industry was interacting with a Quebecker couple in Ontario. They were outraged that I didn’t understand French.

What about Montréal?

Given it is a city in Quebec, this goes for Montreal as well

Depends where. Most places around Montreal and Laval are pretty bilingual. The further you get away and eastward (3 rivières, Quebec City, etc. ) the more French it gets, even as close as 30 minutes out you might find there’s no English speaking folks at all, you will still be alright at most tourist destinations though. Not sure how it gets more westward towards Ontario.

I'm Finnish and I lived in Montréal for a short while, absolutely loved it. Didn't speak any French when I moved there, but I took a language course meant for immigrants (I think it was the municipality that offered those courses? Didn't cost anything as far as I can remember, but it's been a while) and it didn't take me all that long until I could get by with just French in most "simple" situations like stores, restaurants, what have you.

Like others have been saying Montréal is pretty much bilingual so it's easy to get by even if you don't speak French, but I'd definitely recommend studying French

They need proper bollards.

Am i the only one that finds this terrifying as a pedestrian? All the people in the video had to stop when they arrived at the intersection and wait for a car to allow them to cross. If someone were crossing here unaware and started crossing immediately, this thing could hit them anywhere up to the face. And that is if it doesn't have enough force to make one loose their balance or straight up catapult them. I refuse to believe this thing is actually just active and without supervision. I think they just deployed this thing for an afternoon to get the shots and coached the pedestrians. I find this anything but brilliant

Yeah obviously this is a film set. That's what PSAs are, little government adverts. They didn't deploy this on the street and they're not suggesting this as a solution to a problem. It's a fun little sort of advertisement that has been created to try and make a point.

It's like the Swedish advert from the other day.

It’s a controlled film set…Every single face you see is a unionized actor, any “candid” feelings are purely manufactured for effect.

in Turkey, we pedestrians always yield to cars.

The pedestrians also walk across the actual crosswalk area, over the mechanism, showing no concern that those magic stripes could come back down and smush them at any moment. There are a handful of things that take this out of the realm of realism but for me it was mainly that—especially the lady carrying her baby under them

Is this some kind of joke I don't get? Just have a law that pedestrians on crosswalks have priority and introduce a hefty fine for cars not stopping. Works flawlessly in other countries.

How is the above "a brilliant campaign"?

It's a brilliant campaign because of lack of enforcement and entitled drivers that treat traffic laws as suggestions.

Not so brilliant for the people killed before the culture shifts, if it does at all.

LMAO works flawlessly in other countries is a hilarious way to say that people still get hit by cars and are injured, or worse, in crosswalks where countries do have hefty fines for not stopping for pedestrians. Also someone would have to actually enforce that.

As a, quite sad, example - a child was killed at a crossing near a school near me when a person who wasn't paying attention ran them over in the crosswalk. Guess what, here in America where I live there is a fine and it's even more if you're in a school zone. Did not flawlessly stop that kid from dying.

Well, I live in Europe and in my and in neighbouring countries it works overall flawflessly. Cars usually stop at pedestrian crossings, without anyone having to carry flags, warning lights etc.

Don't want to sound rude, but the USA (I assume you refer to when talking about "america") is really not a good example for anything when it comes to topics concerning considering others.

Also if there's a lack of enforcement, maybe try less enforcing other shit and concentrate on enforcing things which are valueable for everyone. Freedom my ass...

British here, and yeah, pedestrians absolutely have priority over cars at zebra crossings. In my 45 years I can count on one hand the number of times motorists have zipped past without stopping to let me cross.

Oh yeah we're fucked here in USA, I just am saying paint is not a culture.

An illustration: https://youtube.com/shorts/PlTLIaCa-ps

My goodness do we ever need this in BC

Will be broken after a few winters. Frozen water is not friend.

It's only there to produce the video.
Everyone shown here, including the drivers, are acting.
No one suggests implementing this for real.

They won't last long enough to be damaged by ice before someone drives into them.

Here in my district of the Northern united states crosswalks are considered discretionary suggestions to not go out of your way to hit pedestrians.

In America, everyone would just start carrying a hammer, and any car that didn't stop would get a window or body panel smashed. They'd learn to stop real quick.

lol if you smash somebody's window with a hammer in America you will get shot

Yesterday, driving on a 55mph road in America, I'm the last car in line of cars, nobody behind me.

A truck with two young guys in it pulls out in front of me, going the same direction as me. They get on the gas but not quickly enough, and only up to like 50mph.

They easily could've waited an extra 10 seconds and let me pass, and been in nobody's way. But no.

I let off the gas and cover the brake, and I passive aggressively coasted up behind them, maybe one or two car lengths away. Too close to be safe, I won't stay there for more than a few moments. But to me, it lets them know they did something dumb and inconvenienced me. Not the best move but whatever.

Their response? The passenger looks over his shoulder, flips me the bird, while the driver simultaneously slams on his brakes, annoyed that I'm tailgating them, trying to get me to rear-end them.

I slam on my brakes, and they speed up and drive off.

I didn't pursue it any further, it's not worth it. Honestly, me riding up on them probably wasn't worth it. But it boggles my mind how crazy people are these days.

Years ago, I had a big toddler-killer sized truck tailgating me on icy roads because I wouldn't go over the speed limit. He had his brights on, absolutely searing my retinas because his truck was so tall.

I didn't brake check him. When I found a safe spot to do so, I just pulled over and let him pass.

But I couldn't help myself, when I pulled back onto the road, I flashed my brights at him from behind. A small screw you for tailgating and blinding me.

The dude locked up all four tires, skidded to a halt, got out of his truck and started walking back towards me with his arms in the air screaming "you want to ducking go?!?"

He was wearing military camo, might've been on reserve, there was a base in the area.

I just put my hands up in the air and shook my head no. After a moment, he yelled "that's what I ducking thought!" And gets back in his truck and tears off.

So yes, from a guy living in America... If you road rage here, you're chances of getting shot, or at least beaten up, are high. Better to let the idiots do what they want, and pretend it doesn't bother you.

Yup. I was travelling down there and passed a tractor trailer on the highway. This apparently pissed them off enough to tailgate me and eventually trying to run me off the road.

Y'all are insane.

Watch this

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118771/

You're a nation of poorly-educated emotionally-stunted uncivil toddlers with guns. And it's all Russia's fault.

That's giving Russia a bit too much credit.

A single Russian gif on Tik Tok can kill up to 10000 Freedom Citizens and cause even more to vote for Trump. Still think Russia is harmless?

3-2-1, random quebec bashing.

Québec is awesome and I'm glad the québécois stuck up for their culture so hardcore otherwise the English would have turned it into Canada's Louisiana, a pale shadow of the French culture that once was

Put a stop sign up. No need for the ridiculously complex system. A simple stop sign would do.

Because no one ever ignores stop signs, especially when they think they're useless

There is no perfect system. This ridiculous and complex system is a maintenance nightmare, and following your logic, it’s just as possible someone will hit it.

This is not a "system," it's a PSA campaign. These aren't installed anywhere, they were just put there to make the ads.

I'm aware of that. I can't believe people are arguing for it.

If they can ignore the crosswalk, they can ignore stop sign. Raised crosswalk is significantly better, it both work as a crosswalk and a road bump, which people will have to slow down to prevent damage to their vehicles. Also this is ad campaign if you haven't notice, it isn't real.

If there's a stop sign you'd need to come to a stop even if there's no pedestrians at the cross walk. If cars would stop when there's a pedestrian then they only need to stop when there's a pedestrian.

As someone who seldom drives, sure put up a stop sign. But it would be better for drivers if it didn't have to come to that.

This ridiculous pop-up crosswalk is a rube goldberg stop sign. Overly complex and definitely is something that will take plenty of maintenance to keep clear and operating correctly. Imagine if all or part were to fail in the “up” position. The only benefit is operation on-demand vs a small inconvenience to drivers and a large increase in safety to pedestrians.

For the purposes of this discussion, a stop sign is easily the correct solution and a minor inconvenience. Either that, or station an officer there randomly and rake in the ticket fees for failing to yield to a pedestrian in the crosswalk.

I think the pop-up crosswalk was just done for the advertisement, it's not a permanent thing.

But the crosswalk is a stop sign if a pedestrian is using it in most modern traffic codes, and even if you are only about to use it (visible intent to cross), 80 countries agree that is enough to give you right of way on a crosswalk. Visually a crosswalk is just completely unmistakable, so what would adding another stop sign do?

If those rules are unclear, maybe trafic education is lacking? Or maybe repercussions are not enough, maybe increase the fines or chance to get fined?

Interestingly Qatar, Macao and Singapore place the burden of safety on the pedestrians while crossing a crosswalk(very cool for pedestrians, famously lacking about 1 to 2 tons of steel cage to protect them during a collision with a car).

Because psychologically people are far less likely to run a stop than roll through a crosswalk with someone still in it, you know there’s a big fine for blowing a stop vs failing to yield which, plainly in this very video clip, nobody is likely to get ticketed for. And you completely sidestepped the maintenance and cost issues with this system. Guaranteed this thing is broken quickly and often.

Whatever. Y’all got some messed up logic.

I'm not advocating for this system anywhere, just that crosswalks should be more then enough in a lot of circumstances. Clearly, it's not in Quebec.

Your statement that rolling a stop sign is less likely then a crosswalk seems crazy to me. They are both a stop sign. Both fines are very expensive here.