The US is a terrorist state
6d 2h ago by lemmy.ml/u/dessalines in memes@lemmy.ml from lemmy.ml
News article about this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/02/28/iranian-girls-school-decimated-us-israeli-strike/88919223007/
EDIT: adding some pics:
How is Iran even supposed to retaliate against a country that regularly guns down its own children?
What are you gonna do? Blow up our school? We gun down everyone in the state before you even reach us, while neighbouring states chant USA USA
Charred-town tactics
that's a fair point. we are crazy as shit. to be fair, the children are also gunning themselves down too they are not exactly unarmed
Not entirely their own free volition.
Primed, used as problem-reaction-solution patsies.
own free volition.
oh dude we don't have that here. that's on a subscription package and we're all too broke for volition
And I wholeheartedly apologise for my small part in that, having worked in advertising [(until Bill Hicks saved me)].
I was "just doing my job", to the best of my abilities, for my client. Maximally manipulating minds... And that was about 25 years ago, before all the datamining cold-reading hypno tech these days. Me and my guy, our meagre team of two, with our non-existent budget, we changed the culture... Now imagine what those with the tech today, and the budget of billions and trillions could do to people... Especially those who are completely oblivious and not actively trying to avoid the manipulations.
They'll deprive you of all wealth, and all free volition, if given a chance.
Nobody kills our school children but us, and we’re the best at it.
If Netanyahu's involved, you can be sure there'll be dead children.
He drinks their blood.
Netanosferatu
As a vampire, i'm ashamed of being in the same class as him. He's embarrassing all of us.
Vampires and ticks are not the same class (well, sorry for the ticks)
Nothing surprises me anymore.
It's his kink.
A primary school, no less
… whilst having your own justice department spend months deleting testimony that you raped and witnessed the killing of 12 year old girls.
Iran should retaliate by blowing up the White House, since it’s full of 12-year-olds.
Ok but they are probably victims of the Eptstein gang
You’re misinterpreting what I mean. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/everyone-is-12-now-theory-of-course-you-do-youre-12
"Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people," Trump said, calling the strikes "a massive and ongoing operation."
The girls were apparently a vicious group of very hard, terrible people so its okay
It was very hard to get them to bend the knee.
They were terrible at giving US free stuff.
Imagine telling the world that the people of Iraq would open their arms to US invaders and the whole thing not taking too long…
Like a pattern emerges…
it's certainly a special event in military operation history
one could even call it a military special operation .
They just blew up a hospital too. Israeli tactics just start mass murdering women and children. Netanyahu and pedolf Shitler and the rise of the turd Reich
Genocide does be like that.
Next they'll start targeting all the bakeries.
Liberating them of their mortal coils
sth sth stairway to heaven
explanation: i can't find a link rn but it's a core christian concept that people should go to heaven, and that's more or less the entire point of society. and methods employed are hard work (since that is believed to "rectify" your character which makes you more likely to go to heaven).
The only thing they probably regret is not fucking them before the massacre. They are monsters.
This whole country is fucking satanic death cult
Hey, don't besmirch the good Satan lovers, they mostly want orgies.
IF ONLY. Lucifer is a pretty cool guy
That quote stuck with me:
God says "believe in me".
Satan says "believe in yourself".
Slight correction may be in order here...the target of your ire should probably be the conservative fundamentalists (aka Y'all-Qaeda) in the US; the Satanic Temple folks are generally atheists and seem pretty chill to an outsider like me.
That’s not fair, satanists are some of the kindest, most ethical people you are likely to meet.
From the country whose leaders SA little girls, death is probably liberation in their mind.
Isn't war something that needs to go through congress? On top of that, isn't this an international joint operation between two nations that DEFINITELY would need to go through congress? Doesn't matter? Okay.
I suppose congress should do something about this overreach then!
*crickets*
You're forgetting the Dow Jones is over 50k
Over fifty thou!
Constitutionally, war should go through congress.
But we haven't followed the constitution in a very long time, obviously... decades
that's what makes someone like Trump possible, and here we are.
we haven’t followed the constitution in a very long time
But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.
~ Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority
Congress gave the president the power to wage an unlimited amount of war so long as troops are removed by the 90 day mark. Even then if troops are gone before the court rules, it doesn't matter either, as was ruled under Clinton.
What a truly terrible, terrible country.
I suppose that's what they meant by "liberation".
Nice war target eh? A couple of schools. Known to house the military though, right?!
I'm sure we'll hear about the Hamas tunnels any day now, assuming the media bothers to report on it at all
At the moment, it just sounds like "America is finally winning again" on all channels and frequencies
There was an IRGC naval base 200 to 600 ft away from it so collateral damage is likely, but Israel should have certainly been more careful and targeted.
Are we about to witness World War III?
We've been in WWIII for a while now. Just ramping up.
Hasn't it kind of already started? All these individual wars are always backed up by either of the two big economic blocks: China and its allies vs. USA and its allies. It really looks like a rehearsal before a full-blown confrontation.
It’s more cold war. Been like this for all my time.
Sure there's been a wave of imperialist wars, but it would have to cascade out of control and legitimately threaten world superpowers directly for a world war to break out. All this adventurism taking place is unfortunately just par for the course. IMO something truly unprecedented like the US launching a ground invasion against Mexico would have to happen to set off a cascade. I don't think even airstrikes on Mexico would do it, only a ground invasion.
Edit: not even 3 days since I made this comment and I think I may be horribly wrong. Israel employing the same genocidal tactics in Iran that they did in Palestine, Shiite uprising in Bahrain and Saudis sending in forces to put it down, US and Israel setting the stage for Kurdish forces from Iraq to invade Iran, submarine strike on Iranian ship in the Indian Ocean, China and Russia providing satellite support for Iran, Israeli ground invasion in Lebanon. The cascade seems to have begun.
The cascade seems to have begun.
Yes... I hope we'll live through it
As long as its not Armageddon on the plains of Megiddo...I'm all good fam
That's one way to liberate them
They let the AI from Israel do the missile planning and its priority is children and women so the two best is a school full of little girls.
"Can't be oppressed if you're dead" :/
The US GOVERNMENT is a terrorist organization. The rest of us are as peaceful as we can be in this situation, and that will be our downfall
Oh ok…it’s important to call out the government and not the citizens when we’re talking about terrorist states? Ok, just like Israel.
Always was
Obviously, they're liberating the world of women from Iran /s
Liberate them of what? Stability?
They raided it first for the new Trumpenyahoo island. The bomb was to make unrecovered bodies less suspicious.
The Iranians' biggest mistake here were to be weak. Ever since 2020 when Trump first attacked them, they failed to achieve any meaningful retaliation, and they have successively failed to achieve any till today.
Seeing that Iran did nothing but a face saving strike when the US took down Solemeni, the Israelis went ahead with striking their consulate in 2024. Seeing yet another weak response, they went for all out strikes on their facilities in 2025. Yet again no retort from Iran. Well, guess what? Now they're rampaging all over the bloody country.
The Americans' assessment of Iran was clear. Iran would not establish any form of deterrence because it clings to the delusions of having a negotiated settlement being ratified, which the Americans themselves never had any intention of signing.
Had the IRGC and Hizbullah replied in a tit-for-tat each time to punish American and Israeli assets in the region for their illegal and insane actions, clear deterrence would have been established and Iran's red lines would have been backed with some credibility. The Americans would not have been so keen to act with such impunity. But again, because of the Ayatollah's futile hope to keep the door open for future negotiations, they've sabotaged their own position as well as their nuclear program. And the result now is that both the IRGC and Hzb have been split apart and are being destroyed one at a time.
Ironically, the Ayatollah's half-hearted policy towards American aggression is what probably cost him his life and those of his immediate family today.
Trump is essentially a shark in the water (no disrespect meant towards sharks). If it smells blood, it will pounce on its prey, no questions asked. But if its prey is willing to struggle, it will move on to another already injured target.
The biggest mistake to make against this kind of adversary is to show weakness. But Iran could not understand that.
You are comparing Trump to a shark smelling blood in the water, this is an interesting choice by yourself. You talk about America attacking Iran because they are "weak" but you never seem to question why America is attacking Iran, a country of 90 million people on the other side of the world. Why is the real question here, why is America spending billions of dollars, American lives and American international credibility to attack Iran, a country that has never attacked the USA or any other nation in the middle east unprovoked?
Why did America attack Iraq back in the early 2000s? At the time 70% of Americans mistakenly thought it was because Iraq was involved in 9/11. We now know from declassified documents that the main reason the USA attacked Iraq was they thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or "WMDs". This information came from Israeli secret intelligence and we now know this intelligence was bogus. What we are seeing here is the Americans being led by the nose once again by the Israelis into another expensive regime change forever war.
I and many others believe this is down to the weakness of the character of the American leadership, that they are so easily manipulated once again by their Israeli "allies". The same allies that attacked the USS Liberty and spit on American Christians in Tel Aviv. Why do Israelis have free health care and the Americans do not? The USA is subservient to the Israelis to such a degree the only logical explanation to any rational thinker is that Israel must have something on the current American leadership. This will be known as the Epstein war. P
Reasons for the invasion matter of course, but they matter for different people. The American people deserve to know why their treasury is being expended on a war half across the world instead of being used to improve life at home. Or exactly what improvements they reap in terms of security by fighting this war, if their administration is going to tell them that Iran is two weeks from getting the bomb for the last decade anyway.
But these reasons are irrelevant for Iran. Trump could be attacking Iran because he legitimately feels threatened; or for its oil; or to distract the public, or maybe simply because he wants to build a Trump Tower&Casino in Persepolis. The point is that, whatever the insane reasons the United States have for their attack, Iran CANNOT prevent them from acting upon them. Nor can it change the minds of those in charge of writing American foreign policy; no more than the Zulus could change the reasons for why the British Empire attacked them, for example.
What Iran CAN do is set clear consequences for attacks on its sovereignty. "You strike our Consulate. Fine." Two days later Hzb retaliates on a diplomatic mission of the Epstein Coalition. "You kill our officials. Okay" A week later an American military contractor happens to "disappear". And so on. This is tit-for-tat retaliation.
Reasons for war are for the American people to debate on. And I agree with the idea that with such baseless reasons, it really does show the corruption of the leadership that started this war, as well as of those who do nothing to prevent it. But for Iran, it isn't about determining whether the reasons of their attacker are good or bad. It is about making the likelihood of an attack go from possible to impossible, without significant casualties. And Iran has blundered massively on the latter.
I understand the concept of tit for tat retaliation, the problem is American foreign policy for these instances is tit for tat tat. America makes sure its retaliatory responses are overwhelming making a tit for tat deterrence useless against them, this is the advantage of having the largest stick in the world. This is also why America's rivals engage in asymmetric warfare with layers of plausible deniability.
This also assumes Iran is dealing with a rational actor acting logically, there is no evidence Trump is one in this case. This strike has no logical beneficial outcome for the American people, it will be interesting to see if Congress allows America to continue. Trumps reasons for doing Netenyahus bidding to the detriment of the American people is certainly a choice that we can all speculate on.
I disagree with your comparing Iran Vs US to the Brits Vs the Zulu's. It is almost as if you have slept through the last 110 years of insurgency warfare and how effective it can be. Iran is a huge country with a population of 90 million. The USA can bomb with impunity sure but Iran has more people than Afghanistan and Iraq combined with greater military capabilities. Boots on the ground will be needed, you can't win a war with stand off munitions alone. America was entirely unsuccessful with their previous two attempts at regime change by force this century, why would they do better against a bigger and better armed country? Look at the bunch of clowns in charge in America currently, I would not trust them to mind my plants for a week away let alone regime change in Iran.
America makes sure its retaliatory responses are overwhelming making a tit for tat deterrence useless against them, this is the advantage of having the largest stick in the world.
Boots on the ground will be needed, you can’t win a war with stand off munitions alone. America was entirely unsuccessful with their previous two attempts at regime change by force this century, why would they do better against a bigger and better armed country?
Not sure what is the point you're trying to argue here. You assume that US escalation is so overwhelming which makes deterrence useless against them; at the same time you correctly point out that US intervention usually fails when they deploy on the ground, let alone how this would go in a country like Iran. So clearly, American escalation reaches a limit when they have have to actually put boots on the ground, if we keep to the realm of conventional action. My point is, if it has to come to this anyway, Iran should have been more assertive with its retaliation and NP to try and prevent the war altogether.
This also assumes Iran is dealing with a rational actor acting logically, there is no evidence Trump is one in this case.
In very few cases is the leader of a state solely responsible for the military actions of said state. A significant portion of his personnel; generals, the MIC, Israeli advisors, economists would have to support or at least assent to this war for it to go ahead. Could they all be crazy? It's possible. But once again, they will have to fight with the options they have, and these options are limited. Iran could have limited them further, but chose not to. And it's unlikely that Trump started this war solely because Israel has "something" on him, because then he'd have to make this case in front of all these people, and it just wouldn't make sense.
The point about the Zulus was to point out the nature of imperialism; the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must. Ultimately, the reason wars are launched is that because they believe that they can be won. I speculate that the whole rationale on the American side goes something like this: that they can decapitate the regime, bomb relentlessly, let protesters fill the power vacuum, and finally overthrow the Islamic Republic (the Israelis probably have a more eschatological reason). This is a fantasy. The Nazis tried to do the same with Britain, the British eventually retaliated all the same.
The American war machine is essentially a glorified, very expensive police force (much like their actual police depts). It can do overwhelming force, but it isn't going to win a war of (military or economic) attrition. It can't do much for protecting its allies in the GCC, not even its own bases in the region. The likely ending to all this is that the US, just like with Afghanistan, will announce that it "accomplished all its objectives", pack up, and leave. Iran complains, but eventually does nothing like by the past. This just puts the Iranians back to square one, where they were in 2020. I'll guess we'll see if they actually learnt from their mistakes.
at the same time you correctly point out that US intervention usually fails when they deploy on the ground
This is not the point where US intervention fails. The boots on the ground do their job quite well initially. Where the US fails is long term, they have no long term strategy for these nations they defeat beyond sitting around with their thumbs up their arses for several expensive decades while their opponents simply wait them out.
In terms of retaliation, I still do not believe Iran can do enough to deter the US and the US policy of overwhelming retaliation would just lead to their own destruction by following this path.
In terms of your might is right point on imperialism I would again refer you back to the last century and a bit where all of the great empires collapsed one by one, starting with the Ottoman's, followed by the Germans, British, French and Russian. This was the century of the insurgent, TE Lawrence, Michael Collins, Vo Nguyen Giap amongst others.
In very few cases is the leader of a state solely responsible for the military actions of said state
The USA is one case where the president is actually Commander in Chief of the armed forces. Provided the order is not illegal, the army have to follow the order of their superior. Trump and the republican party have been going down the state capture route a long time now and there is no one left who will say no to him, as we have seen since he has come to office. Even if someone was brave enough to dissent the would be removed from their position without much thought.
To me it looks like Trump is going to get America dragged into another expensive forever war that with their current debt levels they cannot afford. The attempted decapitation looks like it will not lead to a quick end as Iran entrenches. The American people should rightly be asking the question of why are we striking Iran when Iran has not now or ever posed a real threat to the USA. This is Trump's war, he never even asked for congressional approval. If he's going to bankrupt the American people he should at least have a damn good explanation of why. We are all scratching our heads trying to figure this out.
Don’t act like you understand sharks, that’s such human ignorance, you don’t know what’s going on in the mind of a shark, don’t speak for us-THEM! Don’t speak for them. Sharks aren’t comparable to that human swine, he could never breach like a majestic god from the almighty wakes of the sea, much less split a seal in twain with his paltry, finite, and weak breakable human teeth. His species has accomplished nothing and will crumble like all the others that came before! Sharks were there before you and they will be there when the memory of humans crumbles to dust and fades to nothing like tears in the rain!
Apologies, your Majesty. A Great White is indeed a formidable creature. Trump is nothing like that, although he is trying too hard to be...
To them it's probably a numbers game...sacrifice a few to free the many? ..maybe my math is not mathing...
"The Trump Administration" is a terrorist state. You're blaming the wrong people if you think the citizens who march in the streets everyday against this villainy are the perpetrators of this violence. Be better, please.
A drastic increase in military funds to Israel took place during the terrorist Biden regime:
The US is a terrorist state makes more sense.
Why do you say that? Many of us are fighting against this regime. Why do you blame us?
Many of us are fighting against this regime
There are more employees of ICE than activist opponents of the American regime
That is not in any way a counter to "Many of us are fighting against this regime" sorry. You won't be taking our work away from us. It's killing some of us.
our work
Posting
What?
They mean that you talk big about "our work" as activists, all while you're here spending your time and a not insignificant amount of your energy posting about a non-issue.
Look, I'm going to level with you here under the assumption your heart is in the right place and that you really do do some actual activism. First of all, you're making this shit about you in a post detailing the mass murder of school children. You (when not posting cringe on lemmy) are really in the streets protesting against the murderous, imperialist, genocidal actions of the United States? Good! Keep it up, though I hope you're doing so as part of an organization. But it is hard to imagine that you really are when you're here, thinking it's important enough to argue the "not all whites men USians!" line.
Even setting aside the fact that directing your indignant energy towards yourself and demanding others do the same, like you are the aggrieved party in a post about the bombing of children in other countries is cringe.... Literally no one who says "the US is a terrorist state" is implying that every individual between Mexico, Canada and the Pacific and Atlantic oceans is a terrorist, or that every single one of them condones the terrorism that the US is committing, or even that some of them aren't actively in opposition to it. What you are arguing about is not relevant. And what's more, it's petty and self centered.
I'm happy to discuss further with you when you've calmed down. You're seething right now and I wasn't trying to make you angry. Maybe we'll chat more tomorrow. Have a good night. 🫱
lol, I was perfectly calm and not angry in the least. That's still the case. In fact I was stoned and probably a little too chill when I wrote the above comment. If you read anger into that, you were waaay off.
Tbh, I was feeling generous and taking the time to explain to you why everyone here was downvoting you about things you didn't seem to understand as a gesture of good faith and good will, trying to help out what appeared to me to be a naive baby leftist (something most of us were at some point), not wanting you to feel bad for getting so trounced.
At this point, assuming you're sincere and aren't just a derail troll, I think the only thing for you is to lurk moar.
Great! glad to know you're back with us. Ready when you are.
Ok, so unfortunately it seems you're not capable of following a conversation or understanding what is happening around you. I tried to help ya out kid, but you just aren't giving me anything to work with here. Good luck, you're going to need it.
I thought you said you weren't mad
lol
Any "resistance" worth anything needs to begin from an understanding that this administration is unique only in it's honesty about what it is.
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Good. Then make the distinction that the administration is guilty, not the people. We are literally dying in the streets fighting them and it's wrong of you to blame us.
These are effects of the quality of the US education system in full display i guess...
My original post is just "The US is a terrorist state makes more sense.", which you somehow interpreted as me blaming the US people... who did vote for this even though that post was removed by mod for some reason.
Bye.
even though that post was removed by mod for some reason.
Just want to point out that the reason that one comment of yours got removed (I presume - I didn't do it, I'm not a mod) was because you were explicitly blaming non-voters for the genocide.
There were many many people who didn't vote in the last election because they saw that both "meaningful" options were fascists, the blue flavored ones who were currently in power at the time and who were already committing the genocide and promising to do it even harder if reelected OR the red (orange) flavored fascist who also promised continued genocide. The people who refused to vote for any genocidal fascists regardless of flavor are not responsible for the fact that the genocide continued unsurprisingly under the red flavor.
So when fans of the blue fascists come in here upset their blue flavor didn't win and start blaming the rest of us (when the blame actually belongs squarely on the shoulders of their blue candidates for their abject failure to do the bare minimum and simply oppose literal genocide) it just turns into a blue MAGA shit-flinging episode that we've already dealt with and debunked countless times. So the mods nip it in the bud and remove comments that wrongly blame people with anti-genocide principles for the genocide. And your comment got a little too close to that line. So, now you know.
Just want to point out that the reason that one comment of yours got removed (I presume - I didn’t do it, I’m not a mod) was because you were explicitly blaming non-voters for the genocide.
I'm not the only one making that claim but it's a "reasonable" explanation, assuming that was the reason.
I didn't vote for it. I'm fighting against it. Why are you blaming me? You're allowing them to divide us against each other. That's what they want and you're just handing it to them. Stand with us in solidarity please, we need better people right now.
That's always the case though isn't it? Either way good luck to you all fighting back and I hope you're successful, the struggle within the US definitely matters
Thanks for the well wishes. Best of luck to you as well.
No no no. Trump is worse.
This isn't a single continuous policy escalated intermittently across both regimes.
Then I'll permit you to say “The Trump Administration” is a terrorist state or "The Biden Administration" is a terrorist state.
Then I’ll permit you to say
No one gives a shit, imperialist dog.
Are you sure?
Yes, go back to reddit
What?
wHaT?
Yes, that's what I'm asking
I'll permit you to say
lmao
if you think the citizens who march in the streets everyday against this villainy are the perpetrators of this violence.
OP said 'the US state', not 'people of the US'.
So you think the USA wasn't terrorist state under Biden, Obama, Bush, and so on?
come on now, the USA has been doing this for many years
Oh please average Americans have been openly calling for this for decades and celebrated when they finally did it. Your crocodile tears fool no one and you're only protesting now because the current administration was a little mean to white Americans as well, you never gave a shit about what Americans did to anyone else, not now, not ever. Before this was y'all celebrating the "liberation" of Venezuela, Iraq, the Banana Republics, and on and on and on. You brush aside any civilian casualties with a handwavy "well I for one didn't want that to happen" and then pretend everyone else criticising you on it are the problem, yet you keep cheering on the military strikes for regime changes themselves as if they're separate isolated things. Even now you're more concerned with how people criticising Americans need to "be better" for how they phrase their criticisms because it's apparently a worse crime to hurt your feelings.
Fuck America and fuck Americans.
lol
Thank you to the mods! They banned this person before I even read the message. Glad to know there is still accountability in the world lol
Do you think Harris would have kept us out of Iran?
Why?
We don't vote for this, it always IS regardless of voting. According to polls, most voters don't want us fighting in the middle east or anywhere else. Ever.
Do you think Harris would have kept us out of Iran?
She's not Trump. That's all that matters.
If she hadn't bombed Iran, it would be because she was kinder and wiser and more serious. If she had bombed Iran, it would have been for better reasons and with more international support.
But the important thing is that she wouldn't be Trump.
Let's see, the last one with two consecutive terms was obama.
Therefore the funny laugh person is... Romney?
Romney is what the US needed /j
We did?
