Moats are back!
13d 6h ago by lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/Viking_Hippie in aboringdystopia from hexbear.net
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7730578
What's sad is, they already essentially do this with us.
The Epstein class literally do
Just to elaborate for the folks I've run into who doubt and downplay the worst of it - even if you remove the more lurid reports, the simple fact of "recruitment" for such a hideous enterprise, what accomplishing that requires - that is hunting humans for sport.
Extending globally to identify and traffick vulnerable young people, targets meeting the right criteria to make it all "work".
No metaphors are needed, nor any reliance on anything remotely controversial in the files. Hunting humans for sport is exactly, dead on correct.
But can they really trust their guards? What guard wouldn't want to have the nickname the kingslayer?
That’s why they’ll fit their guards with death collars to prevent them from getting ideas.
Where do you buy death collars from?
Big MT Research and Development Center
I get mine in Paradise Falls.
Amazon, I presume.
An old man named Elijah, hanks out near an abandoned casino town full of ghosts.
Commie ghosts, who don't know that they're dead.
First you have to get said guards (who are hired to protect you) to agree to wear those. Only a moron would agree to that. And sure they malfunction too. So be hard if you security is fucking disabled from your death collar to protect you. Rich people are not smart.
If you're willing to work directly for such evil people you are a moron.
Reminds me of Wedlock. Little perfect movie with Rutger Hauer.
Forget about guards, what about mortar shells?
There is a very thin line between “Safe inside your bunker” and “Trapped inside your bunker”. The people on the outside dictate how that plays out.
I was thinking it'd be a real shame if someone waited for them to go inside and then welded the gates closed.
Delicious. Where I live (Auburn WA, represent!) the copper and the plumbing feeding into the property would be stripped and sold for pennies on the dollar for fenty. And then when a food or repair truck comes for resupply, the nanosecond the driver leaves the truck, it's gone. Jacked. Bye bye. Those rich aholes gun starve to death yo
Walls work both ways. Sieges are back on the menu boys!
Who needs to get in? They wanted to be pharos - gods even. They want to be in there? I say let them be. Concrete is pretty easy to pour and it just doesnt seem capitalist to just leave such prime real estate under developed...
The smart built, expensive ones have 2-3 Exits. Bulldozer mostly solves this problem
Castles often weren't conquered by forcefully breaking through the walls but rather by keeping them under the siege until their inhabitants either surrender or die from hunger.
They are very small, and we have a LOT of raw sewage, and some very powerful pumps.
Won't take long.
This is proper problem solving for the task at hand.
Stay scared, shitheads.
Luigi Gon' Give It To Ya
You need to be more alarmed about this.
Conservatives (and the rich tend to side with conservatives) have no imagination and project their own intentions on others.
I cannot possibly stress this enough:
IF THEY THINK WE'RE GOING TO VIOLENTLY ATTACK THEM, IT'S SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE PREPARING TO ATTACK US THEMSELVES.
They have THOROUGHLY demonstrated that they can't imagine anyone wanting to do anything but that which they themselves want to do, are preparing to do, or are ALREADY DOING.
Mark my words:
The rich are preparing to exterminate us all.
No, not exterminate, just control with even further violence. The rich are stupid and useless, but they do know that they need bodies to do their work for them, even if they’ll never admit it.
This is, honestly, much worse because complacent people won’t fight back nearly as hard.
They don't care about extermination. Lol. How do you exploit the dead?
They want you alive. And supple to their desires.
This is why they are absolutely shitting themselves over plummeting birth rates.
They aren't even that smart. They're just self-obsessed, greedy, pedophiles.
So it's not that they're going to exterminate you as and kill you. They are going to exterminate your way of life to supplement their own
Well the Epstein files had something like 'get rid of the poors', right?
Also rich assholes fantasize about shooting dead random poors for fun all the time.
Fine. Trap them in their palaces. Turn them into tombs.
Do they not realize the ones installing their security devices are also the same people they are trying to protect against?
"We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep."
Society failed when it allowed people to start accruing this kind of wealth
It’s been a problem since pretty much the very beginning.
Yes, it failed at the very beginning.
And will always continue to fail in the future.
Air supply. You can find the intake with those microphone cameras or old school smoke.
The Hamptons are a low lying area. You never want to be defending a low lying area.
Air supply? Why would you want to threaten them with great music ?
yeah but that could be hidden (if they're smart) miles away.
If they went to that much trouble it's either the direction of another property probably owned by a shell nearby or it's a large piece of land and you'll need ground penetrating radar or a ditch witch.
Everything needs vents.
Seems a lot simpler to just not be a greedy POS.
Well, contrary to their self-perception, they're not always the sharpest spoons in the forest.
You don't have to be when you can afford to pay more competent people to take care of literally everything for you 🤷
Power corrupts. Absolute power...
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man." -General George Patton
If you're so afraid of the proles maybe you should give up a fair share of your slice.
But there's so many of us...
Ya think this be related to the rumor that rich people taste like wagu? Plenty of alcohol an massages make for great marbling
Always wondered about long pig myself, but gosh, the regulations!
I hear tell they are looking to eas regulations in general
Hwel by golly and bless your heart, may the Lord do His work. Praise Him 🙏
So....
Anyone have stocked up on siege weapons?
I think drones are the new siege weapons.
Billionaires: *build moats and walls around their homes*
The eventual uprising:
Nothing will replace a good mortar or howitzer. I'm not even joking, you can disrupt a drone but the 20mm HE mortar shell? No so much.
I saw some really neat YouTube videos about trebuchet. They don't seem that complex.
Local High school kids build them for a graded project around where i live, so not very difficult for an adult to handle.
Been meaning to find an excuse to engineer a trebuchet.
Forget siege weapons, just a shovel and jackhammer.
When met with walls and steel gates, just use your cannon, as the founding fathers intended.
HAVE AT YE!
Tally ho!
You know what's cheaper than building fucking castles and living in fucking fear all the fucking time?
Paying your taxes to fund a proper welfare state. Simple as.
But they earned that money. /s
These armed guards have the ability to do humanity a great service. I hope at least one of them finds their conscience.
Just like the secret service. And the military. Etc...
Back? wait... what did you think US suburbs were designed for then?
I get the analogy, but these are literal moats of water surrounding an owners land we are talking about.
it's almost like they're realizing they live on the same planet as all the poors
It’s us poors that need to realize how proximate we really are to the parasitic class.
if only, and stay with me here, if only there was some contraption invented since we last had moats around castle, i don't know, something that can fly in the air and carry, oh i don't know, bags of shit over these moats and into the castles, maybe even more of it at the same time like swarms of bees, maybe we could even name it after them like bee, or worker, or drone, or something. that would be something, I tell ya!
Doesn't sound like any trebuchet I've ever heard of. Also plague riddled corpses work better, although they might be hard to come by nowadays.
plague riddled corpses work better, although they might be hard to come by nowadays.
With RFK Jr in charge of the HHS? Give it a few months and there'll be plenty.
Launch me alive and I will either fall a corpse or live long enough to see myself start a fire.
The hero we need 🤣
You'll pretty much just be a corpse, not sure what You'll accomplish. Seems a better idea to launch a bomb, or a rock.
Metal canister filled with shit and piss will work just fine too.
While we are busy building some older contraptions used in times long past: perhaps might we add an additional favorite of the french revolutionaries?
That's called a market opportunity.
Moats, and with climate change being what it is? American alligators are about to be as common as chickens before too long.
The ultra rich have always done this, we just used to call them "castles".
I wonder if someday there will be guided tours of Jeff Bezos' mansion. A little museum too, all about his reign of terror.
Drones with explosives go vrrrr.
So many games have readied us for this.
This is plan B. Plan A is to create militarized security force that's a bit less poor and a bit more privileged than everyone else and is ready to kill people in order to protect their position.
Do you mean the police or make a whole new group?
Police will do.
I like trebuchets. They were really popular a while back.
I've heard that guillotines could be making a comeback.
Obviously, these are different contraptions for different purposes but with the same basic aim in mind.
Too unwieldy, we have mortars now.
How will drones ever cross the moat?
How will vigilantes ever be able to catch these oligarchs at their office if they have moats around their house.
Honestly, wouldnt it be cheaper to just not be evil?
I got a trebuchet for sale.
I imagine the ultra-wealthy can afford their own personal surface-to-air missiles & their own personal army to man them.
The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”.
It’s as if they want to build a car that goes fast enough to escape from its own exhaust
I tried to reason with them. I made pro-social arguments for partnership and solidarity as the best approaches to our collective, long-term challenges. The way to get your guards to exhibit loyalty in the future was to treat them like friends right now, I explained. Don’t just invest in ammo and electric fences, invest in people and relationships. They rolled their eyes at what must have sounded to them like hippy philosophy.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/0 4/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff
Installing special combination locks to keep the food secure and the. Locking yourself in a bunker with those people sounds like an excellent way to spend the last ten minutes of your life having your fingernails slowly pulled off.
Both of those sound more expensive than drones.
True but I think this guy means that we commoners could cross their strongholds with drones. And I meant that the wealthy could defend themselves against our paltry drones with surface-to-air missiles & their own personal armies.
They surely could.
And we could fling stuff over the walls to make sure they don't get a minute of quiet or more than a week with un-scorched grass.
What kind of life is that though. So now you're stuck in a fancy prison and can't trust anyone around you?
eventually those with money and power could have AI controlled, shoot on site, robot and drone security systems wherever they want. all legalised by the corrupt government.
To partially quote a certain movie which holds startlingly true right now:
No. What they have are bullets and the hope that when those guns are empty we no longer will be standing....
Impenetrable
Lol. Keep thinking that.
We played this game back in the 70s, during White Flight. I lived through it.
White professionals got very paranoid about living in THE CITY. Built giant gated communities just at the edge of town. Stuffed their neighborhoods with cops and private guards and security cameras and retractable road spikes and giant fuck-off electric gates and stone walls. Then nothing happened for a few years, and people inside realized this shit was boring af and obnoxiously expensive.
So they brought in a bunch of developers to add parks and malls and theaters and clubs. And then these places needed labor, so they built a bunch of low-rent housing just outside the spots just outside THE CITY. And these places filed up with the same working class folks who lived in THE CITY. But now the white professionals weren't living in the exurbs anymore, they were living in THE CITY again. So they all panicked and sold out and fled to the new edge of town.
And we've been repeating this pattern for 50 years, such that now it's a two fucking hour drive to get from Katy or Clear Lake or The Woodlands into downtown Houston where all the fucking professional jobs are. But, of course, this is Texas so nobody is allowed to build commuter rail. Instead we have several hundred miles of twelve lane highways gobbling up a bunch of historically prime real estate. And we spend $1.1B/year on cops who mostly do dick-all jerking themselves off in their squad cars earning 2.5x overtime pay on six figure salaries.
Everyone under 30 wants to GTFO of these horrible boring overpriced suburbs. While everyone over 60 is still too terrified to walk out their front doors when they live 30 miles outside of town, because the news said someone in a suburb on the opposite side of the city was center stage on the nightly news for getting their purse snatched.
But hey, don't worry, because Palantir Presents THE PANOPTICON is coming soon. And they'll definitely finally permanently for real this time solve the problem of crime forever. Just give them access to your retirement account so you can pay for it.
So they're working really hard to make impossible to enter their houses. How hard would it be to modify them to make it impossible to leave?
Pretty sure that getting close enough without being murdered by hired goons would be the hardest part.
After solving that, anyone creative and/or competent enough should have no problem sealing the would be pharaohs in their pyramids of hubris 🤷
So, 'Under the dome' but with the very rich instead of a random city, then.
You can cause lot of fatigue in those goons by just having someone randomly shoot at them and run away once or twice a night.
Guess who can swim!
I suppose the ones who buy entire islands have a chance at raising their own food, and producing clean water, but the rest of them are vulnerable to an old fashion siege, to go along with their moat.
I should practice building a trebuchet...
Yeah, if they're wanting to do the old castle thing, they forget castles had funny things like ways to produce food and unblockable access to clean water.
They can only store so much food in there.
I know the signs of a aproaching class war if i see them.
You mean a sudden escalation.
The current class war has been going on for decades.
They could just try being nice, but I guess that's too much work
And what is so funny is that despite all the eat the rich talk from lefties like us it is usually a right winger that will be the one pulling the trigger on those people.
Looks like mortars are back on the menu
lets make them put those fancy security systems to use.
Time to start the siegin' folks!
When they hide in a bunker, just bury the bunker. Pour concrete over the entrance.
I just had a brief fantasy of immigrant laborers bricking up the gate, then backing dozens of cement trucks to the walls of these compounds and filling the whole fucking thing.
Archeologists hundreds of years from now will have a field day with these sites.
For the love of God, Montressor!
This is nothing new to the Mega Rich and absolutely an ad read from WSJ to the Middle Rich.
Unless you got a Black Agnes hiding in there it ain't gonna do much.
What's that, a Scottish 90yo version of Black Widow? 🤔
She was the lady of Dunbar during the second war of Scottish independence. She rather famously held the castle from pro-English forces through most of the war.
Read this as "black angus"
Good luck, shit birds.
Ah yes, that worked during previous revolts
I'm pretty sure a tomato and a slingshot could still touch them.
Seems like a wasted opportunity though.
This plays out on a less extreme level too, when an area attracts wealth the more wealthy residents will silo themselves behind security gates and kill any sense of community that the area previously had.
Look how they run.
That wall looks fairly easy to climb over
How are their defenses against suicide drones? What about human shit dropping drones? Bomb dropping drones?
If it's a war they want
They'll have radar, and antiaircraft artillery.
Doesn't help against sewage pumps.
wow we're really in end game huh
Fantastic moats on the tax payer. Is this a family guy episode?