I totally agree, too much is too much.
17d 17h ago by lemmy.zip/u/roserose56 in whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works from lemmy.zip
And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don't understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I'm kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.
It probably shouldn't be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.
Edit: This is an awesome approach to moderation btw. People like you make lemmy great, thank you!
I was searching for a community to post it, but I couldn't find any. This one seemed closer to the idea l, a post where it says something. I also think I saw a photo from Facebook in this community, so...m Maybe we need a community about posts like these, but not twitter.
Is there a lemmydrama like subredditdrama? Maybe a fedidrama community would work. I don't know if one exists yet
You can post it in my community. Or Lemmy Shitpost. Here's a link:https://lemmy.world/c/itsashitworld
I havent read the rules of the comm. but ive always perceived whitepeopletwitter as a place to post text based social media screenshots.
We need to keep the cycle going. Remove the post, so that OP can make their own fuck this I'm done post.
Do whatever, ruleslawyering is not helpful. Is the community enjoying it? It stays. Is it detrimental? It gets removed. The "rules" should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
Is someone posting vaguely in the direction of the intent of the community? That would be good enough for me.
Anyone trying to separate posts into increasingly niche communities (like the asinine dontdeadopeninside and nosafetysmokingfirst split on reddit) is not helping the community of posters and lurkers.
The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
I totally agree. Rules number 1, 4, and 5 are the most important, in my opinion. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rules in the communities; there definitely should be rules. Guidelines for what to post instead of what not to post will probably be more beneficial.
People like this need to accept and understand that we don't want to talk about US politics everywhere, all the time.
I don’t tend to think of wpt as specifically twitter posts. Maybe that’s how it started, but over time it has become a more generalized “screenshots of short text posts” type of thing in my mind. The “or similar” in the rules leaves a lot of ambiguity, but in my mind Twitter was always about short text posts, so any short text posts would fall under that “similar” umbrella. I wouldn’t object to seeing something from Facebook, Instagram, or Reddit being posted here as long as it was a text post and not super long, so it feels disingenuous to complain about a Lemmy post being here.
Especially since, twitter isn't even twitter anymore. And the only thing you are going to get from what twitter has become is ragebait, bots, and racism. For "whitepeopletwitter" to continue and not end up dying from lack of content, it needs to start opening up to other sources that stick with the same idea as what twitter used to supply.
I think it's the mod reason for removing that the person who reported it had a problem with.
It should be in YPTB, but they’ll just use that as more proof of their “outrage”.
the original was twitter
As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I'm not sure what this means
Yes, that's what I mean. It was on a twitter like site.
Sounds fine to me, if this is a picture of a Twitter-like site then I don't really see an issue
I am not sure how this changes the "the post was against the states rules which are there for a reason and the mod was the absolute most gentle about it" facts.
Did I get the facts wrong?
Fighting to remove as many posts as possible on Lemmy when we barely get any posts at all doesn't make sense; ignore the people requesting you take a popular post down for some potential technicality.
We have trolls here too. I'm okay if they take a hike, lol.
You’re right.
I’m going to start posting my gunpla in cooking communities because we need content.
I don't see the original. All I see are Lemmy related images and that, to me, doesn't belong here.
Ignores the don't X here sign then gets mad when they aren't allowed to X
"It's so unfair!" ... as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml's authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they've never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don't like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Took about two seconds.
Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.
Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.
Pretty much what happened to 4chan
Voat was so fucking toxic. Radioactive hate swamp.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
Yes, you got me: by "hidden rules" I obviously meant the very highly visible, non-hidden ones, placed where nobody can miss them at the top of the page.
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald's hides the Big Mac from the public too.
The issue with a "no politics" rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.
Okay and if the users of that community are happy with that and you are free to stay away, where is the problem exactly?
The issue is that users generally don't get a say. Even in the fediverse, moderators aren't chosen democratically. Yeah, you can start your own community and try to build it up, but inertia is not in your favor.
Anyway, my point is that a "no politics" rule is not really reasonable. You can have one, and you can enforce it however you want. It will always just end up causing issues though. For example: look up Nazi degenerate art. It's just art, right? However, to them it was political, and it was political in a way they didn't like, so they removed it from society.
No moderator is perfect. Even if you trust them, blurry rules probably aren't the best. There's better ways to define the intent than "no politics" that create clear borders of what's allowed and what isn't. Blurry rules are usually best for those who want to abuse it.
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say.
Yes that is because they don't carry any of the responsibilities of running the server. Why would they be allowed to decide?
I didn't say they should. Your comment implied that they did (or at least implies participation is consent). I just pointed out that they, in fact, do not. There is no value judgement in that statement.
I am excited to see how your lemmy instance works out. When will it go online?
I just saw this post on "All". I'm not part of this community and I don't care to open an alternative for it. I'm just point out how blurry rules are open for abuse. Just because you agree with the person running things today doesn't mean someone in the future won't use it to remove something you want to stay. I don't understand how people don't get this yet.
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It's hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
I won't say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don't want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it's not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what's happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
That said, I'm fine with having a general "news" that allows it all, "political news" that is strictly political, "apolitical news" that allows everything else but politics, "uplifting news" that is actually uplifting, "climate news" that is specifically about that, "science news" etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we're not running out of room to store them.
I think part of why it's like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it's like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.
Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y'know putting their politics where it didn't belong ("weird" that it's the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.
Daft_ish has got a real problem if they're that outraged by the mod's response. I've seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn't it.
US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.
I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country's politics, because you can't get away from it without blocking most posts on here.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Inb4: "You're just privileged enough not to have to think about it."
No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn't mean that I never talk about politics either, it's like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!
This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what's happening with our country.
But I've had to pare down the places where I see it. I've stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just....can't anymore.
I'm acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.
But man...the right's "flood the zone" works effectively and I can't just keep burning out.
Exactly. We're not blind or don't care about politics. I'm more than aware of my country's problems and the US's...
But how am I meant to not burn out on this stuff if I can't get away from it?
Sure I could just detox from social media and go work on something that interests me, and that's what I do most of the time...
But sometimes I do still want to chat with others, and it'd be nice to be able to do that and have it not be about politics.
I know more about US politics than my own country’s politics, which is a problem because it’s an election year and the Nazis need to get out of parliament.
I need to get into the details of things so I can do my civic duty, but I’m fucking exhausted from all the American politics that for my own sanity I just don’t want to.
Exactly. The far right of most countries barely even need to try anymore, the US has gotten so good at flooding the news that they even burn out people from other countries from the constant cynicism
has a very mild run-in with one singular community's admin "That's it, I'm done with the entire platform !"
And a respectful and considerate encounter at that
Are they both the same person?
I had to switch instances a couple times before I found one who kinda tolerates my bullshit.
Lemmyshitposts doesn't have a rule against political posts and I fucking hate it. Shitposts are sacred. A shitpost is just silly, irreverent humor. That's it. The moment you bring an agenda into that space it changes into something else.
There was a while there where I was really into wholesome memes. People really don’t get what wholesome is. I started getting legitimately upset at what people thought was appropriate there so I had to block the communities.
I remember that. It's seems to have toned down a little but, like, no Lemmy, a murder revenge fantasy isn't a wholesome meme. Jfc
on the flip side there's the million "orphan crushing machine forgot to crush one orphan today! so wholesome!" type posts that are even worse imho...
you know the ones: "kids save up to buy wheelchair for classmate", "kid works 80h weeks to pay off lunch debt", "kid works at meat packing plant after school to afford bicycle", and on and on.
each is more depressing than the previous.
these types of posts are the exact opposite of wholesome, yet frequently get upvoted on wholesome communities and it's just...what is wrong with people? why would you think that shit is wholesome??
neither the stuff you mentioned, nor the orphan crushing machine stuff should be on wholesome communities.
tbf, i noticed the popular wholesome comms seem to be doing a lot better on this front lately! waaay less orphan crushing machine, and way less of the "x died, yippee!" posts.
For sure, those were the posts that ultimately got me off other social media and lead me here, haha.
A few years ago on reddit I tried to put together a little multireddit of wholesome and positive-news subs, but so many of the posts were Orphan Crushing Machine material that I gave up :/
I think that's been dealt with since in case you want to check again.
I would make c/politicalshitposts but I am not responsible enough to be in charge of anything other then a Crack pipe and a liquor bottle.
Not saying mod was wrong but… It’s weird how we define politics.
Like, if portals started randomly appearing all over the Earth, spawning little goblins that like to turn human bodies inside-out, that would pretty clearly not be politics — but only for like 2 months.
After a while, the political parties would settle on their positions (probably with one of them calling it a hoax), and from that point forward saying “I can’t believe people are okay with the inside-out goblins” will be labeled “political”.
Which I guess is basically how fascism wins so easily. As long as it’s impolite to acknowledge the horrors of the world, it’s okay for them to continue.
Still, though - c/showerthoughts?
Like, in all seriousness, I don't think lack of ability to flood a Lemmy community, least of all the one in question, is going to have any effect on the matter. Like, at all.
It appears the post was removed, so the system worked, right?
I mean, I think about the horros.of the world.in the shower.
If literal hell on earth was happening, and I was spending most of my real world time dealing with it, and there was nowhere I could go to escape from it and people exclusively talked about it all of the time, I would kill myself. We are allowed to stop talking about it sometimes.
We're not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It's not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
Using it as an analogy, how does going to a bunch of kids who can barely take care of themselves and asking them to save the world actually help?
The people on fediverse already know about the horrors, most are against the horrors and are trying to help. They don't need more requests or more prodding with a stick. They need more thanks for standing up instead, if anything.
The target audience is the wide world beyond this place. The ones that can help but don't. The ones in charge or the ones putting them in charge.
A successful social interaction requires selecting the right audience and the correct circumstances. And a lot of the communities here ain't either.
We're not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It's not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
This was the attitude of millions of Americans.
I don’t disagree with you at all, you didn’t do this, you aren’t responsible for it but it’s here nonetheless. My kiddo is recovering from surgery right now, it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t ask for it, but if we didn’t do something about it, he would have had terrible repercussions from it. Did we have to do it, no, we could have just noted it and hoped it would take care of itself. Was it unfair, absolutely. But he’s got meds to take, and even though he didn’t ask for any of this, he’s doing what he needs to to get better.
I’m truly sorry, as someone from one of the places fucking up the world. I too did not ask for this, and I’ve been trying as hard as I can to prevent and now stop this. The horrors will continue, it’s happening in places all across the world, I hope it doesn’t arrive for you.
Ok, so would you like me to follow you around lemmy and constantly remind you of your kid's surgery on every single post, or would you like to continue being able to talk about things related to whatever community you're in so that maybe for a brief second you can have a bit of peace?
I'd be willing to do that for you, if you feel like you're missing out and like people shoving politics where it doesn't belong just because "it's here nonetheless," I can shove your personal issues where they don't belong for you and hopefully that cheers you up.
Sigh, analogies are a bit much for some people huh?
Sorry if some folks have shower thoughts about things that are happening in the world. Ignore the thoughts you can’t handle or grasp. The world has a lot of shit happening and a lot of people take showers.
Sigh, counting is just too much for some people. Turns out c/showerthoughts has more than one rule: must be showerthought. That is rule 1 but you'll notice rule 3 is quite clear:
And they even offer an alternative appropriate community right there. So, y'know fuck off and stuff.
You are very angry about this. I’m conversing about the post here, I haven’t said a thing in showerhoughts. Doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.
Have a lovely day friendo.
Well, "the post here" is talking about posting political things in showerthoughts, a community with a rule saying "no politics," and yes I'm very angry that I can't even get a short respite from politics even where it's disallowed by name. It's incredibly annoying and contributing to political burnout not just for me but many others here too. You repeating the same line as those that ignore the community rules, "it's happening regardless," isn't super helpful, and on a post where they're all here defending their evangelism, yeah you came off as defending it too.
I don't care if "it's happening regardless," when I go to c/dogpics to avoid it for a brief break I don't need it there too, thus cheating me out of my break. It's the internet equivalent of my boss making me work through my break at work and it's just as annoying. Have all the opinions you want, just don't post them in some community with "no opinions" in the sidebar and we're all good.
You have a nice day too pal.
So don’t do the thing you seem incapable of doing and do not engage with it. I never forced you to read my posts, and this is a public forum where people can downvote to their hearts content.
The reason I’m even mentioning it is as a discussion. I’m not doing it, but I am also observant enough of human nature to know some rules on the side of the page won’t do shit. Just like the politics, either do something about it or ignore it.
Otherwise good luck changing reality.
I'm capable both of wanting a place to escape politics, and talking about how such spaces should be respected, and when the evangelists aren't spreading their gospel where it doesn't belong I can sometimes actually visit such spaces. This is the "talking about how such spaces should be respected" part, which happens to be on topic for the post about how such spaces should be respected. Nice try hun.
I get that you do, so downvote, get yourself an instance and ban accounts that break the rules, I’m 100% for it.
My initial post I was both agreeing with the comment about the sentiment, that they shouldn’t have to be confronted with it. The rest was an attempt to illustrate why it’s human nature and inevitable. I ended it saying I’m sorry assholes do it. I meant it both politically and in support of the sentiment.
So you attack and swear at me when I agree but happen to acknowledge that it’s going to fucking happen and suggest you learn to ignore it.
Grow the fuck up.
Oh I do downvote it a lot and ignore as much as I can, but on a post about it where it is being discussed I think it's appropriate to discuss it. And so, discussion.
Murder is "going to fucking happen" too, doesn't mean I have to "just ignore it bro" instead of saying "murderers are dicks and should stop murdering."
Typical troll bullshit, go away
5 words and I’m the troll.
Best of luck bud.
Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she's eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is
It wasn't even a shower thought.
This is just as important for me, it's a terrible fit for the Comm.
As somebody who just came here from Reddit, I find all of these communities refreshingly free of American politics.
On a side note, welcome.
If you haven't figured this out already and your front page feels stale, then switch around to "Hot," "Top 6 Hours" or "Active." Active is the default and feels stale on topics.
I like "scaled"
Am I the only "All" enjoyer? I dont even subscribe to communities.
I'm on "All" right now 😎
I have the complete opposite experience, I almost cannot escape it here. My reddit infinite scroll was way more diverse, here it's exclusively american politics and linux, and if it wasn't for linux I would quit this whole platform
I would have already went back to reddit if it wasn't for the ability to block communities.
I don't understand why have comms literally about politics and world news if you're just going to post the same stuff to any other comm that really doesn't need that kind of content. If people keep ignoring what belongs where, why have comms at all? Idk, maybe it's my OCD talking...
Yeah, so when I go to shitpost and people start taking the posts seriously, I try to say hey folks, look where you are, this isn't a serious community, let's keep the shit light.
And so yeah, when folks shoehorn political agendas into literally any community they can, I'll point out how it's got nothing to do with the community, and how it's frustrating, because it does not further the community, it just furthers that person's (or bot's) agenda.
The problem with cute animals now isn’t politics, it’s AI. I don’t want to watch ANY AI animals. Just the thought of being tricked into watching even 1/4 of a vid that ends up being AI, or giving it $$$ via views, has destroyed /awww and all the rest.
I hate this timeline.
I post in a lot of animal communities, and while I cannot speak for others, I do not knowingly upload AI. I even started checking with AI detectors, which is not something I’ve had to do even a year ago.
I think the rest of Lemmy (at least the core users) are very anti-AI and, like me, might only upload it by accident. So I assume good intent until proven otherwise.
What makes me feel better about Lemmy is knowing that no one is making money off of me. Even if I do end up falling for some AI - there are no influencers making a buck off it unlike on IG and FB and TikTok.
I have an ever growing list of blocked words on here, all in a futile attempt to limit how much US shit finds its insidious way into my feed. I really, really shouldn't fucking have to mute half the dictionary, just to be able to access the internet without getting pissed off.
I feel bad for those Americans who are suffering, and stand in solidarity with them. But man, it's relentless. I know far too much about US politics.
I'm in the same position and I agree.
Is that a baby sloth?
I'm not the sort that gushes all the time about baby animals, but that is like the cutest little thing ever. I want to squish it and pet it.
It is!
Brb gonna post this in a political community, because community rules don't matter the other way so I should be good, right?
What are rules for if not breaking?
Following.
Also keyword blocking does fuck-all for screenshots of microblog posts to tangentially related communities... Every day I come across several US politics posts even with me deliberately not subscribing to any political or US-specific communities, and only looking at my subscriptions. (Admittedly reddit is much worse at this, with generic subs like r/AskReddit and r/LeopardsAteMyFace being inundated with Trump crap.)
FYI, c/leoopardsatemyface is an OG political community.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/leopards-eating-peoples-faces-party
thanks, that was a bad example then :D
then instead: r/nottheonion and r/clevercomebacks
You know what's crazy? Proper use of alt-text would save you from this.
As much as I hate seeing the copy-paste block of text on why alt-text should be included with image posts... I can't help but admit that alt-text paves the way for better post filtering and overall information preservation.
I'm not sure what copy-paste block that is, but I'm absolutely in favour of people including alt text in their posts. It helps disabled people, and both the searchability and filterability of the post. It just requires giving a shit, and that's generally more effort than people put into posting 😐
That being said. Is there a community to post thoughts that may be political in nature? Pretty much all of the communities I’ve seen (politics, etc) only allow links to articles in their rules.
edit: Sorry, can't just export that list as clickable links. App is Voyager.
I guess you have to make a mastodon post of your thought, then screenshot it to /c/political_memes
I'd be interested in seeing a politicaldiscussions community that would allow for that. I just don't have the time or energy to mod something like that or create and maintain a set of rules that would keep the discussions fair. I'd be hard pressed to find a way to prevent brigading and encourage positive discourse, even where I disagree.
When it comes to activism, I've often said that, 'most people know the difference between a good vegan and a bad vegan'. Being insufferable, overbearing, or pushing discussions where they aren't needed or wanted does nothing to help your cause, it usually does the opposite. When you talk to most people who ascribe to a certain political, lifestyle, or activist way of life, you'll usually find that most of them are pretty normal and non-pervasive people; IE you may never even know those details without asking them. This goes for most things. Fitness enthusiast vs gym bro. Music/Media enjoyers vs gatekeepers. Activist who promote and provide good accurate information in a hands off way, vs those who push political messaging where it's not wanted. Be a good vegan.
I'm glad that those interested or in many cases, obsessed with politics have a place to discuss it but I have no interest in seeing it so In conjunction with instance and community blocking, I use the filters to block any new "hot" political word or phrase that I find my feed inundated with. Once the core block list is built, adding something new is only required every other week or so to keep the feed politics-free.
The instance and community blocks do the majority of the heavy lifting but a filter list is an absolute necessity to get rid of the users that insist on injecting politics into every community they find.
My filters in Thunder:
- Trump
- Epstein
- ICE agent
- micropenis
Suggestions are welcome.
Musk
Mass shooting Peace Nobel prise Israël Greenland
DHS
Too generic, I don't even know what is it.
Department of Homeland Security. If you're blocking "ICE agent", this is a related term. It's mentioned in almost every other post about ICE.
what is happening in the US is of course a serious matter and I am happy we have places, communities etc. that keep on spreading awareness about such topics.
This said, like other folks have already mentioned, there are also places where you want to take a gasp of air and just have a nice laugh.
Awareness on these topics is undoubtedly important but done so in the right places.
the comment of the moderator to reason the deletion of the political post is more than reasonable and done wonderfully and it's sad to see the unfortunate response of this user, playing almost victim.
Let us continue to talk about the politics around the world and spread information and awareness BUT done in a way that allows others to also have a moment to take a breath in places where they momentarily don't want to be bombarded with x bad thing happening in y place and how this leads to z
Cute animal pictures inevitably leads to conversations like:
- Pitbulls should be banned!
- Cats are an invasive species that are terrible for the environment and you shouldn't let them outside
- Vegan arguments against pets
- Vegan arguments against feeding pets meat
Politics is just turning life into a legal model, the way physics turns the universe into a mathematical model. To ban politics is to ban life itself. It is incredibly naive to think you can do so.
Maybe you could ban US-cdntric discussion, but even that seems like a fool's errand. We live in a globally connected world and the US is one of the most dominant forces in that world. Like it or not, US politics impacts the entire planet.
Declawing cats.
Docking tails.
Breeds of pets that are guaranteed to have health issues later in life.
For profit animal breeders in general.
Tbf I wouldn't complain about dog politics in a dog community, even though it would be nice if I didn't have to argue against animal cruelty and instead could just look at a pic of a cute doggy, at least it fits the comm. At the same time, if the comm rules decide that dog politics are still politics and therefore banned, then follow the comms rules instead of trying to bully everyone into your rules, which doesn't sound very leftist to me.
Do I need to see posts about ICE in the dog comm? Fuck no.
Honestly I'm surprised I have to explain that, it seems like common sense. Just keep shit related to the comm, and post other shit elsewhere.
Like, should I start posting about Slackware in c/news and c/pics and c/dogs, or should I keep it in one of the many linux comms it belongs in? Ok, now, take that and apply it to everything else.
Yay, we did it, we did it, hooray!
I can't listen to the radio or watch any broadcast media any longer because Trump politics will not shut the fuck up.
It has invaded every bit of american discourse and separating the two will be nigh impossible until the source of the disturbance is remedied. it is literally impossible as an american right now not to be about this crisis.
so yeah i get it. but the elephant in the room is conducting the score, and we are literally drowning with only social media as a place to expunge.
block me at
https://reddthat.com/c/7735_41st_ave_se_lacey_wa
and a large portion of my conflagrations towards media will be less visible.
otherwise i apologize for it when i contribute. and i hope that moderation like this helps.
Yea I'm avoiding american polotics as much as I can as well. Otherwise, it is EVERYTHING I see online.
Let me guess, European hosted? Yeah I ditched them for their suppression of pro-Luigi speech. Fuck em.
1930s: dae get tired of hearing about this hitler guy?
It's OK to want to take a break from politics.
There's also plenty of spaces on lemmy to discuss US politics. Not every space needs to accept posts like that.
Agreed, I subscribe to a bunch of political stuff.....but it is nice to take a mental health moment and laugh at somehting.
I wish I could get away from it. It’s too fucking depressing at times.
I feel the same way. I mostly just been using lemmy on my work breaks, and the last thing I want to see while stressed out is American politics.
Am I going mad or are the 2 stitched together images not from the same person? The comments are acting like they are though.
Top part = a mod deleting a post about American politics
Bottom part = a comment from a Lemmy person saying he has had enough with American politics on Lemmy.
They both agree? Right?
So the bottom image is showing a comment on a post titled "Fuck Lemmy, i'm done" which I believe contained the top image. im assuming it was posted by the person that received the mod removal message in top image. the second image is mostly focusing on a comment from that post thread from another Lemmy user that disagrees with the OP's take.
I struggle with words sometimes - idk if I made that more confusing lol.
It was taken with voyager, that's how voyager app takes photo of comment + post l.
Guys, are we really surprised that America colonised the English-speaking Internet?
seems like a lot of people want strict rules and enforcement. bots can do some things like word substitutions and other obvious code-able things. human intervention takes longer. most people can scroll on to posts more to their liking. if there is no community that meets your standards, it's a sign you need to start your own community and mod the way you want. i tend to not post in strictly modded groups. i'm not that pedantic and like groups where down-votes and comments do most of the moderation. spammers get removed soon enough.
I don't think a lot of people do. I think a very vocal minority does, comprised of a very specific demographic.
Just like reddit I guess
There be some dumb motherfuckers in here.
Want to post whatever the fuck you want? Join my community: It's a Shit World! (Rules are still in place)
Huh. Can't find it.
!itsashitworld@lemmy.world
Looks like someone needs a "crying-in-a-fetal-position-while-showering-thoughts" community.
If youre gonna feed the trolls, can you give me some cheetos?
I disagree, fascism is everyone's problem, and ignoring it only gives it power.
Yes but having spaces where we do not talk about the scum of the earth is a totally different thing from ignoring the problem.
Not really. "We don't talk about that here" is literally playing straight into the hands of this fascist onslaught and thought manipulation online.
Safe spaces are EXACTLY what people in the far right want. Not for anything they dont like, like Trans acceptance or long term ecological rehabilitation.
But absolutely 100% "hey I'm tired of seeing the hellscape of my own creation so if we could limit any troublesome 'politics' or 'social agenda' discussion that would be great."
So no, creating a 'safe space' is exactly the same thing as ignoring the problem. Out of sight, out of mind, right?
I swear there is a botswarm in here downvoting anyone who isn't for censorship. It's ridiculous the ratios, you're definitely in the right here.
„Every time the vote doesn't approve of my point, it must be a bot swarm“.
Look, this is not about censorship. It is about where the right place for certain things is. I see you naked in the sauna? That's alright. I see you naked at my workplace? I will kick you out. Easy as that.
No one, even USsians who are no right-wing motherfuckers and should care about those things can be angry all the time. You will burn out pretty soon. Go out, be angry, do something. But when youncome back home, live your live, try to be as happy as possible and load your batteries, or you will hurt very much .
how about you realize you're acting like a smug little prick who doesn't want to be considerate
yo mama
Yeah I'm not convinced it is. We know a big part of the issue is voter apathy, and if you aren't furious then you aren't paying attention. For you a politics free space might not enable apathy, but it very clearly does for many, many other people.
If people are being force-fed horrors at every turn, even in their happy little hobby place then that will feed apathy. People can only care for so much for so long before they get burnt out and don’t have the energy to care for others or themselves anymore. In which case, many people will stop caring for others simply so they have the mental and emotional resources to care for themselves
Not horrors. Reality.
Being burnt out is a privilege you will not have when this all reaches the logical conclusion.
hey man, only americans can change american politics. So you go back to american politics subs and do your evangelism there
Only so much non US Americans can do about the orange though. . .
So, all those do not constantly need to engage with American politics.
This is not about American politics. It's about ALL politics, period. And how do you define what is and what isn't politics? It's not exactly a trivial proposition, and the decision lies all in the hands of a few right skewed mods, just like on Reddit, and just like on Reddit they abuse that power to silence opinions that they don't personally agree with.
Alex Pretti is just US-American politics though. Nobody outside of the US has any other opinion than that this was a public execution by the police. We just don't want to continuously engage with bad faith actors online. This is something Americans have to fix themselves.
Genocide or murder is bad is only political under fascism. That someone is sad that humanist values are not held strongly enough should not be considered political. Just because anti-human perspectives are mainstream "politics", doesn't make them real, even if you are fatigued by being reminded of them, as fake controversy.
Just post and upvote the aww so that your happiness is blissfully enhanced.
I think it's messed up to create these little safe spaces because people want to shield themselves from what's going on in the world. Nobody is forcing them to interact with posts they don't want to see, but it's a different thing altogether to ban and block posts so that these ostrich types don't have to face reality in their doomscrolling drip-feed.
Some of us in the US are fully aware of the situation, keeping ourselves updated with the latest information, engaging in community efforts, etc. and don't have the energy to keep looking at the problem during our little time away from the problem. Does that make us Ostrich-like?
But of course, that doesn't mean our experiences should dictate the way the rules are interpreted in a community meant for a global (albeit mostly English-speaking) audience.
So just keep scrolling then, bud. Why trying to stop people from expressing themselves just because you personally don't like it? Talk about symptomatic of American politics as a whole!
When did I ever say people should stop? I expressed that it wears me down. I still see it everywhere, and I think people should keep talking about it despite it sucking to see plastered everywhere. Hence the last part of my previous reply.
I think the reason people do this is partially because if their post is allowed to remain that affirms to them that their opinions are so commonplace (at least in some circles) that it is considered apolitical. Being allowed to bend the rules makes them feel less alone
What a bizarre groundless conjecture based on pure vibes.
When you think about it, Americans are not that different from Arabs in this regard specifically, which is making your own problems everyone elses.
Please, elaborate.
They have trouble not making everything about themselves in general as seen here.
I’ve seen examples of Americans do this, when do Arabs do it?
When they come in the west to start protests about how we gotta stop everything to save palestine and such, do i really need to explain this ?
and by stop everything, you mean stop funding their genocide? Y’all are involved, that’s why it’s your problem too.
No its not me and its not you, its the governments and crooked politicians who are. You're brainwashed.
Like it or not, governments and crooked politicians represent the people in a democracy.
"No politics please" sounds like a great rule until the results of politics kick down your door and black bag you.
There are enough places to talk about it, also not everyone is American
So if something bad happens in any country, from any government abusing it's citizens, that is also not allowed? Because that's not how it seems to work. It's specifically US politics posts that get removed.
Yeah, most of the time it is US politics getting removed, because 10,000 other NA users have already posted about the same thing lol.
If you are posting your "other country politics" in a comm that says "no political posts" then yes your post should be removed from that comm. Go post it in one of the 23 quadrillion political communities instead. You want me to post about FedoraKDE issues I'm having in c/pics or c/EpsteinFiles, or should I post it in one of the 40 godzillion Linux comms?
Probably the reason you're seeing mostly US politics get removed is because they won't shut the fuck up and stop posting it in unrelated comms or without checking if someone else beat them to it thus making theirs a redundant double in a comm. People from like, Luxembourg or fucking Cambodia, just aren't doing that type of thing. And tbh if they were it might slip by on language barrier alone.
You seem bitter. Hope whatever's bothering you gets better.
Me too, I'll lyk when y'all start following the rules and keeping politics where it belongs and not where it doesn't.
Evidently the sentiment isn't having a wide enough reach, as people are crawling into their echo chambers to avoid not having to deal with the fallout of their apathy, handing elections over to the nasties.
Not everyone was German/Italian/Japanese in the 1930s-40s either. Pretty sure those countries still affected others, though.
I an pretty sure all you guys ever do is complain and bitch and moan. But taking action as a US-ian? "where is my burger?"
We have a rather extreme voter apathy epidemic combined with the resultant diarchy, where the main objective is not solving problems, but ensuring the top two dogs are always on top followed by winning the next election against the other team.
You wrongfully assert 100% of Americans don't care and don't do anything; it's more that a large enough percentage of Americans don't care and don't do anything such that the powers that be know they can do whatever awful thing they want to do for their donors.
And somehow reminding everyone on this echo chamber again even in non-political communities is going to reach those not here to see it? Just put it in the damn communities it belongs in problem solved, everyone here will see it but I can also go look at cool owls and shit for a second in peace, win win.
"Just put everything in that box in the cellar where it belongs" is not how discourse works. If you start filtering out specific ideas then you create the exact kind of algorithm driven dystopia you see on TikTok, only you do it manually. It is a direct way to silence legitimate thoughts and opinions to appease some small subset of angsty teenagers who want everything to be fucking slop enema without any critical thought attached ever. It's sad to see on here, this was supposed to be an alternative to that dumb shit on reddit, yet here people are trying to turn it into the same.
I could just as easily say "go watch that shit on Discord if you don't like it", because that's basically what your argument amounts to.
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It isn't "the box in the cellar" if it's just on another comm on all, ffs.
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If you fuckers wouldn't evangelise so hard that it becomes inescapable when someone just wants to look at a cute doggy for a short break, people wouldn't have to use keyword censors to stop seeing all your content, meaning they'd still see some. You're incentivising the exact cellar scenario you speak against, good job.
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Let people have interests other than yours, you selfish prick, just because I don't want to see politics in a non political community doesn't mean I never engage with politics. Maybe if you can't follow the agreed upon rules of a community and have to bully your way into it, you aren't as left as you seem to think. I hope you get the help you need.
Somehow putting uncomfortable conversations into tiny boxes everyone avoids doesn't feel like the way to stop the rise of the far right.
Enjoy the sand around your head, though.
"Tiny boxes" as in "the appropriate space where political discussion is welcome" is bad but "fuck you and your community rules what I say goes and you must see political shit in a dog community or whatever because you cannot breathe for ten fucking minutes" is good.
Enjoy contributing to burnout and forcing people to use wordlist blockers to censor all of the content instead of them seeing some, hurting your own cause can be good if it makes you feel morally superior to everyone else, though.
You're constructed an excellent false dichotomy there, haven't you?
No u, you're the one who, on a conversation about not putting political things in rules-specified apolitical communities, decided to equate "talking about it in the appropriate place" to "echo chamber blah blah blah there must be no brief respite from my political posts even on communities that are specifically for other things despite there being mostly fucking political communities here." As if posting on lemmy comms that are unrelated actually does fuck all for anyone in an actual echo chamber that might need to hear it. Go tell Rumble ffs, or goddamn threads/bluesky even, lemmy is already the echo chamber that knows all the other posts on lemmy it isn't that big dude.
Your comment was a pain to read. Am I understanding correctly that you're mostly repeating yourself and ignoring my point about your false dichotomy?
Nobody here is saying we need to invade /c/cutepicsofpuppies with Donald Trump is Bad posts. You're saying "Get Politics off my Lemmy." I'm saying somewhere in the middle is best.
Again you accuse me of what you yourself are doing. This is a post about not putting political things in communities that have a rule "no politics." It's absolutely about invading c/cutepicsofpuppies with Trump is bad posts, and instead putting it in one of the many political lemmy communities where that shit actually belongs. You inventing this "no politics on lemmy at all" strawman is all you. What sidebar do you think the rule is in if not lemmy's ffs.
So to catch you up to speed, ignoring the rules in a lemmy comm's sidebar and posting politics where it says "no politics" does absolutely fuck all to deal with the "echo chambers" of which you speak. C/cutedogpics is not an echo chamber and therefore posting Trump bad there is simply breaking community rules to annoy people here already. If you actually want to affect those in the echo chambers of which you speak, then yes, you have to go there. Those people aren't on TrumpSocial, Rumble, Twitter, and Threads and also only c/cutedogpics on lemmy, they're not here at all.
You're the one with the false equivalencies, saying that "don't post politics to lemmy comms that say no politics" equates to an echo chamber, then you say "if you want to affect those actually in an echo chamber you have to go to that echo chamber" is me saying "get politics off lemmy entirely." It's honestly laughable, I can't tell if you're sincerely misunderstanding the concept that hard or if you're maliciously misunderstanding it, but either way it's pathetic.
You inventing this “no politics on lemmy at all” strawman is all you.
Okay, off my community. Is that better? I can't tell if you're being intentionally pedantic or not, but I guess if you're not, the main issue I'm getting at here is politics is a whack-a-mole where it's NIMBY until there's nowhere but /c/politics to talk about it, at which point the baddies win because all dissent is properly quarantined and people have a much easier time pretending nothing is going wrong.
Also can you put all of your personal attacks in the garbage where they belong?
I mean at this point I'm fairly confident you're just trolling. This is about following lemmy community (sublemmy, if you're a philistine) rules. Simple as. If you can't follow the rules get the fuck out, how is this news? NIMBY my dick.
You're being ten times the troll I could ever aspire to be, especially in light of your getting shitty in this comment.
Enjoy the block.
What good does reminding us of Alex Pretti's death do? We're not exactly on the fence about ICE here on Lemmy
And some of us aren't even American, and sometimes it's nice after being reminded of it in 4 other daily posts and it being on the news I can go "well all that is probably enough reminding me of that event for today, I'd like to go look at cats for FIVE MINUTES and not have it be there too."
An assault on democracy anywhere is an assault of democracy everywhere, first of all, secondly what happens in the USA directly impacts the rest of the world, not sure if you noticed. Thirdly, the fact that we're not on the fence is precisely because we talk about it. It's not just about ICE, it's about all politics, it has a direct impact on how we think and feel about things in our own countries- case in point being how for instance right wing regimes in the EU are now vying to implement ICE like measures along the mediterranean, and being aware of and taking a stance against that shit as it happens abroad is the first step to prevent it at home, memes be damned.
You're not even preaching to the choir, you're preaching to a whole congregation of other preachers. Trying to explain how important communion is to a Catholic priest. But it ain't Sunday, and we're not at Mass right now. Time, place, audience. Do you think the people of Lemmy would be in favor of right-wing political parties taking over their countries, if only they weren't inundated with the very same American politics that they whine about constantly seeing?
I disagree with your third point. We're not on the fence about ICE, not because people like you won't shut up about them, but because we're all leftists here. Being against ICE is as fundamental an aspect of our political alignment as being in favor of universal healthcare and funding children's school lunches. We're not about to start thinking that it's okay to starve children, if only we stop talking about it for 10 minutes.
An assault on democracy anywhere is an assault on democracy everywhere, but the battleground is not the showerthoughts community on one instance of Lemmy
It's not politics, it is current events.
the phrase "sir, this is a wendy's" comes to mind
Safe spaces is how we got far right echo chambers to begin with.
Do not shield the weak minded from the troubles of society at large. Ignorance is bliss, and I do not want the ignorant to feel anything like "bliss".
I feel like this whole thing is a coordinated censorship attempt. Look at all the downvotes anyone gets who is opposed to this dumb reddit style moderation.
the only coordinated shit happening right now is how you morons decide to be inconsiderate pricks. I guess that tracks for being US-ian.
Follow the community rules. Stop posting political shit to irrelevant communities.
It's communication basics 101: be considerate. You know you can distinguish yourself from fascists by being considerate.
Stop shouting, fix your own shit at home. Yes the whole world knows how feeble minded, captured by AIPAC and ineffective your democrats are and how ice is becoming more and more brazen. You don't have to lecture the whole world about the dangers. Europe and Asia have already experienced shit and we have mountain piles of notes written down.
Bro I'm from Uganda
then why you simping american ideology?
Because we hate homosexuals too.
why would you hate something that had nothing to do with you?
Great, I said we need to talk more about Alex....and the collective fediverse said we need to not talk about politics. Real fucking clown shoes this place.
Lol, so clearly you're not done with Lemmy.
Also, they're right. Most of the world does not live in the US. Not everything needs to be about you. That kind of exceptionalism is one of the reasons your country is not popular right now.
Oh, Im done. Im done shilling for this platform. Mostly done browsing it. Any good i thought there was, im done. Its only a matter of time before lemmy fades into obscurity.
Good, go. Each one of you that does is one step closer to having a functioning platform that abides by community rules and we can have our political discourse and escape from it too when we want to.
I don't want manicotti right now, I want a burrito, doesn't mean I never eat manicotti or that manicotti is bad, but when I order a burrito and receive manicotti from the Mexican restaurant, yeah, I'm fucking pissed, no shit. They shouldn't even have that shit. Now apply that to lemmy and shut the fuck up.
Nod
Fuck off dunce. Keep US politics out of non-political subs. Tf!? How's this hard to understand?
ONLY PARTY ALIGNED POSTS ALLOWED! Why don't you fuck off and get your memefix on Reddit instead if you're into censorship? We literally created this place to get away from that.
Great, so you didn't understand a single word of what i said. Says something about you dumb Americans trying to politicize every single thing. Suck a dick friend
Hey I'm in here fighting with you on your side, don't lump all Americans in with the Hexbear and Grad users evading defeds (defeds that happened because they couldn't keep political posts where they fucking belong, coincidence? I think not.)
Politics doesn't belong in apolitical communities, American, Brazilian, Lithuanian or goddamn Laotian idgaf.
To some degree American politics dominate because there are just so many of us and shutting up isn't our style, sure, but at least they need to keep that shit out of apolitical escapist spaces. Everyone deserves a break sometimes (and it'd probably do those assholes the most good, tbh).
My bad, I just got agitated by their comment. There are definitely many thoughtful ones among you
a mod on a single community is not the collective fediverse
More or less referring to this entire thread
yeah nobody told you we don't need to speak about it. But there are other things we want to speak about as well.
You're probably the family member or colleague that never gets invited anywhere. You sound insufferable.
Right, one post about alex was definitely keeping people from speaking.
As insufferable as I am we both know I dont get invited because im entirely uninterested.
All mod actions are harmful
Only people who abuse the rules feel the need to say this.
https://lemmy.world/comment/22187363
Not shocking at all.
No. Stop being a toxic fuck wit
Same logic as "if you got nothing to hide you got nothing to worry about". What a genuinely dumb fucking thing to say. It's like saying "only criminals are against the death penalty hurr durr".
you're a dumbass if that's the equivalence you derive from that statement.
yo mama
oh so you're acting like an edgelord now. You maybe from Uganda but you act like an SAC
I will have you know my father is the edge lord of our tribe.
There’s a a difference between abusing rules and breaking them. You fall into the former, not the latter.
Spin your own instance. Fully unmoderated as you wish. Enjoy your defederations and lack of users other than trolls and bots, oh and the visit from the gov when someone starts spewing csam onto it.
How insane the dichotomous stupidity. I am not at all saying "do not moderate".
"All actions are harmful" is a statement of empathy and far more nuances than you understand. Your lack of fundamental logic skills are sad.
What the OP posted is extremely flawed logic. There is nothing partisan about the death of Alex Pretti. Wanting to talk about his death is something bipartisan and any halfwit should be able to discern as much if they take the time to think things through. This post is showing mob populism and a lack of morals and ethics that are super dangerous and idiotic. The actions taken against the post were deeply flawed, and the hate here is bigoted tribalistic nonsense. This is turning into a worthless echo chamber and it is driving out people with intellectual balance and half decent logic skills. How pathetic.
I'm with you 100%. I gotta say, there be a phalanx of seriously dumb motherfuckers on here. I get MAGA vibes from the whole thing, just more online astroturfing attempts to silence dissent.
I reported this post to the mods, you’re about to receive harmful action!