Tankie
21h 25m ago by lemmy.world/u/UnderpantsWeevil in lemmyshitpost
I trust a Chinese tank driver more not to drive me over than an ICE agent.
Historically speaking, a safe bet
Eye witness account plus video
Pretty famously, he climbed directly up on the tank and chewed out the driver, then got back down and continued to block the tank. Others in the crowd pulled him away back down the street. The tank didn't try to run him over, he was never reported captured, and as far as we're aware he's alive to this day.
Imagine an American climbing onto the hood of an ICE van or stubbornly maneuvering in front of a vehicle.
Depends. At 4am you don't want to be under tank treads.
After the local troops refused to murder civilians they brought in different troops that were perfectly ok with a little mass murder.
The fact that I trust a Chinese tank driver "more", doesn't mean I trust a Chinese tank driver.
It would have been better formed if I said "I distrust a Chinese tank driver less than an ICE agent-"
I don't care at all of this is im14andthisisdeep. I love it
im21andthisissoooooodeep
In b4 Tallahassee Square
Fuck yes you guys are good
I like that the AI gave the soccer Mom both a soccer ball as well as a soccer purse. Bravo.
So according to the tankie narrative, what this woman is really doing is telling them to go back and do their jobs
Anything's possible when you make shit up
Tankie?
I made this same comparison a few days ago and got down voted to hell for it. Glad I'm not the only one that sees it
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I am a tad confused. Is UnderpantsWeevil calling Renee Nicole Good a tankie, or ICE?
Tankies aren't the people in front of the tanks...
I would hope not🥶
Well, the tanks are replaced with ICE vehicles
then UnderpantsWeevil should have pluralized: “Tankies”
“Nazis” is perfect for me.
ICE trucks are Tanks from AliExpress.
AI generated slop, ICE would not have stopped, ICE would have ran her over and told you to ignore your lying eyes. Though it certainly puts tank man in perspective, it wasn't just tank man, it was those driving and commanding that tank who still had enough shame to stop and not trample them.
No no. As a tankie - I support you. Fuck ice. Tankies are internationaliststs, not one country above all ists.
This dude thinks Ukraine "was asking for it"
Yes they 100 percent deserve what is happening.
anti-whataboutism
Those in control of the USA are internationalists, too.
They don't care who "wins", they profit off of the war itself (and the rebuild for that matter).
They love tankies
They don’t care who “wins”, they profit off of the war itself (and the rebuild for that matter).
Then why would they love tankies, some of the only people who consistently oppose them building and using tanks?
Tankies are "authoritarian communists", they are not pro peace in any way, they love tanks.
(standard definition, not familiar with the tankies that you describe)
Really? Because I'm always calling for staying out of conflicts and dramatically reducing the military budget and people are constantly calling me a tankie because of those stances.
See, if you don't want war, it means you support the other side, and however bad "our" side is, the other side is always worse and more aggressive (the media says so, after all) and that means that anyone who's pro-peace is actually pro-war, freedom is slavery, etc.
So it was when I said we shouldn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan, it meant that I was "a terrorist sympathizer" and "pro-Al Qaida," and when I say we should stay out of Palestine, people say I'm "pro-Hamas" and when I say we should stay out of Ukraine people say I'm "pro-Russia" and a "tankie," and if I don't think the US has the right to kidnap heads of state I'm "supporting dictators." Consistently advocating against the use of tanks is essentially the defining characteristic of a "tankie."
Bedtimes are authoritarian, your parents are dictators
My parents are dead! (runs out of room crying, slams door)
did they head out on a guilt trip and never come back
All of the ICE vehicles I've seen are unmarked, with non-uniformed masked men jumping out of them and attacking people or their vehicles. Maybe 10 years ago, a Florida Man shot a black kid for wearing a hoodie, and got off on "stand your ground laws". Apparentlly, MAGA thinks "if they could be ICE, give them all your money and vehicles" or you, as domestic terrorist scum, deserve to get killed.
The difference being that in the original the protester was safe after the fact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wdwaHQeWmg
Fun Fact: You can totally Google the Not Safe For Life images of the Tiananmen Square massacre. Tank Man wasn't ran over, but many other students were.
Bullshit.
If he was alive and well he would have been trotted out to the public as propaganda by the CCP that they weren’t cruel. Look, see?! He’s alive! There was no massacre! While he regurgitates some safe speech that toed the Party line.
If he’s lucky he disappeared and kept his mouth shut to survive in silence.
Sources conflict as to his identity, and whether or not he was executed, imprisoned , or lived free.
Not that I expect tankies to think anything other than pro-CCP thought.
Literally just watch the video
A) The image isn't even an actual event. The person doesn't exist. Therefore they are neither safe nor unsafe.
B) Sparing the life of one citizen after murdering hundreds is not the flex you think it is
It's not just an image, it's a video depicting a column of tanks leaving a Tiananmen square suspiciously empty of squished bodies. Tanks that, after having supposedly finished squishing hundreds of protestors that aren't seen, just stop for one single guy who stops them and and even talks to the guys inside the first tank.
You should at least learn to comprehend English before spouting bullshit. The OP is an image which actually doesn't feature any tanks at all! Always these mother fuckers dropping in with copy and paste internet warrior bullshit without even understanding context. This shit has to come from A) low-grade troll farms, B) Terrible LLMs or C) people with inconceivably bad grasp of the English language.
The post I replied to was attempting to compare an actual, factual scenario against an imaginary scenario that never took place where anyway is anything and whisful thinking overrides reality. "Making shit up" to push political agendas is vile and disgusting and is called propaganda.
Governmentz murdering innocent people is bad. Full stop. This isn't West vs East tribal war bullshit. It's a damn universal concept. Just swallow that tyrannical governments are bad. It doesn't matter their location, or politics or ethnicity of the perpetrators. It's still wrong and will always be wrong.
I hope anybody who disagrees gets everythings they've ever dreamed of.
What? Are you talking about the literal op image itself and not what it's referencing?
And again, I'm highlighting the absurdity the a bunch of tanks that had supposedly just got finished squishing hundreds of protesters and were then leaving the square (that suspiciously doesn't have hundreds of squished bodies in it) then decide to stop for one dude. How does that make any sense?
I'm highlighting the absurdity the a bunch of tanks that had supposedly just got finished squishing hundreds of protesters and were then leaving the square
Nobody said that? The tank man incident occurred the following day and is a sign of rebellion against a tyrannical government. Nobody except the uneducated or people intentionally obscuring the facts believes both events took place on the same day. Tank man is so powerful because he did it despite the government slaughtering people the day previously. Standing in front of the tank was extremely brave and probably even a little stupid but powerful nonetheless.
This is pretty basic history here. You really think the whole world would make a big hubbub over some rando standing in a street without any further context? People stand in streets everyday and aren't newsworthy.
Attempting to negate the sacrifice of those killed and belittle them is disgusting and wrong.
The Chinese government, like ALL governments, did a bad thing and the only way we grow as people is to admit this shit happens and learn from it, otherwise we're repeating the same cycle forever.
Cope
Dope
Liberals don't want truth or justice, they want a self serving narrative that disguises their contempt for people they feel are beneath them.
Sorry your feelings got hurt.
It’s refreshing seeing less complaints about AI. Soccer Mums attire is on point.
Fuck ICE and fuck AI
And yet you upvoted the meme?
Yup. Can’t win ‘em all.
How can you tell it's AI? Maybe it's just photo editing? Who can say
Because AI does nonsensical things that would require extra effort for a human to do, in this case the lady has a soccer purse and a soccer ball
/me zooms in
Oh, yeah. I guess the prompt was soccer mom.
Good to see a healthy attitude to it developing.
Still way too many zealots screeching. But it's getting there.
Why not just use it and work with it
Why not just burn down a forest for a bit of a giggle?
It throttles my gpu less than playing a game does. ‘Spose we should ban gaming too?
Ai uses large servers and data farms. It doesn’t have to throttle your machine because it isn’t using your machine.
No it does not. When I run an offline model on my machine it uses my 4 year old GPU and runs for ~50 seconds. You people are completely ignorant about how this all works, yet are the most vocal about it.
90% of people do not use offline models, especially for everyone doing ai code and video. The offline models are undeniably worse and slower. These ai companies didn't just magic billions out of thin air, most people are using the massive data farms. Also people are generally not playing 14 hours a day maxed out gaming, where for ai they might use it all day during work.
The existence of offline models highlights a nuance that some people deny even exists though, causing people to talk around one another. I wish it would be more widely acknowledged, as it would make some conversations around AI easier.
You're on a computer. You probably game too. You're burning resources where ever you go. We need tools to fight fascists. I say use the tools we have. Without it, they have an advantage being able to create content and analysis. Also forests are fine. Don't be dramatic. I'm not convinced that bots didn't drive a lot of AI hate so that the left would hobble itself
Ai uses more resources than that and the tech bros are very responsible for the current fascism and I’m not going to use ai slop tools that are quickly using up the rest of our drinking water.
The Forrest’s are not fine. They burn down every fucking year.
You do know you can run it offline on your own PC hardware, right?
Okay? I really don’t give a shit to use the fascist tech bro slop machines. I don’t want it to run offline on my computer. I don’t want it to run at all. I think we should break its legs so it can’t even walk anymore.
Fuuuck ai.
It matters when your argument was that it uses water and more resources than playing games, when the reality is it does neither of them when used on your personal device.
You're complaining about datacentres not LLMs.
LLMs also suck.
Why. Like this is what I'm talking about. Some heritage foundation think tank spent a year telling you they're taking yer jobs and drawing pictures of your women naked and stealing your water and now you're just a zealot refusing to use something that clearly would be beneficial.
And yet none of the reasons you've listed are about LLMs.
At least the 'it's stealing art' people actually have an argument.
Thanks for making my next point for me.
Sure that was totally your next point after being ignorant with your previous one.
Now should we have the debate about how IP is a tool to exploit human culture and gatekeep usage of it? That art shouldn't be a profit driven incentive? Collages are art, yet they use other peoples work to produce something new. Because that argument boils down to the problems of capitalism, not LLMs.
And until we stop living under capitalism it is indeed a problem.
So hate capitalism if that's the root problem.
LLM's are simply a tool and as we can see from OPs image they can be used for good political commentary. People used to hate on digital art for stealing the work of hand drawn artists as well, nowadays we realise that's a silly idea.
A gun is a dumb tool too, and harmful to individuals and society unless regulated.
If individuals don't have guns, none can stand up to the fascists when they come knocking. Under no pretext and all that jazz.
Yeah whatever
The pic above could have been made it photoshop. LLMs not necessary.
That would have taken an hour or two at the least to Photoshop. If you value artists you should value their time.
Okay. That’s the dumbest fucking shit you’ve said this whole time. An HOUR? 60 minutes? I could do it in like, ten with Microslop Paint. Wtf.
I've been doing digital art for 30 years now, but sure go on do it in paint. I'll see you back here in 10 minutes.
@athatet@lemmy.zip 10 minutes are up, time to submit your work.
Fuck off. You’re not my mom.
Stop making bullshit claims like you could do it in 10 minutes in paint.
To get anywhere near this quality of work it would take an hour or two. Simply finding good images of a person holding a phone and the car in the same angle perspective of the original tank-man photo would take more than 10 minutes alone.
You are completely dishonest in your interactions, ignorant in every way of the subject matter, and a liar.
I mean I guess bud. I really don’t give a shit. It doesn’t have to look quality to get the point across.
This is a 10 minute paint job.
I assure you that would not get the eyes on it that OPs AI image did. Quality does matter.
Lmao. Are you still on this? Go to bed.
But mum it's only 5pm.
Kind of a shit analogy, since forest fires actually help forests 🤷♂️
Not when they also burn down homes because they are out of control due to climate change 🤷🏻🤷♀️🤷🏻♂️
No, I'm pretty sure burning down homes is also helpful to the forest. Trees don't live in houses.
You agree with me 99% of the time and not 100% of the time?! DIE!!!
More like, "it's obviously good sometimes".
The extremist hardline stance will continue to soften over time to the point people will stop caring at all about it.
Upvote the idea, not the art
Art is the idea, you mean the medium.
I mean… I think it’s worrying that the norm is “who cares if it’s AI? It’ll fool plenty of people, spread it!” If that’s what you mean.
Social media is going to kill us all well before AI does.
Do you really think the intent of ops image is to “fool” people and not to be a parody political commentary?