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Trump: ‘We are going to do something on Greenland whether they like it or not’

23h 45m ago by lemmy.world/u/MicroWave in politics from www.cnbc.com

Donald Trump said Friday his administration will take action on Greenland “whether they like it or not,” further escalating his rhetoric as he pushes to acquire the Danish territory for the U.S.

The comments came during a meeting with oil executives to discuss the prospect of doing business in Venezuela. Less than a week earlier, the U.S. military invaded the oil-rich South American nation and captured its leader, Nicolás Maduro.

Denmark and its European allies in NATO – the military alliance co-founded by the U.S. – have pushed back, reiterating that Greenland is not for sale. But the Trump administration nevertheless says it is currently weighing a range of options on Greenland, including utilizing the U.S. military or cutting a deal to purchase it from Denmark.

Donald Trump is a deranged lunatic and an existential threat to the US and its citizens, and to people around the world, and that renders him unfit for office. He needs to be removed as soon as possible, while there's still some possibility that the extensive harm that he has done and is doing might be reversed.

I hope he tries The Thing that finally gets domestic power to remove him. 25th amendment, impeach & remove, resign. Whatever. None of those seem particularly likely at this point.

I very much hope he doesn't ever get the opportunity to do The Thing that finally gets a foreign power to stop him. He's had no consequences so far. Barely any meaningful resistance. It's hard to imagine what someone with his brain damage thinks, but he doesn't have any evidence that he can't do whatever he wants, and it won't be surprising if he tries.

I find it essentially impossible to believe there is a The Thing for the first one. Where things are at now, I can't even imagine what that could possibly be.

There's always a Franz Ferdinand.

I prefer a Benito Mussolini.

The oligarchs. If Europe blocks facebook, amazon, netflix and whatever... Trump will be removed from office within a week.

The 25th amendment is invoked by the cabinet and the vice president. Those are the people supporting this shit, they aren't going to get rid of him. He's doing what they want and giving them cover.

I would say that the only thing that could convince them to remove him is if he became such a liability that they felt the need to get rid of him out of self-preservation. But honestly, I don't think they have the necessary level of awareness. If anything, I suspect most of them would be more likely to double down on being cartoonishly evil and try to do whatever it takes to cling to power.

There's also the possibility that Vance invokes the 25th two years and one month into Trump's term. He gets to be either the guy that saved America or the guy who made the tough choice for the good of the nation. Then he's POTUS for nearly two years and can still be elected to two terms. If this is his plan, he'll start sounding half-way reasonable in six months.

Without a change in congress I have no idea what he could possibly do to get republicans to do something. It's literally a cult. He could come to their houses and rape their kids and they'd be out there the next day explaining how this is good for America, actually.

Same outcome with a change in Congress

Not sure I agree with this. With the right people in there they could do something. Not that I think this is likely.

435 voting members of the House. You could get 200 new people and still won't have enough.

100 senators. Most of the country is sparsely populated. 52% of the population has 20% of the votes in the Senate. That's unfixable.

He will never be 25th-ed, he made Dan sure to only pick those with his cock firmly down their throat at all times

Classic Dan.

They don’t call him “Dan The Man” for nothing.

That will never happen and short of people showing up with pitchforks and torches or guns and bombs. This will continue. Republicans will continue to whinge and wince publicly. While squealing orgasmicly inward at everything he steals and everyone he hurts.

The only possibility would be for every Republican in this coming midterm to lose their elections. And even that wouldn't guarantee it. Democratic leadership will have to grow a spine as well.

It feels hopeless but the real way to stop the train a'rolling is a general strike.

I saw signs calling for a general strike Jan 20 at the last demonstration, but I haven't seen any real momentum. Tell me when it is and I'll have a neighborhood barbecue.

The only one I heard of was this one: https://generalstrikeus.com/ and I think Cory Doctorow was trying to get one planned: https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-11-11-rip-jane-mcalevey-organize-f8ba7e91c5c9. He set his date out pretty far in the future because he knows that it's difficult to organize one.

A single strike would do it if they hit him hard enough and in the right spot.

I like to fantasize that all of a sudden, sense will prevail and Trump will immediately be arrested and be very confused

He is a rapist after all.

Unfair. That's only according to his ex-wife, court records, the Epstein files, several credible victims, and his own recorded admission...

I’m a little more worried about the part where he causes WWIII.

They were commenting on his disregard for consent or even negotiation. He takes what he wants. He "grabs them by the pussy," as it were.

Grab 'em by the Nuuk.

The Epstein files still have not been released.

Americans, show some spine and end this man

They're onboard. 40% approval rating. Let that sink in.

40% too high

That's around 150 million idiots, that want a warmongering criminal pedophile to run the country. Insane.

Go look at past presidents. It’s not like they are typically liked.

Except Obama.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. This is America, not a fluke.

Not really a defense for those 40% but many of them don't know what is going on. There are strong efforts to keep them distracted, lied to and stupid.

Even if Trump is removed from power this problem isn't going to go away. To start solving the problem permenently we need to get rid of capitalism. Fascism is capitalism in crisis and if capitalism is maintained fascism is inevitable.

“If anyone knows anything about not respecting boundaries, it’s me!” - Drumpf

The rest of NATO need to put troops in Greenland, today, with clear orders to fire on any invading force, even if its the US.

If there's one clear and obvious pattern with Trump's use of military power, it's that he likes quick, easy, low cost military operations. One day of airstrikes, one special forces raid, declare victory, go home. Either he or the people around him understand that America has no stomach for a war right now. The American right have been beating the anti-war drums hard for the last decade. But surgical military operations win public because they're already over before anyone can react. Look, see, no Iraq style quagmire. Trump gets it done, no problems. Not like those other idiots.

All of which adds up to the conclusion that Trump will not want to spark a war with the entirety of NATO. But he's extremely confident that if he steals Greenland fast enough, NATO won't want a war to take it back.

This is why the defence of Greenland has to be pre-emptive. A clear commitment to a fight, before the US can put boots on the ground. Do that, and Trump will back down. The right wing politics of today are not the right wing politics of 2001. He doesn't want a war, he wants an easy victory. We cannot offer him one.

The rest of NATO need to put troops in Greenland, today, with clear orders to fire on any invading force, even if its the US.

IMO NATO’s focus should be on reinforcing the Canadian border with the US and make Americans realize that Trump is brining war to their doorstep if moving on Greenland. Mark Carney should be the American sounding face of the reasonable free world, pleading to the US to not let it happen. Hopefully a critical mass of Americans would side against the war and stop it before it happens.

Americans can't stop themselves from telling other countries what to even when they want other countries to solve their problems for them.

The US will be stopped but it's gone beyond Trump. It won't be anything flashy to entertain Americans that enjoy watching people die on their screens. It'll be a slow decline and collapse of the USA. American culture has become so toxic to the world that the USA needs to be permanently dismantled. It will take decades, but it needs to be done.

As a Canadian, obviously I would take an help offered, but I do strongly believe that Greenland is where we need to draw the line in the sand. Again, I don't think Trump has the stomach for an actual war. I think he knows how much that would sink his popularity with the people who most strongly support him. A war with Canada would be an especially difficult sell.

I'm not remotely dismissing the possibility that it could happen. Trust me, my wife is in the CAF, she'd be on the front fucking line if it did. There's shit I know that I can't even fucking talk about when it comes to those kinds of conversations. But I think the key here is that he's really looking for quick easy wins. That's Trump's whole mentality. It's all about what you can steal before anyone notices you got away with it. He's a conman and a thief by nature. Greenland is where NATO can show Trump the will to stand up to him, and deny him the easy, cheap wins that he wants. It won't end the threat, but at this point I'm really not sure if anything NATO does can end the threat of the US without a world war. I think the only thing, realistically, that can be done is to buy time for the people in America to get their fucking shit together and end this nightmare.

Greenland is an autonomous territory of Denmark, one of the founding members of NATO along with the US.

Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that an armed attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members, and triggers an obligation for each member to come to its assistance.

Attacking, invading, operating in, or otherwise taking military action against Greenland will at best destabilize and delegitimize NATO, and at worst prompt a full military response from NATO member states against the United States Military, the largest and most powerful armed force in history several times over, with a budget an order of magnitude larger than the rest of the world combined.

I cannot overstate how horrifically, hilariously bad this would be:

  • It would begin an escalating conflict that would give China the perfect distraction to invade Taiwan, and remove the support that Ukraine desperately requires to continue defending against Russia.

  • To avoid war, Denmark and NATO would be forced to concede and appease Trump as Chamberlain did with Hitler, further emboldening Trump, Putin, and Xi Jinping to continue their totalitarian regimes and campaigns which literally amount to no less than cartoonishly evil total world domination.

  • In full scale conflict, NATO states would be faced with a losing battle in which their only recourse would quickly become the use of nuclear weapons.

This absolutely cannot happen. Our only window to stop the Trump regime’s utterly Fascist-with-a-capital-F designs by conventional political means is rapidly closing. Once the American military is in Denmark without their consent, my advice is to start looking at options for your own survival of WWIII.

That would be the end of NATO. Which means it's the US on one side an the rest of the world on the other. Except Israel, of course.

But on the plus side, the members could start their own alliance named "Now Excluding America Treaty Organization". I way on the plus side because the acronym would spell out "NEATO"

And the US and Russia will start their own Friendship Union. Like the G7, except only two of them.

We can call it FU2

Which means it's the US on one side an the rest of the world on the other

It won't work out this way, no matter what happens.

  1. Pacific Rim nations will probably stick with US interests over European interests, because the US is the only thing between them and China (at the moment). Europe doesn't have the global presence or the interest to operate in the Pacific. This includes: Taiwan, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Singapore, the Philippines, etc. Even if the US is showing itself to be a less reliable partner, it is still not (yet) an active threat to their interests the way that China is.

  2. Ukraine under Zelensky won't just surrender to Russia and will probably tolerate a lot from the US in order to continue their defense efforts unless they are somehow offered EU membership/protection explicitly. I could see Ukraine breaking ties with the US if it meant joining the EU.

  3. The above might give Trump the excuse to say openly that Ukraine "didn't want peace" (via surrendering to Russia) and then declaring open support for Russia in the name of "peace". Then it's an out-and-out US-Russia partnership.

  4. China will continue to pretend neutrality, continue to manipulate its rivals into destabilizing, continue using its neighbor countries to export its environmental disasters, and then invade Taiwan. If that doesn't provoke direct conflict with the US, the rest of the Pacific Rim starts to look really vulnerable.

  5. South America is... complicated. Obviously a lot of nations like The Dominican Republic and Colombia would side against the US with Venezuela. Argentina wouldn't. Is Venezuela under direct US control/occupation at this point? Brazil is a founding member of BRICS, so they're probably aligning with China and/or Russia, but they'll probably stick to conflict avoidance as much as possible.

  6. India might make some public statements of condemnation of imperialistic behavior to score political points, but that would be it. The only way they get involved in any conflict is if China is on the other side (or maybe Pakistan, but that's more complicated).

  7. Iran is in so much trouble right now with Tehran being completely out of water, and the internal economic strife. They're still a power in the region, but not really in a position to influence things beyond their borders.

  8. Canada won't support US aggressive actions, but will also do almost anything to avoid direct conflict with the US. That's a very difficult position which will produce confusing, noncommittal and seemingly self-contradictory actions and statements.

  9. Africa...? No idea, really.

Tehran being completely out of water

Haven't been paying attention to the Iran protests. Knew they were running out soon but didn't know it happened.

Also, Greenland/Denmark is member of EU who have a similar clause to article 5.

Even if NATO could possibly immediately dissolve to avoid responding to Article 5, I'm guessing the EU is more robust.

I was taking you slightly seriously until you called China totalitarian which is so probably false as to draw into question every other point of analysis you have here.

Just fucking kill him. No one will really care

I bet Jodie Foster will care, do it for her! Get pardoned by the next admin for protecting democracy! Win win!

You keep saying this, as if millions of people aren't in his cult.

Yeah but once he stops yammering people will forget about him pretty quick.

I have no idea why that would be true. If he died right now he would be held up as the standard which all Republicans strive for and for everyone else, as a synonym for Hitler 2.0.

Melania would be stoked.

Something feels like covid felt just before covid became a pandemic.

I'm getting that itch to buy big things that might not be available much longer or will be in high demand.

For COVID it was a trampoline (best decision ever, impossible to find one weeks later).

For this..... not sure yet. But surely running out of time to figure it out.

Weapons

Fall out shelter and tinned goods?

Guns, drones... I guess.

RAM.

Doing Putin’s bidding.

By even attempting or formulating an attack on Greenland he places the rest of NATO against the US. If he can separate the two, then NATO no longer exists.

This is trump being a Putin toady.

And if NATO does nothing it might as well not exist anymore.

why do you still need those files, is that all americans can do, overlook the obvious ig

Are yall slow or what, why do you still need those files, can’t you put two and two together, you gonna do nothing untill you got every last single file?

No. It's that he thinks this will get the news cycle off the files, which will let him solidify power. It's also that he'll sacrifice as many people as he wants to ensure those files don't get out. He's right too. Old news is dead news. It's that our news, and our politicians by extension, are easily manipulated.

Ok then what will happen when all the files appear then what? its not like y'all will protest or do anything yall cant even unionize for normal working conditions. If you gonna protest after all the files appear, then you can protest NOW already.

Ok then what will happen when all the files appear then what?

Congress will then have to attach their names to diddling kids. Even if they did, their donors won't tolerate it. If they did, then the guillotines come out.

If you gonna protest after all the files appear, then you can protest NOW already.

We already are. People are angry but, if politicians as a whole throw their names behind fucking children, that'd be throwing gas on the fire. That is when the protesters start getting violent. The cops are using lethal force now, but the political class saying that its okay for them to start sticking their penises into 11 year olds is when the prorestors start shooting back. It'd also be alienating to cops, national guardsmwn, and the military too. Everyone has kids in their family, and that'd be asking them to sign off on their family being raped too.

He became president 🥲 so you think "When everything becomes public, the political class is morally exposed." Most of this was already public before his first term. If it didn’t lead to consequences then, it won’t magically do so now. I wouldn't count on it that the release of all the epstein files will change anything or lead to consequences. And I also hear that most americans dont even follow the news or dont care whats going on with politics or even support whats going on. You can protest but organizing mass strike works better tbh. put the american economy to a standstill if you really wanna change something.

Most of this was already public before his first term.

True, and a lot of people put on blinders of convenience. But that convenience falls away infront of an Epstein pic of DJT fucking a 10-year-old.

Put the american economy to a standstill.

It would be nice if the American people could afford to do that, and maybe we could have at some point before the 80s. But, we had Regan who sold the "idea" of trickle-down ecconomics. Now, people are too broke to quit/protest, and doing so would mean they could no longer get any medical care (not that they could much before, but any healthcare is better than no healthcare) and they'd lose access to food and housing. Simply, Americans haven't been desperate enough on this to die yet. But, it's getting there. Remember, the French didn't bust out the guillotine right away. It wasn't until food shortages got bad and the workers had literally no money that they stormed the Bastille.

Yeah, and I hope it's FUCKING DIE. I'm so sick and fucking tired of Trump.

What I expect is the US will land and declare it belongs to the US now. The only question I have is if Greenland's military is going to shoot back.

The Danes have already stated, "shoot first, ask questions later." I don't expect them to step down from that position. An invasion by a hostile state IS an act of war. And the invader is by definition a war criminal. The Danes are being serious, they aren't jesting. FAFO.

That's what they say, but will they do it? Dunno. Wait until Trump dies and the dems come back in to return it.

The Dems wi t return it they'll just keep it. As is tradition.

Dems bad!

I'm more interested in what the rest of the world will do. I have no doubt Greenland will defend itself, but no one really seemed interested in sending troops to help Ukraine when Russia invaded, what would be different in this scenario? I realize technically it's NATO, but it isn't like any of those agreements are bound by laws of nature and most of the people in charge these days seem more interested in whatever is profitable than what is right.

Well, America was founded on people coming to foreign land declaring they owned it

Do they have a flag?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8

They wouldn't need to, European central bank and UK will just sell US bonds. Effectively shutting down the US.

He's gonna grab 'em by the Parliament.

When you're a star, they let you do it!

FUQ THE WEAK! Im stronk do as I say unga bunga

Who is "we", you little bitch?

I am calling upon all service workers to call in sick tomorrow. If you serve anyone anything, this means fast food workers. This means all the people who cannot afford to take a day off. If we all just don't show up, the world stops....why don't we all get this?

Yeah, the whole army of me doesn't show up, and them I'm fired (or take a reason sick day for no reason when I have a very, very limited number of those and get fired next time I'm sick).

Nobody else is willing to join this because some internet rando promised them it would work, and a solid chunk of the population would be unwilling to join even if there was no consequences because they generally back the regime and its warmongering. In the theoretical best case it's the prisoners' dilemma on a societal scale which is basically impossible to win without a larger national union syndicate to coordinate.

Unionize now, then we can actually make a general strike happen.

Yeah I don't think everyone you're calling upon is going to get your message.

You're also calling upon people who do something they can't afford to do. This suggests you don't have an understanding of how things are for people that are struggling.

health care and rent skyrockets, ICE destroying our neighborhoods. But i guess taking Greenland or abducting Venezuela pres is more important. "What the actual fuck", i've been saying this literally every single day since his 2nd presidency. Every day is like another god damn South Park episode.

also friendly reminder we are still early into January 2026

No american citizen cares, or just 1/5 of all americans care I bet

At which point can denmark/Greenland evict their military presence?

January 2025 was the best -most recent- option.
Last week was next.
Yesterday was next.
Today is next.

If tRUMP isn't a russian stooge then that obese orange paedo is doing its best to look like it.

Trump about to trigger article 2 of NATO and my Senator is like "America is safer without Maduro in charge"

Time to sell the bonds that back the US currency. It will make the USD's value plummet

2024 numbers - https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/RS/PDF/RS22331/RS22331.51.pdf

Country - Amount Held ($ billions) - Percentage of All Foreign Holdings in Federal Debt Japan $1,061.5 12.40% Mainland China $759.0 8.87% United Kingdom $722.7 8.44% Luxembourg $423.9 4.95% Cayman Islands $418.9 4.89% Canada $378.8 4.43% Belgium $374.6 4.38% Ireland $339.4 3.97% France $332.3 3.88% Switzerland $298.7 3.49%

Total top 10 countries of foreign investors in federal debt $5,109.8 59.71% Total all foreign investment in federal debt $8,558.4 100%

UK is the largest European holder of US debt and a close ally in our wars of imperial expansion

Donny. Donny, using the military would be an act of war, Donny. It would make the US the bad guys, Donny. You don't want to tarnish that sterling legacy of yours, do you?

Oh, wait.

While we fight USA in greenland, if we not just give it to them, putin will attack our eastern borders I bet. Thanks so much trump for idk whats going on anymore tbh. Nazi corruption or something, but also semi good cause Maduro was also evil? idk anymore man

Not like american citizens follow the news so yeah not like americans are able to stop this evil from the inside out, they aren't able to mass strike or whatever, most americans got no idea whats going on, america will get what they want whenever they want cause they the most powerful. But the business relationships will be over hopefully after Greenland., good luck with your billionaire tech companies without customers from the EU.

Thanks trump for weaking your friends, for making putin more powerful... Thank you trump for bringing neo kolonialism back, Thank you trump for a global war, Thank you trump for hating and oppressing the weak, not protecting the weak.
THANK YOU TRUMP FOR WORLD WAR III

If he does, Greenlanders are free to do something on Trump, whether he likes it or not too. It's only fair.

Do you fucking idiots really think the Epstein files would change anything? On top of that the U.S. just invaded a foreign nation, kidnapped its head of state, and is trying install a puppet government all because of oil and ego, and are now openly talking about doing the same to another nation. They can be doing more than one bad thing without it being a distraction, you can also be focused on more than one thing, especially when one of those things is an international act of terrorism that is actively hurting an entire country outside of the states.

Stop making everything about just one thing and give issues the attention they deserve for what they are, squawking “epstein files!” at everything makes the epstein files a distraction from everything else, you fucking tools.

Impeach and remove this madman

Spoken like a true rapist.

My flatmates voted a new guy into the apartment. He ruined everything in it.

Now he's threatening other people in the building, and I expect them to do something about it.

He's pulled a gun on the flatmates, and started brandishing it throughout the complex, but the only ones unarmed in the building are said flatmates, to extend the metaphor.

No, no, no. They have the most weapons in the building...

They are just scared, that they could lose what they still have, if they resist.

what a little bitch. trump is so senile.

Epstein files

So breaking apart NATO was the trade for Venezuela and Greenland...

Epstein files