ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing
1d 2h ago by lemmy.world/u/MicroWave in news from www.advocate.com
“Fcking bitch,” Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good, says in the video.*
A newly released cellphone video, apparently filmed by the ICE officer who killed Renee Nicole Good, and obtained by Minneapolis-based Alpha News, a conservative-leaning nonprofit news site, appears to sharply contradict the U.S. government’s public account of the fatal Wednesday shooting, raising new questions about whether the agent who opened fire was ever in immediate danger.
The footage was recorded on a cellphone by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, not by a department body camera. It captures Ross’s own perspective as he approaches Good’s maroon Honda Pilot during what the Department of Homeland Security claims was a federal operation in south Minneapolis.
Wait, he recorded himself killing someone?
He needed something for show and tell before applesauce and naptime.
Yeah it was his kid's "career fair" day at school so he wanted something representative to show to the class
What? No still beating heart? That is seriously low effort parenting.
Yep, and he didn't even drop his phone doing it.
I never lose grip of my phone, especially not when I'm so feared for my life that I'd take out my gun to kill someone driving away from me.
Yeah he even pulled out his gun and used it one handed
And this guy apparently does fire arms training. God help anyone getting lessons from this ass hat at the range.
Kinda...
It’s weird that they’d release it.
Her last words were something like “I’m not mad” and his were “fucking bitch”.
I think these people are so far down the rabbit hole that they don't even realize that their narrative is bullshit. Nobody in the Administration looked at that video and said "shit, we have a problem" because they're all True Believers and think they are right about everything.
Exactly, I've seen people on their side saying this video makes the victim look bad....
These people are too far gone.
Some people need an enemy or they can't make sense of the world. I'm not talking about a run of the mill competitive streak, they simply can't understand society as anything other than a struggle for dominance. If they don't have some sort of conflict to focus on, they make one just to quiet the cognitive dissonance they're feeling.
I don't know if it's learned or innate, but it makes people easy fodder for conspiracy theories and the sort of high-functioning sociopaths we've been electing recently.
Or course they don't. The only consistency in their narrative is their incessant need to be right. They say she tried to run ICE over, you show that's not true. They pivot to she shouldn't have been running away from the scene of the crime. You tell them there was no crime, they pivot to ICE had a right to detain her. Tell them ICE actually has no right to detain citizens they'll say how they don't actually know the law, they can only give their opinion and then loop back around to "she tried to run them over" so she's in the wrong.
They're not interested in getting to the truth, they're only interested in being right. Since they only care about being right they also don't care about being internally consistent. They will accept whatever contradictory bullshit as long as it means they're right.
Bingo. Also called "moving the goalposts".
r/conservative full on believes this video DesTrOys tHe LIbS and exonerates the officer.
r/conservative is full of morons
And bots, and Russians.
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They're only allowing their flaired bots to post in that thread. But I have no doubt magat trash see what they want to see.
They're literally in a death cult.
Yes, they are 'true believers', if you wanna phrase it that way.
Thats... how fascism works, you make up what functionally constitutes a religion, based on mythic narratives revolving around blood and soil, which mentally place the adherent into the role of a religious extremist, fighting for their perverted idea of 'justice'.
Reminds me of videos from Iraq and Afghanistan and how it made yankistanis so proud of extra judicial killings. Similar to how ISIS did for innocent people.
So out of touch with empathy.
These morons think this proves they’re right. Vance retweeted the video as said this
"Watch this, as hard as it is," Vance wrote. "Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer wasn't hit by a car, wasn't being harassed, and murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self defense."
I've never wanted to punch someone square in the face quite as much as Vance while watching his press conference. The level of disingeniuty and vileness from these people is somehow still shocking, and I didnt think I could be surprised by how low they could go anymore
TIL "I'm not mad" is a death threat
Yup, they don't even see the same reality we do. As if his camera shaking was proof he was in danger.
It's not hard for them to see the actual explanation, but they have no interest in finding it. Maybe it was shaking because he moved slightly out of the way (which the other video clearly shows) he was firing his gun? No? Right-wing Twitter just wants to feel right and not think too hard about it? Okay.
I grew up in a family full of cops and as a kid / teenager I was taken around on ridealongs in the 80s / 90s with family members. I’d be shocked if that’s kosher now, but I’m glad it was something I got to experience back in the day.
I will never forget watching cops just get out of the way and let a person of interest or suspect drive off. They’d do that, and like clockwork, say “no one outruns Motorola.” (Motorola was the wireless giant at the time.) It wasn’t worth putting lives at risk when you could just knock on that person’s door at a later date.
This guy wasn’t doing anything by the book. He was escalating, approaching a moving vehicle, he had his firearm in hand, etc. People are literally trained NOT to do everything this guy did. It puts everyone at risk. The officer, the driver, bystanders, etc.
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
- George Orwell, 1984
Then don’t actually believe that. They just don’t care. They’re taunting everyone who isn’t outright evil.
I wish his last words were that.
They think this is a definitive proof that she tried to kill him. They're saying this is body cam footage and that him putting his phone down to grab his gun was him getting hit. They've already forgotten every other video out there.
What's absolutely bonkers is the DHS went out and immediately called her a domestic terrorist. Our tax dollars paid to kill her and post propaganda on x defaming her.
If you’re a Democrat your car immediately becomes a lethal weapon are you must be stopped by any means necessary - if the pedestrian is a Republican.
If you’re a Republican you may use your vehicle to kill any Democrat under any circumstances.
There’s no attempt to reconcile these two conflicting opinions…from a knuckle dragging Fox viewer to SCOTUS.
It worse, they truly believe it supports their version of the events.
It looks doctored to me.
For one thing they made physical contact which we know didn’t happen. For another, it’s 47 seconds long.
I did see physical contact in another video.
It looks like the corner of the car is up against him, but he put himself there and she was clearly turning away from him. Then he just pushes himself off the car as she is turning and shoots her.
Nope. It looks like it, but another angle shows it never got anywhere near him, and his first shot was after jumping back, anyway. And also, this video shows him approaching AS IT'S MOVING.
I'm not disagreeing with him putting himself on that position. I am not defending this murderer at all, but I don't think it is helpful to claim there was no contact when there clearly was.
I've seen three videos now and the other two both appear to show contact. Those are the view from above and in front, down the street. It's quite poor quality but seems to show the killer against the car as it moves away; and the view from behind, which is better quality but a worse angle. It also looks like he was touching the car/contacted by it as it moves off.
Her wife, Becca Good, stands nearby, recording as well.
Her wife WATCHED HER GET MURDERED by Jonathan Ross? What a blood curdling nightmare.
Could happen to anyone of us. If ICE agents don't start taking bullets to the face soon, then that probability increases exponentially over the next few months.
Ice shooting people is already becoming more common. They're escalating because there has been no consequences.
I don't think untrained violent people will respond less violently when the likelihood of violence against them increases. I would say y'all need to build barricades to safeguard neighborhoods, you need masses that can only be mowed down, and need to avoid being easily singled out. Using the car you are sitting in as a barricade is incredibly dangerous because there is a track record of using vehicles as weapons.
It just gets worse the more videos and angles you see.
I hope Jonathan Ross’s family watches as the state executes him for premeditated murder.
You have a lot of faith in this so called justice system
Why is an ICE agent filming with a cell phone?
For the fans.
Because they're all fascist shitstains.
So he could get another murder boner later.
He wanted a memento of his first premeditated murder.
Very unlikely to have been his first. Spent time deployed in Iraq, and had quite the composure, to keep the cellphone in hand as he murdered her. Especially considering he was injured last year in a similar scenario.
I mean he wasn't going to jerk off right there was he?
I would be completely unsurprised if one of them was caught doing that.
Desperate for some "owning the libs" footage
Dr Phil and his crew can't come to them all
They have these for facial recognition I think?
Based on a recent stint in court, all the officers I saw had both a body cam that recorded AND a cell phone in a front facing pocket that could also be used to record.
The phone's on his hand. You can see it in other videos
In the video the cop conspicuously stops and pauses to look at the political stickers on the back of the vehicle before the shooting.
I noticed that too. He clearly was documenting her for future harassment at the very least.
Shouldn’t he use his bodycam to do that?
Body cam would be something you could subpoena easier. Phone would be his personal property and he can upload that video anywhere he wants and give it to whomever he wants. Consider we have this video because he sent it to an conservative media outlet trying to get sympathy. We have this video because he's a fucking moron.
Yeah, I understand this. But one may think a video recorded using a personal device will present chain of custody troubles if it ends being used in a court of justice.
It was NEVER going to be used as legal evidence. He was collecting her info so he or other ICE could harass her later. That's why he focuses on all of the identifying info like the stickers and her license plate.
The dude murdered someone and you're over here wondering how he would legally use his harassment video in court. That was NEVER his intention. That's EXCATLY why it's on his phone and not body cam. For personal, illegal use.
The only court this video will see is as an exhibit for the prosecution. And as evidence of him committing murder, chain of custody is just fine.
Those are just national park stickers iirc but I’m sure these toe headed lumps didn’t know that.
Pretty sure he's just recording the license plate.
On his personal phone and not on a body cam or writing it in an official log? Why would a government agent need his own personal evidence against you if not for vigilante harassment?
Here's a link with all the videos synced: https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3mbzglg3ids24
Crazy in the bottom video labeled CNN, you can see him walk in front of the car AFTER it started moving.
Most people wouldn’t jump in front of a chef chopping with a knife then kill the chef for stabbing them. Idk why ICE thinks it’s a good idea to jump in front of a moving car.
So, that guy is just stupid. I assumed but thanks for verifying.
pre-trump, who knows if they've secretly changed the policies since then. But then again, the murderer was working for ICE when that policy was enacted.
Oh im sure they are encouraged to make situations.
Deliberate. A report by experts studied incidents from Jan 2010 to Oct 2012 and found US Border Patrol agents stepped in front of vehicles 67 times to justify shooting drivers. Results were 19 deaths.
Jonathan Ross worked for US Border Patrol from 2005 until 2015.
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html
....so does this one.
Crazy in the bottom video labeled CNN, you can see him walk in front of the car AFTER it started moving.
That's the point. This was a manufactured killing. By stepping front of the car, he can deploy the South Park Defense: "She was coming right at me!"
In her rationalization speech, The Puppy Killer mentioned how blocking ICE cars was an increasing strategy. What she didn't say was that it's been effective at slowing them down, and giving targets a longer head start to escape.
It's clearly pissing her off. Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller is demanding 3000 scalps per day, and they aren't even close. Shes probably getting her ass reamed by PeeWee every fucking day.
We're going to find out that orders came down to make an example out of one of the blockers, and this was the opportunity. This guy wasn't new and poorly trained, he was a veteran officer with a beef against fleeing vehicles (he'd been recently injured in a vehicle incident because he behaved poorly and impulsively in that incident, too). He was exactly the kind of trusted operative that you could give an order like that to, and know it will be followed.
Pakled Holman seemed surprised by this, so it probably wasn't him. The order almost certainly originated with The Puppy Killer, but she was probably told by PeeWee to do something decisive.
It’s clear the only reason she backed up was to AVOID him. If she wanted him dead he would’ve been toast.
He's actually lucky she wasn't angled towards him because he chose that moment to make her slam on the gas.
Bellingcat does great work.
Jeez, you could do a VR recreation
This guy doesn't belong in jail, he belongs on the gallows
I want him destroyed.
Your focus is to narrow. What about all his accomplices, the other ICE agents that were there and didn't immediately arrest him?
Oh, certainly. All of them. But especially him.
And trump. None of this could happen without his Nazi roundups.
Oh I can’t wait for those Big Mac’s to do him in. At least his farewell will be slow and miserable.
One by one.
Even if there was 4k 360° video of Renee being murdered by this scum the Trump administration would still side with the murderer.
An incident like this is great for MAGA. This is how you find who is truly loyal. The loyal ones will back your cockamamie story to the hilt, and parrot it loudly, often, and with conviction, no matter how indefensible it is.
This separates out those who still have some vestige of morals that can still be reached by an atrocity. Those people are untrustworthy, and must be purged. They want people who will cheer when they massacre peaceful protesters.
Exactly right. I work with a bunch of ride or die maga dick riders and it’s been interesting seeing them over the last year. When the Epstein cover up started last year they all got really quiet and stopped talking about Trump for a good part of the summer and ends of the year. Then he bombed Venezuela and then Renee getting murdered has got them all foaming at the mouth for violence and killing now.
"FUCK YEAH! THIS is what I signed up for!"
That’s pretty much what they said the day after the Venezuela attack. Another thing they like to say now is how we are all gonna be rich because of the cheap gas prices.
Here in Central Florida, the gas price pattern has been consistent for at least two years. It will drop down to about $2.90, maybe even a bit lower, and then on Monday or Tuesday, it will go up to $3.19 in nearly every single gas station in the area. Then it starts to slide down, and when it gets to around $2.90, it jumps back up to $3.19. Every time, for a few years now. Clearly, the prices are totally fixed.
But lately, since affordability has become the most serious drain on MAGA chances in the Midterms, gas prices have been lower. I just returned from a trip over the Holidays, and has is down to $2.70, or even lower.
Obviously, DeSantis is doing his part by forcing gas prices lower somehow, but rather than give him credit for helping out, that begs the question: If they could have lowered prices, why didn't they do it before it started to get them into trouble?
Immediately after the Vemzuelan attack, gas companies said that instability in the oil market was going to cause high prices (which happens anytime a dolphin sneezes near an offshore oil rig), and usually that means the very next fucking day. I expected prices to leap to at least $3.50, but they didn't.
Obviously, they are manipulating the gas prices, to fight the affordability issue. To counter that, I'd like to remind everyone that the average price of a new car is now over $50,000, with a monthly payment over $750. They are now offering 8 year loan terms.
BTW, cars have now become a viable, and acceptable living option. I just read about a college that is building a parking garage for student living in their cars. They could have built a residence hall for them, but better to teach college students that living in your car is a good career strategy, along with taking out tens of thousands in student loans for an education that won't lead to a single job.
What were we talking about?
This is the point. They don't care.
The goal of releasing the video wasn't to prove the NKVD agent was innocent, it was to prove that the victim was a white liberal lgbt urban woman and thus deserving of death.
Not surprising that the evidence contradicts the administration’s claims, because they constantly lie.
This is pointless. Even if she was aggressive and tried to kill this man, she'd be right to. This should not be able whether this Nazi felt in danger, they should feel threatened when they attack communities or random people. This video shows that peace is not an option with them. Consequences for chuds reduces their numbers significantly, they scatter when they realize they could actually get hurt.
Well, I'm not sure him feeling danger is relevant. Who cares? He put himself into the danger he felt.
Yes. That is what I said, except I don't care if he even felt it. I'm saying they should feel threatened when they obviously do not.
they should feel threatened when they attack communities or random people
i am sure this part has been taken care of, not really sure it is good news though
That this man felt there would be no consequences for murdering a person in front of a crowd is overwhelming proof that they do not feel threatened. They understood that they could commit violence, not the crowd.
That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you,
Famous last words...
The words of someone trying not to get shot be overly aggressive masked and armed thigs.
The term "hate" can be misleading. When used in a hate crime law, the word "hate" does not mean rage, anger, or general dislike. In this context “hate” means bias against people or groups with specific characteristics that are defined by the law.
At the federal level, hate crime laws include crimes committed on the basis of the victim’s perceived or actual race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.
Most state hate crime laws include crimes committed on the basis of race, color, and religion; many also include crimes committed on the basis of sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and disability.
https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/learn-about-hate-crimes
Say it with me: ICE officer Jonathan Ross and his accomplices are guilty of at least murder and hate crimes, and possibly more.
This would have been true sooner than this point in the regime but this event is the flashpoint, if I find out that any of my relatives or family members are ICE thugs I would dox them in a heartbeat.
Yes, walking in front of, and behind a vehicle with it's engine on SHOULD have made him feel danger. No one told him to walk in front of and behind a vehicle with the engine on, but if I'm wrong, and someone actually did tell him to do that, they're the responsible party. If he made that decision on his own, it's called contributory negligence.
And the fact that he circled the vehicle multiple times makes it clear he was trying to create a problem.
This is horrible, but why was she saying “Im not mad”? Im trying to even make sense of what happened besides an extrajudicial illegal execution
I believe it was her way of saying they weren't there protesting them.
Yeah. She was dropping her kid off at school.
He was going to check her plates.
Regardless of if that led to anything, it's an intimidation factor due to the belief law enforcement can then not only get all your info, but they can be on the lookout for you on plate scanners.
It does look like they were there intentionally though, so I do understand why Republicans think it's proves them right. To them anything besides she had just pulled out of her own driveway would be justification.
Everyone else tho, don't think peaceful protesting should deserve an immediate death sentence
Where's the full video
In the article as a link to Twitter, which I have blocked at DNS level, so I also hope someone posts the actual video here
Edit: https://nitter.net/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385?s=20#m
Ask and ye shall receive
https://files.catbox.moe/9dfc5y.mp4
Note that he checks the stickers on her car to confirm political affiliation before he murders her.
Were some of those stickers political?
Why would that matter?
To me it looks like he’s checking the license plate and the commenter is making things up
It is SO fucking crazy to me after reading the comments on this video and others about the incident on x, how people all watch exactly the same clips and are able to arrive at polar opposite conclusions.
Both sides seem to have their narratives vindicated at the same time. I think that such a crazy thing.
Me too, thanks for beating me to it. And God bless NextDNS
That is not good video to show the whole picture, it cuts out the crucial part, better shown in the video filmed from the back of the car.
This is the one right wants you to see, because it doesn't show that she wasn't the aggressor.
This shows all https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3mbzglg3ids24
She clearly reversed so that she could pull out around him.
the US or perhaps the world needs a reboot button
Fallout TV series is mostly about that. Reboot buttons just incentize wealthy gamblers.
Nuke everywhere from space.
Anarcho-Posadist praxis
The Red Coats should march back in and press reset.
I wonder why we still don't have the footage from Good's wife.
I think she feels guilty for egging them on and probably feels responsible to a degree. Also, probably listening to her lawyer about when / if to release it.
Yeah if I were in her shoes I'd save the footage for court. Don't want the court of public opinion influencing jurors ahead of time.
That is of course assuming he gets charged as he should.
Also, probably listening to her lawyer about when / if to release it.
I'd suggest it's entirely that.
That video is tainted. No custody of evidence. The shooter had 48 hours to edit the video.
Sync up the video /audio to thwle dozen others and see if things line up? How much time was removed from the phone?
If the video conveniently "proved" his claims of self defense, you'd have a point. But it clearly doesn't. It shows he murdered her and his claims of self defense are a blatant lie. You're literally arguing "well maybe it was self defense because the video could have been edited by the PERPETRATOR to not show it was self defense". Like wtf?! You're arguing that the dude purposely edited the video to make himself look worse.
It still could be used as a argument by the right in that way.
And it would be a dumb fucking argument considering the 3-4 other videos that all corroborate this one. Stop being retarded and proposing half-assed "what-ifs". Besides the fact that him editing it would be tampering with evidence and IS ITS OWN CRIME. Yeah, he's just gonna admit to illegally tampering with the video to make himself look worse to create reasonable doubt..... when other videos clearly show the incident as well. Ffs, I know these people are morons but you're taking the cake.
We need more self-defense (or community defense organizing, if you prefer) classes now more than ever (and fast). For Renee Nicole Good.
Drones with 4K cameras are like 50$.
The shitbag Ross reacted like a Gestapo or NKVD thug.
Edit: removing so prevent misinformation
Someone linked elsewhere, it's odd but there is an actual T-rex statue there stomping a car, an art piece in the neighborhood.
I saw the T-Rex in other videos. It's a decoration.
Which reflection?
Oh, in the back of the car. I think it could be the wife, she's walking.
Yeah, it's the wife, you can see her face in the back window
I was confused about the reflection when the camera was frozen and pointing at the license plate but the reflection showed the murderer walking, but I've been told I was wrong about most the other stuff so that's probably wrong too.
Edit: these guys think I'm way off so removing to avoid spreading misinformation. I thought the video might have been faked with AI, but my proof was not conclusive
You should refrain from posting opinions that are THIS unqualified.
To be clear, I am giving you a LOT of credit by assuming that you are just stupid and not an active fascist apologist trying to sow doubt about an obviously genuine video.
Edit: see above parent comment
You are a shill that picked a frame in which the stickers are hard to see and acted like they are not in the new video when they plainly are. You are fabricating evidence to push an agenda.
Edit: see above parent comment
Are you posting this to prove that your earlier comment was incorrect because we can all see that its the same car, or do you see something else here?
Edit: see above parent comment
Except they aren't, you picked a frame in which they are hard to see, which is how I now know that you are a shill. Everyone who has seen the video knows that the stickers you talk about are perfectly visible in the new video:
Sorry, replied to the original post instead of replying here https://lemmy.world/comment/21466457
Are you finished posted misinformation or do you need another person to point it out for you?
No, I edited my comments so it's all gone, I absolutely do not want to spread misinformation and I'm sorry for wasting your time
The rear window is curved. You can't see the stickers because of the angle.
Lol this is literally flat-earth logic. The glass is curved
I didn't think it was that curved but I was about everything else so I'm probably wrong about that one too
It’s time to stop posting.
It might be, these last 2 days have me really on edge
Me too, friend. Absolutely sickened. May you find peace this evening.
Th T-Rex appears in many other videos. I think the walking person is the wife, the angles seem to match, and if you look the the back window just above the moving legs you can see her face. I don't see anything wrong with the windows on the houses.
Lol are you saying you wouldn't have called her any names? Also, how do we know that was him talking? There were other officers around. IMO both parties made big mistakes. It all seems a bit contrived, but isn't that the point?
"Big" mistakes. Hmm.. One is saying "put on your big boy britches and get some lunch" and the other was "shooting an unarmed 37 year old mother three times in the face."
Case closed.
Yeah if I shot someone in the face I'd probably feel bad and not call them a bitch, even if it was a nazi bootlicker defending this murderer.
Interesting. Do you think he knew immediately he had killed her? He seemed to call her a bitch(if it was him speaking) as she was driving off, before she hit the parked cars. Also, did the wife outside the car yell "drive, baby, drive" because she was afraid? The guy who shot her was walking around the car, but he didn't draw his gun until he got in front and she started to hit the gas. They all had clear police markings on their uniforms, but what was the correct response from her in that situation(genuine question)?
Interesting, the video shows her backing up and then cutting the wheel HARD RIGHT, AWAY from the agent who EASILY SIDESTEPPED, and that is when he shot her point blank in the face with at least 2 rounds, and watched her slump over the wheel as the car accelerated straight into a post, all while spitting out "fuckin' bitch" like he just fucking SHOWED HER.
It's disgusting to see how many sociopaths like you exist in this world.
I agree there are a lot of sociopaths out there, but do you know what that word means? I'm asking some questions to get more people's viewpoints on this because clearly a bunch of people don't see it the way I do, which is confusing to me. Does that reaaaally make me a sociopath?
I would say yes, yes it does make you a sociopath by asking such questions in this thread that shows a woman being murdered from the perspective of the murderer.
You clearly lack the empathy and wherewithal to understand the nuance happening here, that anyone with empathy can see.
I suppose, yet again, if I(and textbooks) don't agree with your definitions of empathy and sociopath, I'm in the wrong by default, but then, I guess you're arguing "empathy" over logic, so it really shouldn't be surprising. Thank you for helping me to understand your point of view, even if you don't want to have a discussion.
Oh, I'm quite logical but read the room. This is not the time or place to pose those questions that you're asking and you won't get a logical answer for the most part.
I'm just noticing you attempting to make your point everywhere near the top of the thread and you're getting confused as to why most people aren't engaging with your rhetoric. I'm not mad at you, dude.
You really can't miss a 9mm going off in your hand. He knew he fired
True. He definitely fired and he was at close range, but I've shot a 9mm at a target from close range too. Normally it doesn't explode, so I have to take just a second to find the hole. His shot went through a window, cracking it and further obscuring the driver. Is it possible he didn't know he had absolutely killed her or is that just crazy talk?
Is it possible he didn't know he had absolutely killed her
Irrelevant. He shot at her head multiple times from close range. Everything else you're bringing up is just typical bootlicker distraction.
Not really. That first shot was almost justifiable because he was hit by the car immediately after the wife screamed "drive, baby, drive!", but the next 2 shots were definitely indefensible. Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker? If you knew me, you definitely wouldn't say that. Seems like you're the bad faith actor here, just sayin.
Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker?
No, because you're defending a dude shooting someone for no reason.
No, because you're defending the violence of a group who are going around masked and unmarked killing and abducting people without cause.
Bootlicker.
This is kinda ironic, because people are also calling me obtuse for asking some questions, which is quite the opposite of the definition. I'm not on either "side" and I definitely don't agree with Trump or his administration, but that doesn't seem to matter. Anyone who actually knows me IRL knows all that, but if I don't agree with you 100% or have some questions, I'm a nazi bootlicker defending violence and fascists(which is pretty extreme when we've only exchanged a few words). If I met you on the street, I'd offer to buy you a beer and talk for a bit, but that isn't even an option on the table in your mind.
I once worked at the Logansport state mental hospital in Indiana. There was a guy who had a rottweiler stuffed animal and would get very upset if he didn't have it. I tried a few times to ask him about other dogs. He would listen and then just repeat what he knew about rottweilers again, verbatim, no matter what questions I would ask or pictures of other types of dogs, etc. I wasn't even trying to change his mind, just understand his processing a little better, but he was not capable of having that depth of communication with another human being. This reminds me of that.
He fired ONE round through her windshield. He fired TWO rounds through her open driver's side windows right into her head.
He then watched her slump over the steering wheel and the car accelerate away where it crashed into a post, as he called after it 'fuckin' bitch'
The videos are out there, it's almost like you are being purposefully obtuse I wonder why HMMM
Hey sry man, I'm just not seeing what you're describing in those videos. It isn't quite that clear. You might just be right, but I'm just asking some questions. Doesn't make me a nazi or something, no matter what you seem to think.
Yea in a crowded situation like that I'd think so, but in a crowd like that, you felt the kick where did it go? You sort of need to assume someone is shot
Fair enough.
Yep, I really don't like it, but it's not as clear cut as people think it is. Let the courts go through all the evidence and have them assess it.
I agree and that's probably exactly what's going to happen. I'm honestly, genuinely just confused how half of the nation sees one thing and the other half sees the exact opposite in the same exact clips. Both halves would be willing to die on that hill(and a civil war would do exactly that). Is it mass manipulation or is half the nation just lying? The whole scenario is just unreal and no one seems to know(or care) exactly why.
Same shit happens every time anything like this happens. During the occupy wall street stuff, a video came out of a cop bumping into a protester with his motorcycle. Obviously an aggressive and unwarranted move, but it was barely a nudge, and the protester collapsed in a heap screaming like a slasher movie bimbo. It was so obviously a dive. But still, anyone on the left had to scream police brutality and speculate on the severity of the protester's injuries, while anyone who pointed out that it wasn't that bad was labeled as a bootlicker, and "defending the cops". Same shit, just the roles are reversed from time to time.
I absolutely agree.
The FBI will find no wrongdoing, no there won’t even be a court to go through it.
😂😂 if you don't understand, it's a bot or a Trumper. I'm starting to see how Lemmy works. 👍
One month old account and this is the only topic you're responding to. High probability that you are an extreme loser.
Ya know, this might get buried, but I'll say it anyways. I'm almost 40 and I've seen a few things, but I'm not so much upset as just confused. How can everyone in this country watch the same video and half of them say it's definitely one way while the other half say it's definitely the other way? That's happened more than once in the past few years, which is why I say it seems contrived. I'm not a republican or a democrat. I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser? Can we have an actual conversation? I'll refrain from sarcasm and name calling if you will.
Because half of America has been brainwashed by Fox News to believe that liberals should be murdered.
A poorly trained US government agent just executed a mother of 3, whose last words were "that's fine dude, I'm not mad at you", while he spat FUCKIN' BITCH after her corpse. There used to be a time the Republicans would be screaming that this is an abuse of government power, now they all have erections and are frothing at the mouth in their excitement of the execution of a liberal.
Ok, but isn't that pretty fucking extreme?! I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but if you're right, at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda. I'm no stranger to conspiracy theories, but are you saying we're coming to the culmination of all that?
at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda
It's not hidden at all, this is the culmination of almost 70 years of work by the right wing.
Interesting. So what comes next? Civil war or hostile conservative takeover? I'm certainly not arguing we aren't headed for fascism.
I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser?
Yeah, probably. Centrism is a loser ideology.
Agreed, but what's the alternative? I can't get on board with Libertarians either.
Except when you realize that both parties - aside from a few specific Democrats - are totally right of centre.
Like, the Democrats are moderate but solid right-wing neoliberalists, and the Republicans are off-the-deep-end alt-right fascists. So there isn’t a “centrist” position because there is no-one left of centre to balance things out; there is no in-between position that is actually at the centre of the political spectrum.
Even AOC and Bernie would be considered centrists anywhere else in the world. So any use of the word “Centrism” within the bounds of American politics really means “strong right-wing”.
And when almost everyone is right of centre, they really can be grouped together as being equally evil and hostile to the common man.
Now, if you were to look at any first-world country with an actually-functional democracy, you would be correct, because these countries actually have socialist parties that advocate for the masses, and seek to advance the needs of the common citizen. But I digress…