Europe should prepare for Greenland’s annexation and end of NATO: Experts
1d 6h ago by sh.itjust.works/u/HellsBelle in world from www.aljazeera.com
US President Donald Trump’s abduction of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on January 3 has emboldened him to proceed with the annexation of Greenland, a Danish-owned, self-governed territory, spelling the effective end of NATO and furthering Russia’s war aims in Ukraine, experts tell Al Jazeera.
“The move on Venezuela illustrates the Trump administration’s determination to dominate the Western Hemisphere – of which Greenland geographically is a part,” said Anna Wieslander, Northern Europe director for the Atlantic Council, a think tank.
“If the United States decides to attack another NATO country, then everything would stop – that includes NATO and therefore post-World War II security,” Frederiksen said.
“The pandering to Trump has been an element of our strategy over the last year, leaving observers hoping, but not entirely trusting, that another element of the strategy is preparing urgently for the final rupture with the United States,” Giles said.
Giles told Al Jazeera that Europe’s best option was to place a military deterrent on Greenland now, believing that putting allied troops in the Baltic States and Poland after 2017 deterred a Russian attack there.
What experrs? American experts?
They're kind of forgetting the big elephant in the room that is the fact a lot of US foreign debt is owned by Japan and China, with the majority of the rest of it being held by countries that will be very very pissed off with this move.
If trump is stupid enough to pull the trigger, and those countries decide that a potential physical war is becoming inevitable, they'll for sure dump all of that debt, all at once; killing the US economy and it's ability to make war. War needs fuel. Despite Venzuela, Trump won't have enough of it once his economy tanks.
Here's a recent article on the chances the USD continues as the world's reserve currency.
Ps it's not looking great.
https://www.ftadviser.com/content/5cbf339b-7c4d-464b-8c2a-0c7409e515a0
this fills my heart with joy
Europe should prepare to tell Trump to go fuck himself.
Yeah I think the ordering on that is China, Japan, UK, Canada in terms of the countries that hold US bonds.
A diplomatic delegation came to Canada recently and then Mark Carney went to China. Maybe just coincidence, or maybe not.
Tanking the bonds is essentially the economic equivalent of a nuke. You don't want to use it because there will be fallout which isn't good for anyone. But the US actually using military force on Greenland would be a circumstance where you might push the button on that. China has some business interests in Greenland, and generally the US just invading places based solely on the whims of a deranged old man is worse for everyone than the economic fallout from tanking the bonds.
If there's a war, and the US is cut off due to international sanctions, they'll have to ship the oil all the way north, by ship, rail, or road, all of which would be VERY susceptible to attacks and sabotage.
And if by ship, they're likely going to be straining the Navy between ports. Be a shame if something breaks too as we have less dock space available for repair than we did when we laid those keels.
He's also talking about operations in several other countries, and if he's talking about a few, he's thinking about a bunch more. He doesn't seem to understand that it's not a good idea to spread your forces and resources over multiple battlefronts.
He seems to think that the military is infinite, that he can just throw money at it and it can do anything. He's talking about a $1.5 TRILLION military budget (who is paying for that?), and he's going to need a LOT more personnel. That means at some point, he is going to demand a draft, especially if unemployment gets too high. It is already at its highest point since 2020.
America First used to mean we stay out of everywhere else, and concentrate on America, but Trump's version means America gets first dibs on everything, and if you don't want to play that game, we'll just take what we want.
What if I told you that was literally part of the plan? The groundwork for looking the USD was already in project 2025 and the dark enlightenment bullshit the tech feudalists masturbate to requires the balkanization of the US, and pulling a smash and grab on the USD will get us there within ten years. And if Trump makes it to next January they can kill him and we get ten years of "legitimate" Vance and by then it's well and truly over.
Money would be a problem but not the worst problem, all of manufacturing and materials come from China and the remaining single digit percent is in Europe, if the US pisses both they wont be able to manufacture war even if they haf all of the money
they'll for sure dump all of that debt
That is a gain for the US, not a loss. No interest payments on the loans they've made, and no need to pay off the principal. Great!
You are forgetting one thing: no more possibility of selling US debt. And currently the US debt is above 100% GDP.
Yes. No new debt sold abroad. But also no need to raise debt to pay off existing debt.
Also rasing more debt is a future problem. Does this administration care about the long term? No.
The debt doesn't "go away", the countries sell it on the market, causing the price of us bonds to drop. That causes the yield (what it costs the us to service the debt) to go up. Borrowing becomes more expensive. Repaying debt or borrowing more to pay interest becomes even more expensive for the us.
Repaying debt or borrowing more to pay interest becomes even more expensive for the us.
Yes. This I agree. But the current administration has shown it is willing to ignore future consequences.
Higher yields are irrelevant if the project 2025 goal is to "Abolish the Federal Reserve" page 768
Those are not some remote future consequences, the downfall would be quite immediate
Less immediate than war with the EU or China.
I don't think you understand how inflation works...
Debt cancelling is a deflationary action. It reduces the money supply.
Dumping their bonds into the market isn't cancelling their debt. Its making all that debt available for OTHERS to buy. Supply goes up, value goes down.
In other words, if all of the US debt was out up for sale at the same time, is value of the US dollar would crater.
Supply is the same unless debt is cancelled. A weaker dollar makes it easier to pay interest.
"If you owe foreign banks $100, that's your problem. If you owe foreign banks $100 trillion that's the foreign bank's problem.”
That's not how markets work.
But you're clearly a troll just being intentionally obtuse for shits and giggles. It's on me for not having realised it earlier.
Have a good day.
If you think correcting someone's macro economic misunderstandings is trolling then you will be meeting many more trolls.
I'll trust the economists on this one. Honestly should have just done this from the beginning rather than trying to explain things.
When foreign countries start selling off U.S. debt, the immediate impact is on bond prices. A surge in selling increases the supply of bonds on the market. Just like any other asset, when supply rises dramatically without a corresponding rise in demand, prices fall. And when bond prices fall, yields—another way of saying interest rates—go up.
source - https://www.investingdaily.com/137830/what-it-means-when-the-world-dumps-u-s-debt/
The number of bonds remains fixed (or reduces). Supply only increases if the US issues more bonds.
The quote is obvious bullshit. You can only have a surge in selling if there is an exactly equal surge in buying. One seller = one buyer.
Use your brain and don't just quote from random websites.
Care to provide a contradictory source? Or are you just going to say that anything that doesn't agree with you is "bullshit" without backing it up with actual economic sources?
Also, just to add another source that MAGA would find "legitimate", this is from Fox Business.
China holds $761 billion in U.S. debt, making it the second-largest foreign holder after Japan. A mass sell-off could drive down the value of U.S. bonds and cause yields to spike, sharply increasing borrowing costs for the federal government. It could also weaken the U.S. dollar and send shock waves through global financial markets.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/chinas-trade-war-weapons-rare-earth-ban-us-debt-dump-could-cripple-american-economy-defense
But hey...I'm going to wait for your sources beyond "trust me, bro".
How do you think selling works. If you sell something, someone buys it from you.
A mass selloff also means that there was a mass buying.
Is THAT what you're having a hard-time grasping?!!
You do know that people put things for sale BEFORE the buying happens, right? It's called THE MARKET.
If you're selling a house, you put it ON THE MARKET and wait for someone to make you an offer.
Now let's say you have a house on the market and you want 400,000 for it. But in your city, a lot of people are moving out and there are far more houses on the market than there are buyers. So you have to lower your asking price in order to entice a buyer to take yours instead of someone elses. You DEVALUE your house to make the sale; take less money than you originally wanted. Doing so devalues the other houses for sale since they have to do the same, and the entire market for "Houses in city X" drops.
If, alternatively, you're the only house that's for sale in your city and there are 10 families looking to buy it, your house's value RISES. Rarity equals Value.
The same rule applies to stocks and BONDS. The US takes loans from other countries by selling them bonds. Those bond's value is based on a few different criteria (stability of the country's currency, etc...) But the important one here for your understanding is that the value is partially based on it's rarity. If all of the US Treasury bonds get dumped into the market simultaeneously, they're not rare anymore, and thus the value drops. If the value of the US Bond drops, it ripples through the economy.
It's supply and demand. The more there is of a certain thing ON THE MARKET, the less valuable it becomes. That's the rule for everything, from stocks and bonds and real estate, to beanie babies and pokemon cards.
the value is partially based on it's rarity
Nope. A bond is not a house or a pokemon. All bonds are the same. Only price matters. Not rarity.
A selloff is also a buyoff. Both seller and buyer think they have the better deal.
Not cancelling, selling.
A dollar bill is debt that the govt owes to you. A bond is similar, just a bit different.
The US will still owe, just to different entities, but its figurative credit score will plummet at the same time it's in a debt spiral.
But let's make it simpler. Most of the world's USD is not in the US, but in cash reserves abroad. They hold it like gold.
What happens if the big players sell? It's already happening a bit, look at EURUSD and gold prices.
Yes. This is Trumps goal. Make foreign goods super expensive for consumers and manufacturers. Exactly what a Tariff does.
They are isolationists. They don't want debt held overseas.
This would make all goods more expensive, as it would directly devalue the USD. It wouldn't make people buy local, it would just make them buy less.
It's not what a tariff does, because that only applies to foreign imports.
Under both, local products become cheaper than foreign.
End of NATO. Putin's wet dream.
I mean Donald Trump is working for Vladimir Putin come on
Power couple of the century
...and an EU-China alliance, Trump's nightmare alliance, with China mediating and resolving disputes in northern Eurasia, including the Russia-Ukraine war, likely with mere words.
He should know that if he blows up NATO, it's coming.
US analysts should tell him that this potential alliance would have several times the industrial capacity and scientific potential of the US, and if that doesn't count, it would also have ~ 1000 nuclear warheads.
(The alliance would be stable since potential allies would be far from each other, safely separated by a large nuclear armed gas station which also claims alliance with China, but China supplies drone parts to both sides.)
China is not some all powerful country, nor is it altruistic.
The end of Russia's war in Ukraine is the end of Putin. Do you think Putin will basically kill himself because of a word from China?
And you're thinking too small. There is a lot of diplomacy going on between every country in the world. Mark Carney is in China at this very moment. There are other delegations in India. Japan, Korea, and China are working together a little more now, and they hate one another. Everyone is making temporary alliances. It's shaping up to be US and Russia vs. the world.
Trump is trading NATO, the most powerful alliance in history, for Russia, a collapsing country.
China doesn't want world domination. It just want to look out for China. However, what it considers China and what everyone else does are very different.
He's not trading anything. You know that joke:
- People: We need healthcare!
- GOP: Fuck off!
- DNC: Fuck off! #BLM #woke #believewomen #imwithher
They could've taken over Venezuela and said it's about democracy. The media was poised to make that the story. Europe slid in with "well, he is a dictator...". They even had a Nobel peace prize recipient ready to jump in and take over. Hell, half the people on here were willing to go along with it. But for MAGA, doing evil isn't enough anymore, you have to rub it in, you have to gloat about it, you have to be mean. Giving Israel weapons isn't enough, you have to publicly tell them to kill everyone. It's not enough to twist other nations' arms in trade deals, you have to literally extort them. It's not enough to round up and deport brown people, you need to have camps and cages and then film it and put it on TV, and laugh at them. It's not enough to ignore protesters, or have them suicided, you have to murder them, and do so openly and proudly.
Dumping NATO, to Stephen Miller, is not a sacrifice but an unshackling. Now they don't even need to pretend anything they do is for some greater good, even if they weren't too crass and stupid to pull it off. They believe they're in the endgame, and they're just taking what they want.
Maybe America has to be understood as the logical conclusion of Western European geopolitical and moral ideology, and maybe it has to hurt Europeans (I'm French living in the UK, DW, it'll hurt me too but such is life) for us to finally consider some sort of ideological revolution that produces something that's diametrically opposed to what's currently embraced. I mean, it's not like we wouldn't be doing whatever America has been doing for at least 70 years if we had their power level, lol, history shows that clearly, so for this all to end because it must ("THIS SICILIAN THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 2000 YEARS!") our minds have to undergo a drastic collective change.
TBH the change can be pretty small, albeit revolutionary.
Actually embrace the humanitarian values of enlightenment. Gain some class consciousness. Remove the dictatorship of the capital by seizing the means of production. Consider other peoples of the world as equals and allies rather than dumb weaklings to be taught a lesson and/or exploited.
It all fits in a very long and established european tradition. Remember that Marx, Engels, Liebknecht, Luxemburg, Kropotkin, and Lenin were all europeans.
The humanitarian ideals of the enlightenment were used to justify colonialism, they simply said "look, those people don't have our humanitarian ideals, we need to take control of their society/resources."
Yeah, agreed. Hence
Consider other peoples of the world as equals and allies rather than dumb weaklings to be taught a lesson and/or exploited.
Europe is kind of just a retired United States, the pension scheme is the us defense budget
It’s peak neolib capitalism.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”
Let's hope the same thing will happen if/when the US tries to take Greenland; but honestly, I'm not optimistic. At least here in Germany, politicians and businesses are so used to licking the US' boot that I have a hard time imagining a seismic shift. Not to mention that thanks to our dependence on US software, we're incredibly vulnerable.
Still. One can hope.
NATO won't end, only the US being part of NATO will end.
In fact if NATO didn't already exist, something just like it would be formed if the US starts invading countries just because a crazy old man thinks the world map is a colouring book.
The crazy old man is a reflection of all Americans. That's how most Americans see the world. 1 American life is worth 10,000 third world country lives.
Please stop vilifying the entirety of America. There are millions of us that are doing everything we can to organize against this while also feeding our families.
I just want to say it won't end Nato. Nato countries will stick together, but the USA will be out, alone, isolated, another rouge state just like Russia. That is until Americans grow a spine and either throw Trump out by election, by force, or by crashing the economy.
Considering this year started 10 days ago, I don't think we have enough time til the election in 3 years.
And then they may elect Mr Beast or some other rich dude.
And then they may elect Mr Beast
I can't wait for welfare to be replaced by "Survive 30 days in Guantanamo, win $500,000", and "100 people in Alligator Alcatraz. Last one standing wins $1,000,000".
And gets to keep the alligator.
I’m sure the free world will stick together till the bitter end
The population of the US is about 342 million. Russia has a population of about 146 million. China has a population of about 1.4 billion. The European Union has a population of about 448 million people. The population of the world is about 8 billion. The orange mobster THINKS it will rule the world?
The thing is that population numbers isn't everything, it's also about what that population is doing. A tree has a thousand times the mass of a patch of grass but produces the same photosynthesis or sth.
That's because the tree is massive due to its trunk, which is dead weight and doesn't do much.
Recently saw the Handmaids tale, it kinda reflects how things can go to shit and reminds me of the isolated state.
End of NATO means:
- Russia will go all in in Ukraine, Moldavia and baltic states
- Turkey and Greece will go to war.
- Israel will bomb everybody just in case
- China will get Taiwan
- USA will bomb Mexico
- Israel will nuke someone
- ...
And this is why billionaires have been building bunkers.
\7. France nukes everyone. (That's their policy, anyone uses nukes, they launch everything they have against all nuclear powers, which isn't a lot, but that's a lot of major cities gone.)
Isn't that Israel's nuclear doctrine?
Yea, it is. Not true of France.
Officially Israel "doesn't have nukes," unofficially they have very few that could be used in short order before they are nuked. They don't have the capability to nuke more than a few countries in the Middle East
That's not an answer to my question. What you described sounds most like Israel's Samson Option and not anything like I've ever heard of France's nuclear doctrine.
Israel doesn't have the capability to deliver. That's about as useful as saying North Korea will nuke everyone. They literally can't.
France adopted the policies I listed, with some small nuance in the 1970s and haven't changed their stance.
Source ?
I can't find the articles that I read about this, but if you look up their nuclear policies, they won't use in first strike scenarios, but the will use for defensive strikes, which amounts to exactly what I said. In defensive scenarios, someone else already used them, so may as well unload your entire stockpile. Everyone else is going to unload theirs.
Just for reference the US, Russia, and China have similar contingencies. Once Israel or anyone launches a nuke or uses a bomb in very short order all the stockpiles get emptied. France just was pretty blatant about it in the '70s.
How does defensive nuclear strikes amounts exactly to:
anyone uses nukes, they launch everything they have against all nuclear powers
?
They only have a few hundred, and the entire point of them is if anyone uses one you launch everything, because there isn't going to be another chance. Especially since Russia, the US, and China have thousands and will probably be launching the same time France does. Defensive strikes in nuclear warfare are military speak oxymorons. That's the entire point of MAD. France just made sure that they had a stockpile to point at the bigger powers because of previous wars in Europe getting them involved whether they wanted to or not.
You launch everything on the one attacking you, not just everyone.
That's a good way to have a shooting nuclear war. You launch at everyone as policy, so no one is ever stupid enough to use them. Once one is used again, it will trigger all of them, all at once. If you only attack the aggressors, their allies will nuke you in response, and so on. It just causes the same thing.
"A strange game, the only winning move is not to play."
Like a doomsday machine? Might work (and also might find you with very few allies). But it wouldn't work without loudly declaring your intentions beforehand, and apart from your post I have nowhere found any indication this is France's nuclear doctrine.
The fucking Muscovites will attack Poland to take the Sulwalki Gap and Finland to control their former vassal state.
Here is how the Greenland issue will likely play out. Trump doesn't live in the real world and is too dumb to see the downside to what he is doing, so he will get Greenland one way or the other. The reasonable people on the other side see this, and have poor options. Either they sell Trump Greenland, notwithstanding all the reasons that this would be improper and unnecessary, or they stand firm and Trump moves in and takes it, which would effectively be an attack on a NATO country and trigger article 5. This would end NATO as we know it, as the U.S. would no longer be part of it (which Russia would love to see). If Denmark sells Greenland to the U.S. to appease Trump, they get some money and the fig leaf of NATO remains, as there is no attack on a NATO country. I believe that the latter course is more likely, as appeasement will disrupt the status quo much less, and history shows that appeasement of fascists is usually the first course of action (see, e.g., Chamberlain's approach towards Nazi Germany in the 1930s.) Of course, this will only embolden Trump and his followers, as it will be seen as Trump's great success.
Incidentally, if Trump were smart, what he would do is immediately start building up the base that the U.S. already has, and then get Denmark to agree to several additional bases, ideally in every town on the island, ostensibly to protect U.S. security interests. Then, use the bases to start pumping money into the local economy. Each base would have construction projects, personnel to feed and entertain, etc., etc. Suddenly, the locals would see dollars flowing into their pockets and their communities prosper. The U.S. could offer each citizen of Greenland $1 million tax free dollars if the country joins the U.S., and pressure Denmark to let Greenland put it to the vote. The population of Greenland is only 56,831, so the cost to purchase would be less than $57 billion. If Denmark balks, simply declare Greenland part of the U.S. and it's citizens U.S. citizens, and make Denmark the bad guy for trying to strip Greenland of it's right of self determination. If it goes to the vote, it seems highly probable that a majority the citizens would take the financial windfall and Greenland would become part of the U.S.. On the outside chance that the citizens voted against their own financial interests, well, the U.S. would already have a ton of military already in place, and show its true colors and take it anyway. With this strategy, the U.S. could at least pretend to be the good guy.
If he was smart then he would just start mining, no one is opposing it.
If he was knowledgeable, he'd know it's a dead end trying to mine stuff up there.
Nobody cares about mining anything in Greenland. Nobody actually cares about any resource in Greenland, or even the people in Greenland. Not strategically, anyway, before anyone gets it twisted. Rare earths, fine, whatever, that's just a marginal distraction.
Greenland is the fence post on one side of the gate which allows NATO to control Russia's potential naval passage into the Atlantic. At present Russia functionally cannot project any naval force to western Europe without literally going the long way around, all the way around Asia and Africa and past the tip of Cape Town, etc. Not at all coincidentally, the vestiges of the Cold War are why the US has always been so keen to maintain a military presence on Greenland in the first place.
With Greenland out of the picture and the US theoretically also on Russia's side rather than NATO, Putin stands a much greater chance of being able to get his warships into the Atlantic by hugging the coast of Greenland and then subsequently threaten the rest of Europe.
So Greenland is vital for Europe's security, but not exactly for the US...great...
Yes. And also while we're at it, just remember who has been whispering in Trump's ear all the goddamn time.
There's supposed to be a huge untapped oil field that Greenland and Denmark refuse to explore. That's what Trump is after.
Man if the US offered me 1 million to take my province I’d change my tune so fast though. I’d be like “sweet thanks you fat idiot fucks” and then I would use that money to move somewhere far away from this stupidity immediately.
You really think there's anywhere that's far enough away?
Moving to the Netherlands would paradoxically allow you to be high enough away.
Cassian Andor found that out
Theres some countries who are certain to remain neutral, Vietnam's foreign policy has always been "don't get dragged into another war", Kazakhstan makes a lot of money helping Russia evade sanctions, Colombia is basically un-invadable. New Zealand is expensive, but they're pretty uninvolved AFAIK.
Nah but I think it would be more fun to ride out in like Denmark or some shit.
No reason you couldn't take his money, then vote No. That's what I'd do. I don't owe any loyalty to a corrupt, treasonous, racist, rapist, pedophile. He's cheated countless people in his life, I have a moral responsibility to cheat him back, and take his money away from him.
The U.S. could offer each citizen of Greenland $1 million tax free dollars if the country joins the U.S.
Money only gets paid out if Greenland joins the U.S. in this hypothetical. And it would go to all citizens, not just people who voted yes.
Anyone believing in getting money promised by a grifter well known for not paying his bills deserves to be cheated.
If the money is coming from Trump, I'm going to be like Chuck Berry or Aretha Franklin, and insist on payment in advance, in cash, delivered BEFORE I vote. And my vote remains a secret, or no deal.
It would be hilarious if everybody took the deal, and voted against him anyway.
At least, it would be hilarious until he got enraged, and bombed the entire country in revenge.
Take his money, vote no, leave, move to a country where a million dollars lets you live like a king and be served by beautiful phillipino boys until I die. Thats my plan with my hypothetical that will never happen because
One: A capitalist would never offer that level of economic freedom to a working class body of that magnitude and
B: I don’t live in Greenland.
You really think they would give the money to them before Greenland joined? And in fact - once it joined who actually guarantees they'd get it, lol. They might just claim, this is part of the infrastructure the US provides for Greenland
They won't provide any infrastructure though. They'll be happy to say it's for the "service" of administrating Greenland and for the "security" provided.
I do not think they will be offering everyone in Greenland a million dollars.
He already offered 100k, but what is an offer from a grifter well known for not paying his bills worth?
Yeah exactly.
Gonna keep spamming this cuz I made it a year ago and it sat in a random folder on my PC for the perfect time lol
Germany needs to boot the US out of all the military installations there.
Germany helped the usa become the beast it is and is the inspiration for the current situation (funny when the usa inspired Germany first).
The right wing parties in Europe will help the usa.
Why can't NATO still exist without the US? The alliance could still stick together even if the US shits the bed. God damn why am I typing this? WW3 is about to start and I have no idea what the fuck is going on in my country anymore.
Because nobody in Europe wants to fight
The US has dominated the Western hemisphere for 70 years. Moving to snatch-and-grab military adventurism suggests that is no longer the case.
To the US, this is all just a distraction scheme from economic problems at home, and they know it.
People are poor and looking for anything to make them feel alive again.
I think EU should cut off US completely and BRICS should form then EU and BRICS should do trade. Ban all US social media and boycott anything that's made in US
BRICS is just a propaganda thing, it's all it will ever really be. Most trade happens between countries near to one another, though sometimes there's cultural similarities countries can come together on. The BRICS countries are all over the world, they all speak different languages and have very different political systems and interests.
Brazil is a democracy in South America Russia is a fascist regime in Europe and Asia India is a democracy in Central Asia China is a fascist regime (that pretends to be communist) in Asia South Africa is a democracy in Africa
Some of these countries have more trade and closer relations with western countries than with each other. China and India occasionally exchange gunfire over border disputes. Brazil has other trade agreements in South America which are way more meaningful. South Africa is similar.
It's just some fantasy of internet contrarians that have fallen for the "liberal democracies are bad actually" bullshit and want some weird group of countries that are going to... well no one knows.
And LOL at the EU wanting to do trade with Russia right now. Did you even think about what that R in BRICS stood for?
There's one thing common among all of them. They were all exploited by the west.
Russia? China? How?
The British Empire got China addicted to opium to take all their silver. The opium was grown by slaves in India.
Russia, despite being a northern nation, isn't in the western nations club, because of communist history. Capitalists hate communists because they don't want to lose power.
I mean they don't call it the Century of humiliation for nothing lol. Yeah Russia doesn't make sense though.
During the 90s, Russia went from standards of living comparable to the west to the third-world shithole it is now. We've never seen a drop in life expectancy on this scale outside famine and war. This was due to the "shock therapy".
I forgot about the 90s but yeah good point. I never heard of "shock therapy" before but seems interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_therapy_(economics) , seems like its a Retronym for describing IMF inspired market reforms. Good way to keep a country down :D
Here's a book on a lot of required reading lists for understanding the dynamic between the US and Russia (and quite a few other countries). https://annas-archive.se/md5/f340859dd26f83063256d1374813307c
I know what happened in the 90, USSR was dissolved.
Europe just finally signed a deal with Mercosur (that's the B in BRICS). Europe is also negotiating one with India. And it's increasing sanctions against Russia. BRICS is just an annual show off conference with zero substance.
Putin is a genius
I think it's more that Americans are stupid.
Putins had his hand in ensuring that happened for the latest generation as well.
It was Americans that created a culture where people will believe anything as long certain symbols are referenced. Throw in a flag or a cross and they'll believe any bullshit.
Americans made themselves stupid, Putin just exploited that stupidity.
Too much lead poisoning makes people dumb.
He brexited, too.
Nah that was British boomers being stupid.
And he played their stupidity just right.
Yep, he played everyone perfectly. Used economical ambition to neutralize Germany, nationalism to defeat UK and stupidity to take over US.
They are a nation who stereotypically love playing chess...
He could have waited a few more years before his special military operation for his Trojan horse to get back into office. Wouldn’t call him a genius entirely.
but it was just three days to kyiv
Calling him a "genius" is overdoing it, i think. He just interpreted the signals of the time, before anyone else did. He guessed correctly that the west is too fractured and weak to defend Ukraine.
I don't think NATO is going to end, I think what's going to happen is NATO is going to turn on America if Greenland gets annexed. That is how I think World War III is going to start.
Agreed NATO will go on without the US.
Russia doesn't look like the threat they once were. Ukraine has been holding them off all by themselves.
If all the NATO nations (sans USA) got together and raged on Russia, Russia would fall pretty quick.
The problem is Putin would use nukes if cornered.
Nukes are the only major worry about Russia, of course. However, there is a lot of doubt about the viability of their nuclear arsenal. It's assumed that they are mostly in disrepair, and many might not even be operational, but all it would take is one good one left to mess up the whole world's day.
And presumably, the ones that are on nuclear subs swimming around the world are fully operational.
I'm one of those experts but I've been saying Europe should prepare for end of NATO ever since Trump won for the first time.
Meaning while, USA citizens are waiting for mid term elections! Trump most likely will leave or court will do something. Sit and watch, do nothing.
The feudalists behind Trump made the mistake to give the population a chance to bring him down once... they won't repeat it. Also, if I remember correctly the SCOTUS granted the POTUS immunity for any action commited during his presidency. So whether Trump an others will be helf accountable his highly questionable to me... even if he loses the election in 3 years.
You would do the same if you were a US citizen. Talking tough from a distance is just as pathetic as our inaction and general inability to magically fix our country. Waiting for elections and not escalating beyond peaceful protests is all we can do without handing them the propaganda they need. Peaceful includes open carrying like the black panthers.
If someone were to actually assassinate the orange one, you guys are way more fucked. The retribution campaign would go way beyond Greenland even if it makes no sense.
Don't your knees hurt for being on them for so long?
Man the fuck up and stop trusting billionaires who only care about money will save you from billionaires who only care about money and raping children.
I hope the US loses all international rights if this happens. It has too many.
Might is the only right in the year 2026.
The pandering to Trump has been an element of our strategy over the last year
If it really happens, shut down all the US military installations in Europe and European territories. The Red Coats should tell the US to leave Diego Garcia too.
They can't even shut down the base in Greenland. There's a reason DeGaulle kicked the US out in 1966. And why Okinawa residents have been lobbying to shut down the local base for decades.
Europeans have been under military occupation since the end of WW2, telling themselves the gun pointed at the back of their heads was aimed at the USSR, even after it dissolved.
Now they're going to have to deal with a foreign hostile occupation whose roots have grown deep
Nobel price of ...war
Prepare yourself. Go buy a good quality action camera.
I know I shouldn't be shocked at Nazi headlines like these, but Denmark colonized Greenland illegally. Indigenous folks that live there have every right to say no to both occupiers.
Greenland is self goverened
Is that why Denmark is sending troops?
Greenland has full autonomy on most matters, except on policies and decisions affecting the region.
so, they are still not self-governing.
Well.
This might shock you: Greenland is self-governing and could leave the Danish Kingdom today, if they held a referendum.
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But who were there before them? Like America and its three-and-counting known phases of human migration, the last two overlapping, at which point do the invaders become the indigenes?
when the killings start.
How much do you get paid to say shit like this? It's a really really bad faith argument.
Why would I want to get paid for colonial propaganda‽
I dunno but it's really, really stupid what you're saying
The Nazi headline, or Danish occupation?
No colonization is just if the territory was already occupied. Which is the case for most colonization that has ever happened.
"Legal", however, depends entirely on the colonizer, I guess? They pass a law, boom it's legal. Still unjust and immoral, but legal.