ICE agent shoots, kills woman in Minneapolis; Walz puts National Guard on standby
3d 8m ago by lemmy.world/u/anon593839 in news from www.kare11.com
The National Guard will be used to remove ICE right? Right?
Yeah! Come on Governor, you’re not running for reelection, do the right thing and force them out!
Maybe he's afraid that doing so will make people write him in (no idea if they have a write-in option). /S
"The police are not here to prevent disorder, they're here to preserve disorder." -Richard J Daley right before the police beat the shit out of everybody and 'shoot to kill' was ordered.
Watched the video. This is a murder, plain and simple. Officer was never in any danger.
If something isn't done they will justify future murders because of self defense. Just like what Jimbo and Ned form South Park do before they shoot the deer and they aren't supposed to
"She's coming right for us"
It worked for Scuzzlebutt, it can work for ICE
"We gotta thin out their numbers!"
Yeah, they just wanted to murder her. Trump and the GOP are likely to defend the murderer just like they defended all the others.
They of course did.
unfortunately i think she drove close enough to him that he will get off with self defence
sucks i know
"close enough"
Dude deliberately placed himself in that position to justify use of force.
E: he wanted to kill someone. IMO another one of those “frustrated” raging right wingnuts that always resorts immediately to threats and violence when someone doesn’t do what they want, especially if it’s libtards, women, trans, minorities (the “usual suspects”, I’m sure). Nobody whips out a gun and pulls the trigger that fast on an unarmed person unless they are fundamentally primed and willing.
He already had his gun drawn and was about to shoot. He was just looking for a better angle. If the other guy didn't kill her, he would have.
I haven't seen anyone mention that her attention was divided. Two agents were approaching, yelling at her, one grabs at the door handle while screaming "get the fuck out of the car".
Meanwhile the murderer slowly made his way around the front of the vehicle, out of her line of sight. When she panicked and tried to flee, he saw his moment.
The panicked flight attempt after the other agent told her to get out of the vehicle is what will see the murderer walk free.
To me it looks like the murderer used careful timing to set the whole thing up, confident his leaders would back him up.
Even if it was clear as day, officer walked up to someone sitting on a bench and popped them in the head, they'd get off - who is going to prosecute, Pam Barbie? State can't prosecute, technically. Tho they should anyway.
You mean he walked close enough to her car as she was trying to get away?
Why hasn't the city arrested the shooter on suspicion of murder?
Because the federal government intentionally paid the murderer.
Because of shit like this
That case and Harlow v Fitzgerald both need to be overturned. The decisions are illegal as the law was written and passed, not illegally amended.
http://web.archive.org/web/20230520080201/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html
Fascism
I doubt the city knows who the shooter is. It's not like ICE Barbie will tell them.
Clearly the solution is to arrest all of them
Can't argue with that.
ICE Barbie accidentally outed him in a press conference by referring to a past incident involving him. He’s Jonathan David Ross, resident of Minneapolis.
That would be fucking hilarious under different circumstances.
I hate that we've reached a point in US history where a semi civil war is at risk of happening to stop government overreach from taking and killing whoever they want who gets in the way of their agenda to oppress as many people as possible and reduce everyone's rights to dust.
Crispus Attucks
I can’t wait until the National Guard gets Federalized. That’s more ICE agents on the street.
Where?
Come back and look up.
we were hungry
"In a post on X earlier in the morning, Walz asked Minnesotans to remain calm and said his team is working to gather information on the shooting.
Walz held a news conference later Wednesday afternoon with Minnesota DPS Commissioner Bob Jacobson, announcing he had placed the Minnesota National Guard on standby, saying, "soldiers are prepared to be deployed if necessary."
I thought Walz was everybody's friend? This doesn't seem very supportive of his former constituents.
He's worried about riots and looting.
More specifically, he's worried about looking bad if there are riots and looting. Because in 2020 after George Floyd's murder, Walz caught a lot of flak about not responding quickly enough to the Minneapolis police station burning to the ground.
but not gaining justice for his constituents.
-and they wonder why people riot and loot.
I don't even care anymore. No one is going to stand up to Trump. We lose. The billionaires and their dogs win.
^ Stochastic bait. Hold the line, people. Trump is extremely desperate and is on track to losing a huge chunk of power this year in midterms.
Register. Primary in the best Dems you can. Then Vote Dem in the General Elections. Ignore fools like this throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery.
We'll talk on the other side of midterms.
The fuck do you mean hold the line? No one is holding the line. It's being pushed back further and further every day and hardly anyone is doing anything, let alone "holding the line".
Of course people are giving up, no one is doing anything.
The time to do something was November 5th, 2024 and the months preceding in GOTV. The current time is to reach out to every friend, acquaintance, co-worker, or maga person you know in your actual community and get offline. The next time to do something is voting for better Democratic candidates in the primaries. Throughout will be more No Kings protests which at every interval has helped chip away Trump's support. The next time will be the midterms where the first real power can be taken back.
Don't be stupid. Be smart. This incident, tragic though it is, is beneficial to the opposition the way CK was to them.
Do NOT give them a Reichstag fire excuse they're trying so hard to bait out. Even the Minneapolis Mayor said this.
And if you criticize this shit, then I am ALL. Fucking. Ears on what your better alternative is, and why you're going to lead it by example.
Trump is all ready floating canceling elections…
Then we'll cross that bridge when it happens. Until then, we must assume they're a go. Do not submit to apathy or defeatism.
Lots of trolls on here want exactly that.
We crossed that bridge back in November 2024. Democracy is already dead. You have hope and that's great, but it's like having hope that you'll get a touchdown and win after the game is already over and fans went home.
No, bridge was not quite crossed; people were ignorant. That's a different story than rigged.
Fantasizing, fetischizing, about Viva la Revolucion isn't going to cut it either.
The latter is why I feel so hopeless, I guess. I feel like this site and reddit both are just loud angry people with their fists in the air. I appreciate the emotion, but nothing we do here or elsewhere seems to matter. I haven't "given up", because I'm still going to vote and hold my opinions, but I can't do anything that will change these happenings. I still take care of my immediate community as best I can. I just have to go live my life off the internet and hope it all works out.
I appreciate the clarification and this helped me better understand your position. As one Strat player to another, I can relate. I have family to care for and all I do every day is think about the most viable ways I can contribute to the cause in improving my children's future.
Stay real, brother.
I’ll say it again.
Fuck all the way off with your defeatism.
Grow up.
Grow a spine.
Trump is already a floating turd. The shit he says should make you more angry, not more apathetic.
dems had my vote in 2024. Theyll get one more vote from the in 2026. If they cant steer the country back when tbey knew fascism was on the line and did absolutely nothing in 2024, I am abstaining from voting blue (or red but never voted red) ever again. Voting straight socialist if I can or not at all going forward if dems fuck up their primary wins.
Fuck incompetency in the face of fascism.
lol you're holding the line by waiting for Democrats to save you in the midterms? THIS is why we're fucked.
By all means, tell me your better plan -- and by the way -- you first.
Lots of tough talk from those throwing peanuts form the peanut gallery, I tell you h'wat lol.
I always vote, down to the lowest of local elections. I've never missed any and will always remain active.
But I do disagree with you. If you know your broad human history, you should know that there's nothing that indicates that we're guaranteed a solution. You seem to not realize that there very well may not be a good solution at all. You have to be more realistic.
Keep voting of course. will too. But overall I think we're probably fucked.
In my opinion this is a very different sentiment than what was expressed above, and I am largely in agreement with you.
There might not be a better plan, if that's a a clearer way to say it.
(I don't mean that sarcastically, no tone of voice on the internet).
What about that broader human history? Not the first time someone has said "I rule forever now" and the population said "the fuck you aren't". Make sure that history is not "The people of X could do nothing against the evil power of dictator Y, until the US swooped in and saved everyone"
Nowhere in my response did I say "humans have a 0% success rate." Quote me if I did.
I said you can't ignore that sometimes we fail, and there simply isn't a solution, which you can't ignore. Especially if you do want to succeed.
It's about moves, not solutions. You're hardly ever out of things to do. No matter how small, the important part is to keep trying. Focusing on the ineffability* of finding a solution is just pointless and counterproductive. Don't think of what must be done in the sense of what's "correct", because there's no such thing. "History offers no control groups", so you can only try and do what you believe the right thing is. Looking away definitely isn't.
I also didn't say you said that tbh. Not sure where you got that from?
* anti-prententiousness disclaimer, sometimes I have to look up words I think of in my native language in the dictionary to see if they exist and seem close enough. Something out of "the reach of your mind"
I can't start a revolution by myself, I'll be arrested and you'll be the first to condemn me and say "we need to peacefully resolve this by voting for Democrats in the next election!"
It's not "tough talk", I said nothing tough. But there is no willingness to do what it takes, it's very obvious what it takes, just look at history and see how people defeat fascists, there's only one way it ever works, and it's never by voting to the complicit second in power political party.
The reason we're fucked is because people express voting in the midterms as their hope, instead of signaling to each other that they're willing to do what it takes. But that's uncomfortable and cuts into your apple tv time or whatever you waste your evenings on.
As far as me, couldn't help you if I wanted. I'm not in the US, I'm just watching the empire collapse. I'd prefer Americans do something positive with their country and turn it into a force for good, but collapsing is still a net positive for the world. I saw we are fucked because my country's currency is stupidly still pegged to the USD, and when that crashes it'll fuck with our economy too.
But hey, at least you shot back at me and lol'ed and dismissed me as throwing peanuts, you're doing your part! Keep worshipping complicit genocidal Democrats and hoping they save you.
I’m not in the US
Ah, and ladies & gentlemen — there it is. The convenient cop-out. Good friend, for your country pegged to the USD, you are but a mere plane-ticket away! (cue next excuse)
But hey, keep throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery and pretend you know better; though best not to say "we" if you're not going to be in the fight, yeah buddy? ;)
Go to sleep, wedge-driving tankies.
Other countries are gonna be trying their best to defend against a fascist US, and in the end, you are going to suffer as well. Due to your own government. You will not be absolved for not doing the hard thing, your very own government will make sure of that, if things are allowed to progress. And I want to press on that point: You will not be safe. And it will get worse. And it won't be because of any other country.
Of course the rest of the world will be pissed at you too. Your country will be the aggressor against them. And they will not come to your rescue. Why would they, after all? They won't be the aggressor. They will be defending themselves against you.
If you do not take action when the time comes, you will be left behind. Not intentionally, not by other countries at least.
You will be the average German in Nazi Germany. And how exactly, did other countries and history look on the average German in the end? And how did it go, for the average German? How many of them do you think thought "if only I had done something sooner"?
I don't expect USA to stop the path it's heading. I am preparing for the inevitable. I do not mind you blaming others. That is what I expect. You are going to face the consequences of your actions, and so am I also going to face the consequences of your actions. I will just be trying my best to survive a potential WW3, or, ideally, the consequences of a US civil war, and a Europe that stands alone.
You are telling me nothing I don't already know; just with strong confidence from a position of not having to do anything yourself. Nobody likes Chamberlain armchair generals.
Do you have kids? What, specifically, would you do in my position? Please be very specific.
You think I would not join a resistance if it was my country? I very much would. I would rather die in freedom than grow old unfree and under fascism. Though, chances are I would end my own life before growinf old due to that life and oppression itself being unbearable.
I do not see what I would fear in resistance, because the fear of what would happen were I not to resist would simply be greater. A life under fascism is simply not worth living. A life where I am not free to being myself is no life I would ever be satisfied by.
If you have kids, then this should especially apply to you, because you have kids to worry about. Kids to fight for. Kids that will live in this future you are heading towards. And, if it all so happens that you all survive, what will you answer when they ask you about today? Will you say that you fought for freedom? Joined a resistance and tried to prevent a worse future? Or if you won't survive, remember by?
But what do I know. I've only known oppression my whole life, being a minority of multiple kinds. I clearly do not know what is implied by losing freedoms, and what oppression can feel like. My country might have been peaceful so far, but I know for a fact I would rather face death than lose the potential freedoms I have. That I would subvert the law and state, risk facing its ire. Because the alternative is far worse and much more psychologically insidious. And would likely end in death and suffering, anyway.
Look. I'm just trying to get you to think about this in a serious and life-threatening manner. Because it is. What you deem is the best course of action is up to you. But do not forget that the thing that seems to have the least cost today, might not have the least cost tomorrow. You very well might just be taking out a loan with a drastically high interest rate.
You're saying I should book a flight to start a revolution in your country on your behalf because my country that's been ravaged by American imperialism pegged its currency to the petrodollar?
Okay, deal, I'll join. I'll be your Che, but you have to be Fidel first.
I know it's hard for you Americans to think of the rest of the world as even human, but we're affected by your empire and we are in this shit together. But you're on the front lines, and you need to fight instead of hiding behind complicit neo-liberals who use you as rhetoric to serve the same fascist capitalist class. We are fucked because of your inaction and apathy.
Read some non colonial history books.
By all means, please proceed with throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery from far away, and I'll continue calling out one's Chamberlain-like excuses.
Silly wedge-driving tankies.
To those viewing be aware of users like this who have an expressed intent to fan stochastic flames and also wedge-drive. Obvious Russian tactics (and no, need not originate from there but certainly possible).
Holy shit straight to calling me Russian, hope original.
I'm an American citizen, for what it's worth. A Palestinian American, and I don't view it as my duty to fight to save your empire when you think genociding my people is the "lesser evil". When you wake up and fight for humanity, I'll join you. Until then, first they came for the communists and all that...
Can we stop thinking everyone that criticized something needs to have a complete plan on how to make it better?
Film critics can will make bad movies, authors dont make good politicians and musicians bad therapists.
Someone can speak aloud the truth and be critical and not have a plan. That is what the collective is for.
Fuck. Stop asking for superman.
Film critics can throw peanuts from the peanut gallery but nobody actually cares what they think if they don't show they can make something better or even elucidate how to improve on the current script.
I'm not saying they can't make such comments; but as a call to action? In terms of obvious suggestive stochastic rhetoric? That's Chamberlain talk. Plain and simple.
In a way, it's like they're preaching to a choir of fellow critics who all agree the film sucks. But they don't offer any substantive way to improve it. Instead they just cry and complain to other film critics to find a way to make it better, or just keep yelling at the director to do something. Nobody likes these people.
That is your requirements and not the rest of ours. I have watched critics not add anything, we are empathetic creatures, sometimes we want to know how others feel, not just what they think.
I am honestly fine with people crying about it being bad and preaching to the choir cause it makes for a more full sounding song.
I dont require everyone that says anything to always be productive and I would ask you to ask yourself why you think that is normal to require from everyone else.
Nope, not me. I am not fine with falsely equating film critics analyzing a film already completed to stochastic antagonists prodding what has yet to come.
Besides, like I said even if we entertain this false analogy, in a way, it's like they're preaching to a choir of fellow critics who all agree the film sucks. But they don't offer any substantive way to improve it. Instead they just cry and complain to other film critics to find a way to make it better, or just keep yelling at the director to do something. Nobody likes these people.
Honestly, to me this is the trolling attitude, not "waiting to vote will not save you".
Saying "No, we are having elections whether you want it or not" very well might though.
Take your weak-ass bullshit attitude somewhere else.
Oh, because you have ideas as to what to do?
Start getting organized and take this to the street. Start protesting peacefully but disruptively and then (and this is the uncomfortable part) when they meet you with violence, answer with violence.
I have kids. I'm not risking any sort of extra attention or violence.
Then shut up and stop trying to discourage those who might be willing to fight back.
"fight back"
You're posting angsty comments online. That's not fighting back.
I never claimed to be someone who's in a position to fight back, but I'm certainly not going to try to convince people who are that it's pointless to do so.
Valid point.
Is the "fighting back" in the room with us right now?
I feel what this dude is saying because its true. No one is able to do anything to stop it. The post we are commenting on right now is about how they murdered in cold blood an innocent person on the street.
Oh but don't worry the national guard is on standby. What a fucking god damn joke.
There comes a point where it isn't defeatist, its reality. And here we unfortunately are.
We're fucked.
I get a feeling I'm going to be reposting this a lot in the near future.
Except you're not dogs and you can see the torture machine for what it is. Or at least you have the power to, because the machine also always directs you to not think about the machine.
Being defeatist ensures the reality never changes. That's what they're banking on. You, us all, are being manipulated into compliance by a sophisticated, subtle and cruel hand that some call surveillance capitalism.
It is not a hopeless fight, things CAN be better. Only the desires of a handful of pathetic little men are in the way of that.
It breaks my heart too, but doing nothing will.. do nothing to stop the violence that's already all around you. From the bottom of my heart, I hope your kids can live in a better version of the USA.
If you have only giving up in your head that's on you. Do it silently and fuck off
You seemed to have gotten angry and lashed out at me instead of answering my question.
The yes is implied. Don't project your helplessness on others, it's not helpful.
EDIT: I was hangry, I regret being this snarky.
I'd love to hear your plan.
I'm not going to be the European preaching what to do, but I'm still going to give you an honest answer.
Read books. If you have always heard about Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 but never read them or did so when you were a teen, now is a good time. Even if you're not a reader, I guarantee you'll go through them in a week.
Talk to people. Your neighbors, colleagues, people you meet at protests and demonstrations. Normalize speaking out
But most importantly and very simply, don't give up. Learned helplessness (google the term) is being weaponized against you to keep you apathetic and discouraged. Keep hope and love - for your country, your family, yourself - alive.
The details on what practical steps to take are all in there.
First you're European with no stake in our game. You swear at me when I asked you what your plan was. Then you tell me to read books that I read in high school and talk to my neighbors. Solid.
First you're European with no stake in our game.
Buddy... Are you serious? Both on a long time scale and on a much shorter one, my life is deeply influenced by what greedy shitty little American companies and politicians do, much to my dismay. From the climate, to global warfare, to the internet and surveillance capitalism, what are you talking about? I really say this with no offense, but Americans really have a misplaced sense of what power they have. They fail to see some that they have, and presume to have some that they don't.
You swear at me when I asked you what your plan was.
You're right, "fuck off" was a bit strong, and I was swearing because I'm upset, but not by you, nor "at" you. I apologize, and please don't take this personally. the message I wanted to say is don't bring "huh so you think you know because you're smart better and privileged?" energy, it doesn't help anyone. It's not about knowing the "right" thing to do, it's about doing what we know in our heart is right. I really like the "History offers no control groups" quote, think it sums it up nicely.
Then you tell me to read books that I read in high school and talk to my neighbors. Solid.
I told you, I'm serious. If you can't see the power of knowledge and community, I'm not sure what to tell you aside from please reconsider. Of course you can't topple the government on your own. Learning from people who have seen and lived similar things, and talking with people that are experiencing the same thing as you, is not a dumb thing to do.
🎵Fuuuuck this defeatist shiiit 🎶
Is it defeatist to accurately asses the situation of those with power?
Like sure it should be "no one in a position of government is going to do anything to push back or defend the peasants" but thats wordy and the peasants will occasionally shoot people but they just get stomped on harder and used as an excuse to feed us less and shoot us more often.
It is just wordy.
No, that's just astroturfing
I dont think you know the definition of astroturfing.
I generally prefer it over "trolling" although in this case it might be more appropriate. What I mean is spreading negative sentiment with the goal of subverting something.
Spreading defeatism is enabling the oppression that you, correctly, describe as an objective reality
Should have gone with trolling. It think internet wise it really means to trigger a response from others and they did accomplish that.
As I have said elsewhere, I'm not above a good wail now and again and won't fault others for crying out. Crying doesnt enable an abuser. They abuse whether or not you do. Its what you do after you cried it out that matters.
Can you sing a song with your plan of action, or are you going to continue to post meaningless comments online about how mad you are?
Are you out on a mission to say "Look, no one has a plan, see?" ?
Yes. No one has a plan. We're fucked. You are fucked. What are you going to do?
Unless and until you fail to stop the ghouls you have for a government from starting shit in Europe, the greatest influence I can have is talking to you. But stating "no one has a plan" is just objectively false. And in any case, you don't even really need one. It's ok to just try to make things right, step by step.
Sure typing on Lemmy makes a world of difference. Thank you for your service.
It does man. Making angry comments on twitter or instagram or whatever is pointless at best and feeding the machine at worst, but random, internet-based, direct human-to-human communication is valuable and beautiful and powerful.
If you're someone who is thousands of kilometers away from the US but has their shitty late stage capitalist fingers in every corner of their life, what else can you do? I try to wield this weapon with love and hope you can find a better future, not hate because "you're bad". Your government is bad, it's fucking shit. You're just a person trying to do its human thing. I'll take the "russian bot!!1!" accusations and try to explain that what makes me a dirty radical extremist leftist is that I just want you and everyone else to be happy, and do the human thing the way you like.
(I'm using the second person but none of this is directed at you OP. Just to Americans reading this)
Saw this posted somewhere. Not my words, but I and many Americans I know agree with this:
"To everyone outside the US who's angry at Americans right now, especially those of us who hate Trump and feel trapped: Please understand this. We do not elect our president the way you think we do. Millions of us voted against him. Millions of us are terrified of the damage being done. We are not cheering this on. We are living inside it. If you're wondering why we don't just "revolt like the French" or "fix it" here is the reality of being an American right now:
Our system is rigid, slow, and stacked in ways that make "just revolt" a fantasy. We don't have a culture where mass strikes shut the country down overnight. We don't have a centralized government you can pressure in one city. We have fifty states, militarized policing, surveillance, debt, and jobs tied to health insurance. For many people, losing a job for protesting means losing healthcare and housing.
France is smaller than Texas. Organizing a "national" revolt across 3.8 million square miles (9.8 million square km) and 330 million people isn't just difficult, it's logistically close to impossible. That doesn't mean we're complacent. It means we're constrained. Anger at US power is fair. Fear of US decisions is fair. But blaming every American, especially those who are fighting, exhausted, and scared alongside you, misses the mark.
We're not watching this from the sidelines. We're stuck in the same burning house. Just closer to the fire."
Edit: I believe credit goes to Jason Gervase, ASL Pinnacle
Just to add on for the people in the back:
protesting means losing healthcare and housing
Unlike in a sane country, this can be damn close to a death sentence. 11% of Americans have diabetes and can just straight up die when they lose access to insulin. Hospitals do not give any service beyond emergency care if you're uninsured, God forbid you need something like regular dialysis. Homeless services are barely existent and are stretched to the limit already; unhoused people have something like a 3.5x mortality rate. If you spiral and lose your housing you're statistically taking 20 years off of your life.
And of course some people are still taking that risk. I hope people in a safer position read this as a call to action. If you have stable housing, good health and have transportation to a state capital you're in a better situation to act than the majority of Americans.
Heck, if you're managing to live paycheck to paycheck without saddling up on CC debt, then you're doing better than 50% of the people here.
Thanks for sharing, I'm going to save it as well as it is well written.
Seems to me that people in the US should be starting a campaign to convince people not to submit federal taxes this year. What are the 100k or so IRS agents going to do when 170m people don't pay?
That's another thing that people don't realize. Taxes are usually automatically deducted from a person's paycheck and paid to the state and fed by the employer.
Most people's taxes for 2025 are already paid.
One would have to get their employer to not do the deductions (something a lot of "sovereign citizens" try) and often it's not possible to do.
For countries that issue their own currency, such as the USA, taxes don't really pay for governments's spending, as the governments control the issue of money. Governments create money when they spend and taxes cancel money out of existence (and force the currency into use).
All this to say, not paying taxes will never stop the US government from spending money. However, it could have strong symbolic power!
Keep telling yourself this. Out of 330m, there should easily be multiple million people protesting every week.
That's a lot of words to say we're divided.
Cool story bro