These things happening once in a while is normal.

These things happening all the time is an issue.

For a lot of symptoms of adhd, autism and others it's not what you experience, but the frequency at which you experience and how detrimental it is for you because of the frequency.

Like, everyone needs to piss and shit. But if you're going 10 times every 2 hours, something is wrong.

Social media in general attracts autistic people, because it’s much easier to socialize without being judged or excluded.

By definition Autism and ADHD are disabilities that negatively impact your life relative to other people.

It’s important to have a word to label what the issue is in a neutral way, because if you don’t use the word autism, you get called words like “weird,” “creepy,” “stupid,” or the r-word. When none of those things are true. Your brain just doesn’t intuitively understand things the way other peoples’ does.

The ADA defines a person with a disability as a person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activity. Socialization is a major life activity. Loneliness is a major cause of depression of death, and not being able to socialize well impacts your ability to maintain employment. When these issues aren’t managed, your ability to function in society is significantly impaired.

To me, this post is no different from saying “You’re not dyslexic, you just needed to try harder in spelling class.” When people have an issue, telling them it doesn’t exist isn’t helpful.

Your daughter does not take "speed". Educate yourself.

These are genetic disorders. Ask yourself, why it might be that you, who gave your daughter large parts of her genetic makeup, perceive her as "normal".

Everybody pees. If you have to run to the loo every 5 minutes, see a doctor.

It's almost like the whole thing is a spectrum, where people that have it feel the same emotions as neurotypical people, but they feel them more intensely.

There's also something to be said for admitting 5hat if your child is neurodivergent then you as a parent are probably neurodivergent

Everybody pees once in a while but if you do it 20 times a day something might be wrong. Every ADHD/‘tism/bipolar trait is experienced by neurotypical people, but not to the degree someone with an actual diagnosis do.

Without commenting on any specific meme (if for no other reason than that imgur is booked the UK and i can’t see the image) and without meaning to disparage OP in any way, because i believe they are asking an honest question, i think that sometimes it’s a question of framing. I think of it like this:

Say you’ve broken your leg and it’s painful for you to hobble around on crutches. You get to work and find that the lift (elevator for the yanks) is out of order. You work on the 20th floor and have no choice but to take the stairs. You talk about how unpleasant this is going to be for you, and a colleague says “yes, everybody hates taking the stairs”. Maybe they do, but it’s not the same thing.

Which again isn’t to suggest that everybody posting memes about neurodivergence is talking about real traits, just that the idea that “everybody runs out of social battery sometimes and therefore everybody is on the spectrum somewhere” isn’t really accurate. It can be the difference between deciding to skip a party because you’d rather curl up with a book and spending 4 months not exchanging a single word with another human being. Or the difference between having a favourite film which you say you’re “obsessed” with and spending 9 days straight watching it on repeat while only sleeping 4 hours a night because the other 20 are you watching the film.

A decade or two ago people used to say “everybody’s a little bit OCD”. That seems to have fallen out of fashion now. I’m reminded of the meme which goes something like one person saying “I’m a bit OCD, i arrange my books by colour”, and the second person saying “cool. I think that if I don’t flip the light switch 40 times all my family will die”.

autistic people find talking online better than talking in person, it's also not very safe to talk about autism IRL where people will judge you, so it's not talked about as much IRL

Also as a sidenote, ASD has different symptoms for different people. I don't relate to some of the things personally, but my sister (also with ASD) does.

Didn't you know?

On Lemmy, everyone is a trans-feminine lesbian autist communist.

/joke

But seriously, doctors appointments are scary and time consuming and like half of Lemmy are Americans without healthcare.

Please do not call ADHD medication "speed". It is chemically different from what you would find on the street. (Methylphenadate != Methamphetamine)

Associating doctor-perscribed medication with illegal drugs perpetuates a stigma which creates many problems for people struggling with ADHD.

Could be that everyone identifies with the same things that the group you're referring to experiences. But that group often has it much worse than most people. Or that the vocal minority of that group misrepresents the hole.

What you see as "basically normal" is after they are medicated. Isn't that the point of the medication? Maybe go look at someone who stops taking it for an experiment.

Typically the difference is that people with autism and or ADHD experience things more frequently or more intensely than others.

Yes, all these things are normal for most folks, but how often and the severity of these symptoms are diffrent.

For example, I have ADHD, and one of the symptoms of that is I'm easily distracted. For most people, this would sound fairly normal, but even when its something important, or something I want to do, my brain is moving on to a billion other things all at once rather than focusing on the task at hand. Medication helps immensely with this, but it still happens even on my meds at times. That is not normal.

Also the autism spectrum is a spectrum for a reason. Some people appear to cope better than others and some can't cope at all. Masking is normal but for someone with autism it can be exhausting because some people with autism never stop masking. They are constantly aware they aren't "normal" and it stresses them out.

Its hard to understand these kinds of feelings if you're Neurotypical. Our brains work differently from others, which might sound like "I'm special" but honestly, I'd rather not have ADHD. Shit sucks dude. I fucking hate not being able to do things like a normal person. Its a curse.

People ive met with ADHD or autism, its just nice to be seen and feel like were understood which is why these memes are often posted or are popular with those crowds.

They're "normal human foibles" because it's perfectly fucking normal and human to have ASD qualities.

It’s a pretty common thing nowadays to self-diagnose. Some understandably want an answer to why they are how they are, while others want to feel like they’re original and unique.

However, getting an actual diagnosis from a licensed psychiatrist is paramount to understanding and managing one’s behavior, emotional state, and well being. Self-diagnosis is dangerous to these same things.

Being autistic isn’t cute. It’s not silly and quirky. For many, it’s hell. And having ADHD doesn’t excuse poor decisions and bad behavior like a lot of people seem to assume it does.

Having said this- many people who self-diagnose try to see normal human behavior as being neurodivergent behavior when it’s not. Anyone who knows better would have learned this back with the basics when they were diagnosed by a professional.

there's definitely a non-zero number of people who self-diagnose as something to feel "special," but for every one of them there are five people who are autistic or ADHD and need accomidations but won't get them because the people around them think they're doing them a favor by insisting they're not "broken." you don't want your kid to be the first thing, sure, but also make sure you aren't causing the second thing- if you're in doubt, the right person to ask is a psychologist or a psychiatrist. however, that can be very expensive, hence the whole self diagnosis to begin with

Edit: a very good starter would be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1AUdaH-EPM

You have a scale of 0 to 100%. Mine is like 200 to 4000%. There is a lot of literature and research on autism. We work differently and the way your post starts made me feel very attacked. And suddenly completely out of energy, although I love informing about it.

I guess that's because exactly that is our daily struggle. To all the damaging things we experience add on top that we're accused of faking and also 'that's how it's for everyone'.

If you want to get into it but not start reading books I can recommend the book 'invisible differences' very much. There's a pdf on the internet floating around.

I know you wanted to ask innocently, however keep in mind asking about something and implicating something is not really a thing to people suffering massively exactly for that reason can be very hurtful.

There's degrees to these things. At a certain point they're severe enough to be considered a problem beyond just "normal human foibles". I for instance don't like being outside at home because the HOA I live in doesn't allow privacy fences and your neighbors for 8 houses in either direction can see into each others back yards. It stresses me out to the point that I avoid it as much as possible and probably makes everyone else think of me as a weirdo (which also stresses me out). Whether that problem falls under autism or ADHD I'm not qualified to say but it's not normal behavior.

The only thing in this list that I relate to is the masking, so I'll address that

Yes, we all conform and hide parts of ourselves in public, doesn't mean you can't "be yourself".

As I understand it, when a neurotypical person is hiding parts of themselves, it's something like "I don't want anyone to know I'm into Taylor Swift". So just don't talk about it. It's that simple. For me, I have to think about every word I say because no one interprets things literally. If someone asks me whether or not I like Taylor Swift and I want to answer in the affirmative, can I just say yes? Or do I need to take note of the day of the week and say no while gesturing wildly with my left hand when it's a Monday or look 15º to the left from Wednesday to Friday? When we talk about masking, it's that, applied to every single sentence coming out of your mouth. Comparatively, never talking about Taylor Swift is a trivial task.

The same way not everyone who gets sad has depression or not everyone who gets nervous has anxiety

I feel like online spaces like lemmy over represent some behaviors.

Are the images AI upscaled or purely AI-generated?

It's normal to pee. It's not normal to pee 200 times a day.

Apply that to any ADHD symptom and you'll understand.

Girls used to be 16x less likely than boys to be diagnosed, now only 3x less likely, because traditional ADHD criteria excluded girls and women from their studies. Girls are sociallized differently and thus present different symptoms. Girls are also more heavily penalized for typical ADHD symptoms and are forced to learn to mask better.

A lot of the backlash against women speaking about their ADHD symptoms on social media is due to misogyny and gatekeeping. When women present their experiences, it's often seen as attention seeking behavior and not treated as an account of how the medical system has once again failed women.

Well you see, I have my diagnosis paperwork

People have stopped socializing, at least not in a real, meaningful way. Discord groups of other shut-ins feeding off each other's insecurity doesn't count.

The lack of socialization means a lack of social validation so to feel any value at all, we all have to figure out how to carve out new identities in a much more lonely and dark world. Self-diagnosis of conditions and syndromes can give you insulation from criticism and give you a sense of community and belonging, so less effort is placed on managing or treating the condition and more effort is placed on affirming and defending your condition.

I'm not saying the conditions aren't real, they exist on a large spectrum that almost everyone falls on to some degree, but what's changed is the view of the conditions or syndromes as an obstacle to life that needs to be managed or beat. Instead it's a badge of identity that people work to justify and preserve, often without realizing it.

I've been in and out of the mental health system for years, I've done it to beat depression, PTSD and anxiety and have made great strides by accepting the hard truths of the things I need to do to make it easier to live with problems outside my control. But these are tools I embraced because I wanted to go outside, meet people, be more social and have more opportunities.

Not a lot of young people want any of that, they've been disillusioned by the promise of the future because the internet just feeds them the bleakest picture of the world that it can, and people don't generally seek out balancing perspectives on their own, and even resist any attempt to tell them that there's a lot of important reasons you might want to stretch your mental and social muscles.

Nearly everyone I talk to under the age of 25 or so says they can't imagine living past 40, with many saying that they actively have plans to not live past 40, which blows my goddamn mind.

Every single one of you whiny, nihilistic shits out there is going to hit age 40 and say "Oh fuck, what have I done with my life?"

I've come to the conclusion that everyone is somewhere on the spectrum.

The question of whether to get a diagnosis is more about handling any issues that come from it. Some people need medication, some people needs extra help with certain things and some people just needs to know about it - in order to function in the way that makes sense to them.

If you need those things to function, it will help to get a diagnosis, because it can make it a lot easier to get that help, especially if it's medical.

But, make no mistake. Everyone has something. It's only a question of whether you need to treat it.

In a perfect world where there was no prejudice, we could be screening all school children and hand out paperwork along the grades, so you'd get an 8 in Math class and a 4 in ADHD. You know, just to get a full picture of the person.

But joking aside, there's no reason why teaching can't be more inclusive of these issues and just teach everyone as if they have autism and ADHD, even if they do not have a diagnosis. More often than not it's only a matter of being allowed extra time for certain tasks or a slightly more pedagogical approach. Everyone can benefit from that, so it's completely wrong to place diagnosed kids in special classes, when what is really needed is better educated teachers.

1. Reduced stigma led to more diagnosis and less hiding
2. decreased socialization and internet escapism increased the percentage of the population exhibiting these symptoms and aided in self diagnosis
3. people like to make groups to simplify their world and feel a sense of belonging, see: astrology, personality quizzes, omegaverse, sports

Its a big complicated mess with no clear answer. We all do exhibit these feelings to a certain extent, the magnitude and ceiling for our ability to cope and adapt to them however feeds our definitions, yet everyone can look at this and feel a little but of ourselves.

I felt like this which is initially why I didn’t get tested. Even tho I can see how medication has helped me, I still worry that I’m imaging it.

The answers to all those questions may be yes.

People who make those works aren't necessarily the best authorities on their condition even if they have it: they're still fallible humans with blind spots who've only lived as themselves without another version of themselves to compare. Much like how competent speakers may lack explicit awareness of the subtle nuances of their language & may succumb to over-analysis suggesting false rules, just having a condition doesn't make someone acutely aware of the distinctions that set it apart, so they may misattribute.

They may also be flat out wrong about having the condition, since it is the internet after all.

Some of it is a matter of degree where it's relatable to everybody within manageable limits but a dysfunction beyond those limits.

White college educated males were considered the default in a lot of early and mid 20th century experimental psychology due to the availability of test subjects and biases of people running the experiments. The definition of neurotypical behavior came from a subset of the population.

ADD and ADHD are known to hinder progression through the education system. So, the cohort of people on that part of the spectrum were underrepresented. The bounds for being normal were skewed.

Also, medical intervention is typically only looked at when the mental condition causes a reduction of quality of life. Over the past generation, the need for a formal collegiate education has become greater in developed countries due to shifts in economics. A kid which would be considered energetic and absent minded a few generations ago would have a far greater chance in being economically successful compared to now.

Yeah most of it is just human symptoms. I definitely have it more compared to my friends though who cant keep up in conversations with me because I go so fast and switch topics in a millisecond. Its fun when I meet someone who can also do this.

Also. A large amount of people online do have adhd because of the dopamine hits triggered by arguing and getting comment responses. Go in the real world. Bob at the tire store is probably normal.

Some of us are just sitting here nodding along to 90% of the memes and struggling continuously with basic daily function but also past puberty and thus completely unable to even get checked for any kind of diagnosis due to a crumbling and outdated healthcare system.

I was in denial about being autistic for around a decade after I first had suspicion because of exactly the reasoning you provide.

To provide some insight to my experience is that I had to manually decode all the non-verbal communication with logic while keeping track of the verbal stuff and monitoring my own expression back when I was masking. That shit is exhausting. Masking isn't just picking a personality to wear based on the occasion, it's doing that while it doesn't come naturally and consciously tweaking behavior. Jokes on us, we give of the uncanny valley vibes when do that because it "feels off".

If there's something loud around me I will intensely try to hear what people say to me but I just can't because the surrounding is louder.

I was so bad at throwing and kicking balls that I was made fun of despite actually practicing both football and handball.

I went to sleep scared for a long time because I imagined people breaking in because of slightest squeek in the house.

It's also hard to explain how easy it is to have conversations with other autistic people vs normies.

Yes to four out of the five serious questions.

Do you know the Barnum Effect? In my country they did a funny test on TV once, they'd do people's astrological charts and then read one chart to them, and every single person was like "Woah, this is so about me! That's totally me!" and then they would be like "Oops, I picked the wrong chart, this one is actually Hitler's"

I'm diagnosed with Asperger's (mild Kanner's, but with low emotional intelligence), and this happens all the time.

Completely relate. Pretty normal… Except for… list pending.

Here’s one:

https://piefed.cdn.blahaj.zone/posts/6k/Lb/6kLbDigyQuftk4k.jpg

Doesn’t everyone do that now and again?! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

I do. Not autistic. Do have ADHD, but not sure if it affects this. Sending memes requires very little conscious thought besides "oh hey that person I like communicating with, might like this meme" whereas responding to the actual text requires reading said text, processing it, and coming up with a response. Depending on the day, person in question, and the subject matter, this may take a lot of effort or none at all. Depending on the day, person in question, and the subject matter, I may consider it a high priority or not.

But some of these issues I think are also a matter of how much you do it. At least something I've noticed with ADHD, particularly the executive dysfunction part of it: It's normal to not want to get out of bed the second you wake up, but is it normal to stay in bed for 4 or 5 hours before your bladder finally forces you up, while actually holding back the need to pee for 2 or 3 of those hours?

As for the fear of being perceived image:

1. Everyone does this to some degree, but maybe people for people with a disorder it happens so much it affects their life in a negative way?

2. Literally happens to everyone I know of. I think there's things I do better on autopilot than consciously because I'm so used to doing them - and if someone's watching, I become conscious.

3. Pressure to conform or mask - I think this is most people too, to some degree. Maybe for people with a disorder the pressure to mask is so strong it overtakes their brains and they feel they aren't completely functional in social situations because of it.

4. Hyper aware of threats - again, I think this is everyone is aware of threats, that's evolutionary. But how aware is "hyper aware"? If you can't stop blocking out trains of thought that go like "that guy on the other side of the street looks like he has a bulge in his pocket and hey maybe it's a gun, and though he's not at point blank range, he IS close enough that if he shoots multiple times, it might hit?" Then I think it's an issue.

5. I double check too, I'm just forgetful. I used to not be suspicious of all sounds, but with my ex-wife living even in the same country as me, you never know... So it's justified IMO lol

6. I think that's most people. If you LIKE being stared at, you'd probably be great at being a public figure of some sort. Actor, politician, whereever you have to talk in front of a camera or a bunch of people, or both.

Deep down we all have some insecurities, and that can lead to a fear of being perceived, that doesn't necessarily mean it's autism. I used to be super awkward into my teens. Definitely had a fear of being perceived. As I grew less awkward, the fear of being perceived got smaller. Started hanging out with friends more, and by the age of 18 I became a clown. Not a literal clown, but I'm literally the comedic relief character in any group of friends. No longer afraid to make myself look stupid on purpose for a joke, etc.

I think these memes use these super common "actually everyone does this" traits on purpose. Makes it easier to relate, whether or not you actually have the disorder - though if you have it, chances are that you do these things a lot more, or they affect you more.

Capitalism and consumer culture expects as all to be robots. Autism and ADHD labels help people feel more comfortable excusing their humans behavior so they self assign. Also because more people are ADHD and autistic so a mix

"Popular" definition of autism changed from actual disorder to anything "on the spectrum" and since everyone is on the spectrum somewhere everyone can say they have autism now. It's like saying you're gay because you don't find all men disgusting.

Because ever since 2016, the Great Societal Meltdown of the World (moreso America), everyone became armchair psychologists, scientists, researchers and therapists. Where, we just toss that bundle of word salad around, play label games and guesstimate who has what. There is no longer a thing such as 'normal' because everyone has to have something with them.

Quite frankly, we've gotten too fucking bored as a species.

It's trendy for some reason.

In the 2000s in France, some people wrote books on children with high IQ, and suddenly all the parents had a gifted child. Psychiatricists were flooded with IQ tests from those parents. There were dozens of forums on the web with parents of gifted children, and other forums with self-diagnosed teenagers.

Then the fad died and all those web sites disappeared.

Now it's ADHD and autism. Most are self-diagnosed again I'm sure because it's fun and easier to have mental issues, instead of accepting that you should work in yourself. Would you rather be special, or normal and boring?