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But Harris had an annoying laugh, I'm glad I didn't bother to vote. (/s)
See, the democrats faied by not running a perfect candidate vs Hitler v2 /s
Edit: see the comments below mine proving my point. Look at all these chickens.
I would have been pretty happy if they had at least democratically selected a candidate.
Obligatory: Biden can go fuck himself right off a cliff. The narcissistic dogmatic prick refused to believe anyone but him could beat Trump...
I doubt that. The whole reason the DNC pushed him in and then kept him in the race wasn't to stop Trump, it was to stop eftists from sneaking through the nomination process. The DNC "centrists" haven't run a square primary since Obama stole the nomination from "it's her turn" Hilary in 2008.
Eh, Hanlon's Razor. There are certainly plenty of dirty neo-libs, but I also think the Democratic party is where passionate, practical minded, progressive political science types wind up, and I think that demographic is well-meaning but caught up in metrics.
Metrics rely on historical data. Obviously Biden should be the candidate, he's an incumbent, and incumbents have an advantage. The problem is the sample size is too low (n = 47) to really control for most variables. Especially since when you consider the study longitudinally, n = 1.
Anyway, politics is hard, and I'm willing to give a little grace to those who are least trying to be smart. Strategists seem like the smart move, but the big paradox of analyzing a quickly-changing subject is that the more data-backed your strategy, the more outdated it is. The world moves too fast now.
I suspect a not-insignificant segment of the caucus has been been just sincerely trying to play the right moves.
He had to drop out because everyone was crying he was too old, then elected someone equally old but with an actual criminal record.
The "he had to drop out" part is the issue and it wasn't just because of people crying about his age, the whole "we finally beat Medicare" and his brain melting on live t.v played a big part.
I'm like 90% sure he said he'd run for one term when running in 2020, but then he held on to the belief that he was the only one who could win for too long that getting primary elections set up would have taken too long. Republicans were already talking about going to court over Kamala being added to the rolls "too late" so Kamala was "forced" on us.
He didn't specify one term in 2020. His aides kept making comments in that direction, but nothing definitive. Back then it made me afraid he'd try to stay for a second term, because that seemed like a sure way to lose...
Dude still thinks he would have won. Fuck him.
The world isn't here to make you happy.
You make the best decision with what you've got.
Americans absolutely failed at doing so. Because they're uninformed child-like dipshits.
Sounding kinda fascy here for being the defender of democracy lmaooooo classic liberals. My way or the high way no room for discussion that makes you feel rightfully stupid and misinformed.
We’re not in a democracy, we’re in a capitalist duopoly, get with it and stop acting like a fucking child because the world doesn’t give you ideal options. Your choices are shit sandwich and bigger shit sandwich, if you refuse to choose then you will be force fed the bigger shit sandwich. There is no getting what you want out of the situation, there is literally no such thing as a club sandwich, it doesn’t exist, but you can make an attempt at not being force fed the larger pile of shit and bread.
Man you really are close. Unless you like the capitalist duopoly (which really they are two parties of capital so its hardly even a duopoly) then surely you must also understand from your vast studies that engaging with the lesser of two evils narrative is precisely how capital has been able to accrue more and more power over the systems that be. Every election cycle the Dems just move further right towards the Republicans and then y'all vote for them and wonder why shit sucks!
I dont subscribe to your defeatist attitude that allows you to justify inaction and shitty politics of individuality. Grow up and read some books.
That’s all entirely erroneous. Ignoring the reality of things for an idealist fantasy doesn’t make you morally superior, it makes you a tool.
What you call defeatism I call pragmatism and situational understanding. You’re demanding that perfection get in the way of progress or damage control, you’re not progressive, you’re exactly what the powers that be want you to be, absolutely fucking useless and ineffectual. You’re a dog of the state, they said roll over and you did exactly that.
What's erroneous? Praytell explain to me how capitalism works or something. This should be good I'll go get popcorn.
I’m not advocating for the system to be what it is, I simply understand what it is, you obviously don’t and keep projecting what you’d like things to be. Stop being a useless idealist and examine the real world for what it is and how it’s actually functioning. This is not the time for dreams.
Most on the left are finished with trying to discuss, or find common ground, with the right There is no such thing. The right wing does not discuss in good faith, and they don't believe in words. Hypocrisy doesn't phase them and they have no shame. They will abandon a principle the moment it inconveniences them.
And frankly the world sees who you look up to, so if I were you I wouldn't be slinging around accusations of stupidity.
Lmao do you think I'm on the right?
I don't think it matters, to be honest.
Well it kinds does. Critique from the right will never lead to the reforms we need it will just be minorly improved shitty options because they will never substantially threaten the powers of capital that control our government.
I don't think either side has accepted where they are and what needs to be done, regardless of how you got there.
It's too late to talk about what the laws and regulations should be. Laws are irrelevant. The time to affect ideological change has passed, you missed the window. Even if you're right about the causes, and I believe you and I would agree on that, those discussions are over. At this point it's just more navel gazing and blaming that distracts from what needs to be done.
I disagree. Now more than ever ideological change in this country is a necessity. How do you suggest we get out of this without fundamentally changing the character of the politics in this country?
Corpocrats are just as hopeless as MAGA.
I am baffled by this comment...corpocrat?
Where do you get this idea that I am pro corpo or pro Dem?
This is such a funny moment of a liberal being unable to comprehend the political spectrum.
I was agreeing with you.
Apologies for the friendly fire then comrade
All good homie. I know how it is out here.
No democracy allowed in the Democrat party. They argued that in court.
see the comments below mine proving my point. Look at all these chickens.
So no criticism is allowed because you like the party? Damn, Trump would love to have you on his side.
Clearly the German Communists were to blame for the holocaust because they failed to stop Hitler and the Nazis.
That's what you sound like.
Criticise all you want, but it came down to one clear name on the ballot who was not hitler jr and had a chance to win.
I would never say “vote blue no matter who” but on Election Day that was the only sane choice
People should have voted for her no doubt about that. OTOH Biden refused to step down up until the 11th hour forcing Kamala to be the only option, thus avoiding a primary. The DNC can't keep screwing its voters out of having a proper candidate.
It's so nauseating how you twist the actual grievances people had with Harris and pretend they are shallow meaningless complaints about her "annoying" laugh.
Dismissing valid criticism that she and her supporters dismissed and didn't listen to us validates that criticism, for what it's worth.
Wow, cool, a felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist is now our president. He's crashing our economy, violating our Constitutional rights, demonizing all those on the left of the spectrum, filling the ranks of government and the military with loyalists, ending all our allegiances, invading other countries, and threatening to invade more.
I don't give a FLYING FUCK about people's grievances over Harris. Or Biden.
They can take those grievances and shove them up their pathetic assholes.
Do your critiques of her matter in the face of outright fascism? She was the non-fascist option. Now we're stuck with a dictator for who knows how long. But y'all really taught those congressional dem's a lesson! That'll surely make all of our lives better!
They do matter. Because the fact that nobody took those critiques seriously is what caused people not to vote for her. The fact that nobody took those critiques seriously 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30, even 40 years ago - is how the United States entered the situation that it is now. Half a century of "barely good enough" on the "representatives" of the left and we wonder why America is the way it is.
And ultimately, she lost, because people didn't vote. And those people clearly stated why. In advance. For years. Yet the Democrats still insisted that everyone do as they're told.
Think about it, if the line had been drawn 40 years ago, and voters said "No, we won't vote for someone who is merely not as bad as the other guy. We only will vote for someone we actually WANT to vote for". Then maybe that election we would have got some shitty right winger due to low dem turnout. But the next election, the Democrats might have run someone who was actually more left leaning. But voters didn't do that, and instead they get shitty half-left democrats, and this moves the window to the right. One day that window is far enough to the right to make room for Trump. That's not only the responsibility of the Republicans dragging the window the right, that's the responsibility of Democrats refusing to ever drag the window back to the left. And that's a direct result of Democrat voters repeatedly sucking it up and voting for someone they don't really like.
I truly believe that if Kamala had been elected, the same process would repeat, the window would move further right, and the next time a Republican won it would a Trump 3.0 type figure as a result. So as bad as it is that Trump is president, given that our option was lancing the infected boil now or letting it balloon some more and get even more infected, only to be lanced in a more disastrous way later. This was the decision in the minds of those who did not support Harris - even if you think they had the wrong idea, can you at least respect their reasoning and see how it is not the sort of petty revenge that you mistakenly imagine it to be?
is what caused people not to vote for her
What caused people not to vote for her was a terminal lack of critical thinking.
This was not a confusing election. It was about as straight forward as it gets. These motherfuckers failed an open book test. They're idiots. They failed because they were uninformed and uninformed people make stupid decisions.
No factually the reason was because she wanted genocide and offered no meaningful economic reforms that are desperately needed. Try again.
So instead everyone got genocide x2, shortly maybe will be x3 of oil companies pull a Venezuelan banana republic: electric boogaloo, and a significantly worse economy with not only no reforms, but significant change in the opposite direction, siphoning orders of magnitude more money away from the working class than the status quo.
Plus you get the dissolution of unions and stripping workers of any power they have.
Plus you get out-in-the-open media centralization to become out and out propaganda machines bought and paid for by corruption and dissolution of the last remnents of independent media.
Plus you get kidnapping citizens in the streets by faceless, nameless, badgeless enforcers.
Plus you get government-sponsored lynchings
Plus you get, nationwide, women getting sick, hurt, and dying because doctors aren't allowed to treat them anymore
Plus you get multiple very corrupt white collar criminals set completely free with no consequences
Plus you get the near-total neutering of all health and disease research and public health policies
Plus you get the complete decimation of US aid to countries in need that was not through on an imperialist military
Plus you get people dying of hunger and homeless people and immigrants being arrested and used for slave labor.
Plus you get people who aren't fascists labelled as terrorist groups, arrested, and threatened
Plus you get persecution of transgender people
Plus you get pedophile government oligarchs literally out in the open human trafficking instead of behind closed doors.
Great trade off there. You guys really sent the correct message and voted to make the world a better place.
I need you to really reckon with the fact that Dems were doing and supporting all these things too.
The genocide started under and was defended by the Dems.
Venezuela has been a bipartisan target for multiple decades at this point.
The siphoning of money away from the working class is also bipartisan. Both parties are captured by corporate interests with little interest in pushing back except for a small contingent of people in power on the left.
Dems have been fighting unions just as hard as Republicans. Remember when Biden used his power to break the Railway worker strike?
Media has been consolidating under both parties.. The consolidation we are seeing today is largely driven by the need to have media cover for Israel which is bipartisan in its support.
ICE got a massive budget increase under Biden. He deported a fuck load of people too in largely just as violent ways, though ofc Trump expanded ICE to unprecedented levels the fact that it already has so much funding speaks to deportation as a bipartisan strat. Remember Obungler deported more people in his first term than Trump did. Dems love deporting immigrants.
Abortion literally was lost under Dem leadership when they had power to push to codify it as law.
White collar criminals have been getting away with everything regardless of who is in charge. Who do you think is running the corporations bribing our electeds?
US aid abroad there were some good things but often it was used as a cudgel for resource extraction and political suppression. There will be short term suffering which makes me mad but long term the boot of American empire being removed is objectively a good thing for the rest of the world. China is offering more favorable outcomes and all we'd need to do to compete is to stop being evil with our deals.
People have been living in poverty conditions all around the country for decades under both parties and neither has any appetite for the necessary economic and infrastructure reforms to fix it. The 13th amendment explicitly allows slave labor for prisoners so this is just how our country works tbh. Shipping to El Salvador is a new one but we are not averse to slave labor in the US as you seem to suggest
Dems have been calling Antifa and other anticapitalist groups terrorists and all that forever. Its just more red scare propaganda which is again just America being us.
Dems also do not care about trans people. Kamala Harris literally ran on "following the law" in regards to them in a year when historic levels of anti trans laws were being passed.
Government was always full of pedos and was geared toward oligarchs. Look at all the people on the Epstein list as associates.
Neoliberalism paved the way for our current situation, yes. But sometimes you have to take a loss to keep fighting long term. We've taken a lot of losses over the past 55 years and, unfortunately, that led to a lot of people like you saying "fuck it, I'm throwing the grenade. They need to learn the hard way." Well, sometimes you lob a grenade and it blows up in everyone's faces. Maybe we'll miraculously recover from this, but the death toll will already be paid, and that blood is partially on your hands. Because of your lack of strategic foresight.
I respect that you acknowledge my way of thinking rather than caricaturizing it. Thank you. I am still of the opinion that had the grenade not been thrown now, it would lead to situation becoming even worse next time around. This is why I say Harris would only have delayed the inevitable. It is my opinion that the death toll would have been higher and more dramatic if the issue was allowed to fester for another election cycle. I agree that sometimes you have to take a loss to keep fighting long term - it's just that to me, the current situation is that loss, and it enables us to keep fighting in the form of people like Mamdani being elected. I strongly believe that if Kamala had won, Mamdani would not have. Mamdani may actually move the window, we'll see. That's what we need.
Blood is partially on my hands indeed, but it is also on the hands of all the neoliberal voters of the last few decades by the same reasoning. If the grenade had been thrown 30 years ago, it also would have blown up, albeit less spectacularly, and that lesser blood would be on the hands of those who refused to vote out of principle that year. If the grenade had been thrown 25 years ago, it would have blown up, slightly more. 20 years ago, even more. Etc etc. This is why I believe that if we sucked it up with Kamala this time around, then we would just find ourselves with the same gambit in the future but with even higher stakes. Every election, people have said "sometimes you have to take a loss to keep fighting long term" and "THIS is the ONE election that you really can't afford to throw the grenade! That last one maybe, sure. But that's in the past now anyways. THIS is the one you have to suck it up and vote for!" And indeed it never gets better. Blood is on the voters hands either way, the only difference is if we see the toll paid immediately (making it easy to blame them) or see it delayed by decades (making it hard to connect the dots). From my perspective, the majority of blood spilled today is precisely due to the lack of strategic foresight of compromise-voters of decades past, exhibiting exactly the same mentality that called for voting for Kamala this time around. In a nutshell, I believe my mentality spills blood today, but the compromise-voting spills more blood tomorrow. I consider my ability to properly take into account a greater future cost over a present cost exactly an example of strategic thinking. So it's funny that we have an identical qualm with each other - it comes from simply a different prediction of the future.
I'm sure that this still leaves us in disagreement, but it is at least a smaller disagreement, not about strategy, intention, or even mentality - we merely have different judgements of the most likely future, which I think is a much more negligible disagreement - since predicting the future accurately is known to be difficult.
I just want you to know that all the evidence says you are correct. This thread is just liberals coping. Its pathetic.
It's so nauseating how people like you who claim to be progressive and intelligent still failed to do everything you could to stop trump. Now we're fucked. The world is fucked. And it's your fault. Of course there were valid criticisms of Harris, but once it was her or trump you fucked us all over my not supporting her 100%. And now democracy is likely over in the U.S. for the foreseeable future. The U.S. billionaires have fully taken over. The U.S. is an unabashed murderous bully in the world. It's game over, and it's your fault.
You really wanted a Nazi and you got it.
Realize that electing Harris would only have prolonged the inevitable. The movement Trump fostered was and is growing and will continue growing after he dies. There is a deep systemic problem of which Trump is a symptom, not a cause. Remember when Biden got elected? And what good has that done us now? Kamala would have simply been another delay of the reckoning that is occurring now. She would not have made actual PROGRESS in defusing the time bomb. You can say it's still better to have delayed it, but why? No lives would be saved, it would just be different lives impacted.
Try to at least engage with people who are also on the left, mind you, in an honest way rather than making strawman jokes about them. I understand why you think people should have voted for Harris, and although I disagree with your reasoning, I'm not posting thought-terminating jokes about your view, but instead trying to express a nuanced reason for why people think slightly differently. This is the kind of unity that the left must exhibit if we want any positive change to happen. I understand you're mad at people for making what you see as a bad decision, but what good comes from making fun of them for it now? It only creates division.
Of course those on the left should still work together. Thats the point. But if you didn't vote for Harris, or bad-talked her once she was the only option to trump, then you fucked us all. Now we have trump, who will ignore laws, break conventions, destroy democracy completely in the U.S. Game over, we've lost. All because you didn't work together when it counted. Fuck you and your 'at least engage with other people on the left'. There's no point now. You blew it. And now we will be suffering for generations.
I doubt the maga movement survived the death of trump. It will balkanize without him.
I hope you're right, but from my perspective all the important and bad parts of the movement existed well before Trump. Trump assumed the position at the head of the movement after the fact. All this evil was festering in the country even back when Trump still called himself a Democrat and wasn't involved in politics at all. His death will certainly be a blow and destabilize them for a bit, but the fact is that about 30% of the country is extremely xenophobic, extremely racist, extremely uneducated, very bigoted, very religious fundamentalist - And they do a lot better job of getting along with each other than everyone else. All you need to hang with that club is to say something like "fucking mexicans, right?" or even just wear your church hoodie. Trump is a good vessel to channel their energy, but they were doing a pretty good job actionably directing their energy themselves long ago. They have like 8 different options for figures to rally around next. The left has maybe Bernie, AoC, Mamdani, but can't even agree on that. The left has no beloved podcasters, no beloved billionaires, no beloved news agencies. It's an asymmetric battle because the right is intrinsically the establishment. Only real underdogs need rallying figures, but the right is only ever a faux underdog.
There is no guarantee any trump like figure would have been as destructive as trump especially with 4 more years to shore up democracy
Shit take after the kidnapping of Maduro lol, but yeah you're right I'm sure Kamala woulda done the same thing, funneling all state funding into ICE gestapo and had her sights on Greenland too foh
I would like those on the left to acknowldege they fucked up, and to actually do something instead of calling those of us who actually did vote "fascist enablers."
Biden started a lot of things that would have built this country better. You can’t blame him when the next guy seems to run on “reverse everything Biden did”
Brother the libs are incensed in this thread. Its funny poking the hornets nest and seeing all the same talking points with zero self reflection. I respect you being in the trenches but its prob a waste of time
We got peasant brain mentality going terminal in this thread.
It's not about libs. Have you paid any attention to the monumental damage trump is doing to the U.S., and to the world? He could have been stopped but the likes of you had to be morons about it. Now it's too late, and we're all fucked. You were so stupid and deserved all the vitriol thrown at you.
Trump is not an aberration to our system what are you on about? Trump is literally a natural byproduct of our political system.
You know how he could have been stopped? Meaningful progressive legislation decades ago to right some of the largest issues in our nation. How is this not obvious to you? Obama literally could have diverted course from this but the Dems have no political will to make things better. They don't give a fuck about you or me they only care about their donors.
The Dems offer no meaningful push back to anything the Republicans do not because they are bad (they are tho) but because its not in the interests of those padding their wallets. They move in the direction they are paid to move in which is to say more to the right every election.
Kamala Harris ran on a more conservative platform than fucking George W Bush 20 years ago. Does that mean nothing to you?
You really think Harris would be just as bad as Trump : invading Venezuela, threatening Greenland and Canada, all those tariffs, alienating allies, putting military in cities to support ice, shutting down pbs, blocking elections, destroying environmental protections, etc. the list goes on and on. Come on, you can't really be that ignorant.
I think we would have been doing a lot of these same exact things with different optics. Trump likes making things a show she would have navigated a lot of these things more quietly. It wouldn't have been one to one but I guess my whole point is that she would have offered nothing meaningful to divert us from a course where Trump would happen anyway. We have posturing against Venezula for decades I'm sure there would have been sanctions against them like how we do with Cuba - we've already tried to do regime change like this more than once. The tariffs were kind of uniquely stupid but again we would have done similar things under the Dems to posture against China, Iran, Russia, etc etc - more targeted and less stupidly done. ICE I actually think the national guard getting called in would have happened either way - Biden fuckin juiced the shit out of ICE while he was in power Kamala would have done the same if she won to sate the right wing base she was catering to. And tbh as the empire collapses more the violence turning inward is more and more of a given because that's just kinda how these things work as imperial powers weaken and falter. Kamala Harris was in favor of deregulating fraking laws so she's also shitty on the environment at the behest of oil companies - I got no faith she wouldn't capitulate elsewhere too.
Why did Trump get elected? Because the Dems offered nothing of substance that people saw as something that would change their lives for the better. Trump did offer those things. He lied about it but he offered something at least as terrible as it is. Short of actual economic reform policies there is nothing getting us off this path to fascism and I mean policies like a Bernie or better, not small grants to first time house buyers.
Obviously you are stuck in your argument. It's very clear to most intelligent people that although Harris was hardly progressive, she would not have been so extreme. She would have pushed back on Israel at least for the sake of maintaining support from the progressive dems in the house. She wouldn't have egged Israel on publically like trump. By your own reconning, Trump did things worse even if you think Harris had the same general crappy plans. But I do not believe Harris would be threatening NATO countries' sovereignty. The world is currently realigning away from the US because of the tariffs and general insanity of trump. Under Harris we also wouldn't see the persecution of trans people being encouraged by the White House.
So they're not the same. Trump is worse. Failing to vote for Harris helped install Trump. And that made things worse. There is no up side.
I'm not stuck in my argument I acknowledge that both parties are captured by capital interests and as such these outcomes are inevitable. Neither the Dems or Republicans have any interest in reigning in corporate power both foreign and domestic. Corporations are driving these interests - who gets rich when we go to war? Who wants oil captured abroad? Etc etc. These are policies that both sides are in lock step on the only difference is the optics in execution.
This is my issue with the push back. It fundamentally misses the point that out political system is designed to pump out these outcomes. Trump is a logical outcome. He is THE logical outcome. Kamala Harris was advocated for nothing that would change that dynamic she would only have slowed things ever so slightly. I can only forecast how things would have been based on her campaign promises - she would have continued the trend of not providing meaningful polices that would help the economic standing of the average person. No meaningful healthcare reform, no student loan relief, no infrastructure promises. All she promised was war and genocide. She promised to "follow the law" with trans people as a historic number of anti trans bills were being passed. She promised to have "the most lethal military". She promised more endless billions to Israel as she had been helping run cover for their genocide.
If fascism was such an issue why did Kamala Harris run on a "fascism is bad but I offer no solutions for the conditions that lead to it" campaign? Surely if winning was so important she'd have taken all the data suggesting she was running a terrible campaign and course corrected no? No she doesn't believe in making this country better she believes in further entrenching us in the violent systems of oppression that we all deserve to be free of.
US empire is bad. Supporting it and pushing it further is bad. Realignment away from the US is objectively a good thing for the vast majority of the world. The US wields our influence with oppression and violence worldwide. USAID every project was a way to strong arm countries who need aid because of the devastation western imperialism has wrought on their lands and resources. A multipolar would where the US is unable to act the impunity it does would be better - and no the UN and NATO do not constitute this because both of those are thinly veiled extensions of US power.
I'm not stuck in my argument I have a better sense for the material reality of our systems and the actors within than you do idk what else to say. Whoever you are getting your analysis from has an agenda they are selling you.
What a garbage-ass take.
Enjoy your cope, hero.
Enjoy voting for Dems the rest of your life and being confused why nothing gets better. One day you'll get some of those brain cells moving together. Even liberals can learn.
Enjoy choking on your idealism and criticizing others for not sitting on their hands as effectively as you do. I’ll stick with pragmatism over dogmatism.
Its always funny when do nothing libs project the fact that they do nothing to change society. Good on though. I'll continue to fight for you even tho you clearly love being victim to capitalism lol I'm not one to kink shame.
Have fun sitting on your hands and attacking people for advocating for progress, you regressive chud.
You literally voted for genocide, more war abroad, and fascist immigration laws. I'm the regressive though. Lol
I voted for less shit on the sandwich, because the options were shit sandwich or very large shit sandwich. To pretend there were good options is fucking stupid and ignoring blatant reality so you can jerk off your ego. You voted for nothing. You did nothing. You rolled over like a dog, exactly as you were told to do. If your voice doesn’t matter to you then why the fuck should it matter to anyone else?
I am the dog because I voted for the state sanctioned options that were forced down my throat? Ok dude. You're literally trying to convince me to continue to cuck myself to a system that is killing us but sure I am the dog of the state. Terminal rectal cranial inversion here.
You don’t have any other options, you fucking dolt. This is what I mean by useless fucking delusional idealist. Not making the choice is rolling over, that’s specifically why the GOP didn’t want you to vote, and you complied. Regardless of your delusions of “free will” or whatever the fuck, we are locked into this system no matter how much we hate it. All you are doing is playing pretend and getting in the way. You’re out of your fucking element.
Do you condemn the genocide that Israel is committing in Gaza?
Yep. And I also voted for Harris, because I'm not a fucking idiot.
I didn’t ask you, I asked the other guy who is unwilling to say the same thing you just said.
I certainly do. I condemn all genocides. And I hate all violence. Harris wasn't any where strong enough against Israel, but if she had been she would have probably lost even more of the vote. Regardless, she was way better than trump even on that one issue - let alone pretty much every other issue. And now we're stuck with trump, probably the end of democracy in the U.S. and generational damage being done to the U.S. and the world. All because of moronic idiots like you.
Good thing you saved Gaza by not voting!
Who says I didn’t vote? You idiots just love to argue against piles of straw and feel like you’re accomplishing great things.
It's their only argument, so they must repeat it.
Hey I voted too, for Harris in California. Didn't do much but I did.
But instead they just get mad when you tell them you can vote for someone and call them out. Like they said we could in 2016, 2020, 2024. And then got mad at us for doing it.
Nope. If you voted for Harris and didn't dissuade others from doing the same then that's great. Of course you should push for more progressive options and get involved. It's the idiots that didn't vote for Harris because she 'wasn't good enough' and ended up allowing trump to destroy the country that are the idiots that deserve all the vitriol they are getting.
I called her bad policies out but still voted for her, I used my 1st amendment rights and my 14th amendment rights. Some people disliked me for using them, while they used the same rights. It's the country we live in.
Personally I chose not to vote for her for being in support of her fascist border bill oh and the genocide. But ya keep saying this kind of inane bullshit if it helps you cope.
Edit: you gotta love when genocidal liberals just decide to offer up their worst takes on a platter
Yeah, and were much better off because of your actions.
The whole world will be better off when the American empire collapses, our clear conscience over your genocidal comfort any day.
our clear conscience over your genocidal comfort any day.
Spoken like a true dipshit loser.
"Herp derp, I actually hope my nation collapses so I don't have to grow a brain and stop being a single issue voter and put my grievances to the side in order to prevent a nation from collapsing and millions of innocent people from suffering under an authoritarian dumbfuck who violates our Constitutional rights. My clear conscience is worth more than other people's lives."
You are a world class stupid fuck. Go fuck yourself, scumfuck.
Not sure how you have a clear conscience when you enabled a fascist.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I reject your assertion, but I'll humor you.
The whole world will be better off
That's how. Net positive for the world.
You wanted a net positive for you and yours when you declared genocide is not a red line. I want a net positive for all humanity, and humanity will move past the dead American empire.
I reject your assertion
I reject your dumbfuckery.
Net positive for the world.
Yeah kiddo, a nation whose economy is integral to global welfare, with military installations all over the globe, coming under the control of an authoritarian regime, is a net positive for the world.
How the absolute fuck did you become this stupid?
You sound like some dumbfuck edgelord preteen who just found out politics exists.
You can reject my assertion all you want.
It doesn't change reality. You enable fascists.
Whatever else you have to say is effectively useless because you are in effect a fascist yourself for enabling one.
Congrats, you've played yourself.
You stupid fucking idiot.
Preach brother. These liberals love claiming to be pro freedom as long as they command the boot of empire.
Always blaming the voters never actually holding your electeds to any sort of standard. If you voted for someone supporting genocide I kindly discard your opinion thanks :)
This is the stupidity that brought Trump to power. You are responsible for everything he does as president. Congratulations.
Trump is a symptom of the apathy of the likes of you. You don't think people outside the US are human.
Wtf u talking about?
Liberals like this can't be reasoned with they are stuck in their own little bubble thinking if only they vote harder they can get that change they want. They are stuck fighting for their meaningless existence as an independent actor free of the shackles of others to the detriment of the collective action they desperately need but view with such disdain.
And somehow, you've convinced yourself that doing nothing will change things for the better.
What a crock of shit lmao
How does voting for the same people with the same inane politics that don't benefit you at all help?
It feels like you haven't thought about it at all. I encourage you to do that painful as it might be.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Also I love that y'all never have any substantive response just shit flinging. Deeply unserious and makes you look like a moron to anyone but those who lack any kind of knowledge at all (such as yourself based on your responses).
Also laughable you think I am doing nothing. I'm an extremely active member of local organizing groups in my area. Last year we got legislation protecting transgender people passed and we've bolstered our rapid response network for combating ICE among other things.
What are you doing?
Hey try again with an actual argument! I know liberals really struggle with making arguments founded in reality but I'm sure you can try a little harder. I believe in you!
Man liberals do love being causally homophobic huh. Nice dude. You really got me. Lmao
To not understand how constant capitulation to capitalist interests has led to where we are (on both sides this is uniparty) speaks to your extremely myopic understanding of the world. Try again.
And among the other things you've done, you've helped to fund ICE, you've helped to increase healthcare costs for millions of americans, you've helped destabilize venezuela
This is not shit flinging. This is the reality of not voting. You have enabled these things to happen.
I know what I did. I tried to help avoid these things.
You sure as fuck did not.
See this is the same idiotic line of reasoning that leads us to having ever worse political candidates. It not the party's fault for having dogshit warmonger candidates who want to further entrench corporate oligarchy in the US its the people who don't want to vote for that!
So fucking stupid dude why are you so hellbent on being a willing cuck to the system that fucking hates you and wants you dead?
How you are not mad at the Dems for not running all the most popular policies that would have slam dunk won the election is crazy lmao. It's loser shit and speaks to how servile you are to the systems that be.
Also just FYI if every person who didn't vote (I did vote BTW just not for Kamala or Trump) voted for Kamala she still lost so your argument doesn't even make sense. Also the number one reason why people didnt vote for her was Gaza and the second was the economy. What do you think this means about how she should have run her campaign if she wanted to win?
When the opposing ticket to milquetoast is literal fascism, i will vote milquetoast every day of the fucking week.
You wouldnt though, youd rather have the fascism.
You can justify your shitty actions all you want, but reality is still reality.
If you can't see how we've been doing this for 50 years and that's led us directly to Trump then I'm sorry you gotta go do some more work and try to think some more. Don't hurt yourself.
And when trump finally got here, you said:
you know what? Im gonna help this guy get in.
Hit me with an actual coherent argument and I'll engage. If all you got is substanceless name calling I think it speaks to the vapidity of your position. Lmao
Damn really showing me what progessive values look like huh?
One day you'll wake up and be done getting railed by your overlords. Or maybe you like have no say in your life in any meaningful way? Who am I to judge servile piggies if they wanna roll in the mud where they belong?
Every rebuttal to anything I said is just "nuh uh ur dumb". What a disappointment.
If you didn't vote for Harris, you enabled Trump. It's really that simple.
At a national level, the winner of any given election will be the Republican or the Democrat. There literally is no other choice.
The last time a 3rd party candidate even came close was Ross Perot in 1992, and he won exactly 0 states.
Prior to that? George Wallace, 1968, who captured the "I really want Nixon, but man, he's just not racist enough!" vote. He won 5 states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_United_States_presidential_election
Outside that? 3rd parties hover around 1%, 3%, on a really good day maybe 5%.
So you can choose to help a candidate you like or you can choose to hurt a candidate you don't like.
Voting 3rd party only hurts the mainstream candidate closest to your position and helps the one farther from your opinion.
So what do we do to fix all this?
#1 - Get 100% vote by mail in every state. We saw what a difference it made in 2020.
#2 - Endorse progressive candidates at the local level and vote them up the chain. Mamdani is a great start in New York, let's see what he does then move him up to Congress or the Senate. He'll never make President because he's not a native born citizen, but how far up can he go?
#3 - The poison is first past the post elections, that needs to change, but as we saw in 2024, people are incredibly resistant to changing it. People voted it down, and in elections where it was used, voters skipped those votes.
https://stateline.org/2024/11/14/ranked-choice-voting-faces-cloudy-future-after-election-setbacks/
Ranked choice was on the ballot in multiple states + Washington D.C. Only D.C. passed it.
Portland used it for a city election and one district saw a 20% drop in votes:
https://www.opb.org/article/2024/12/17/why-portlands-district-1-voter-participation-lagged-other-districts-in-first-election-using-ranked-choice-voting/
I hear you but this argument is stupid because I can just flip it and say "any vote for a third party supports Harris" if I was a Trump guy.
The fact of the matter is even if every person who voted like I did (I voted for PSL not afraid to admit it) voted for Harris she still loses because she ran such a dogshit and unpopular campaign that missed every single thing people were screaming out for.
It doesn't though thanks to the nature of first past the post elections. 😉
In this case you have a fascist candidate and non-fascist candidate. Any vote that fails to go to the non-fascist helps the fascist.
This is why all the Russian bots were like "But... but... Jill Stein..."
Who never had a chance except in drawing votes away from Harris.
Then you have the absolute morons going "I aint voting because both sides are the same!"
Really? So Harris would have rolled the National Guard into LA, Portland and Chicago? Would have attacked Venezuela? Would be threatening Mexico, Columbia and frickin Greenland? LOL.
Both sides are NOT the same, and you have to vote down the insane side of US politics or else they win.
Again you're making the same baseless argument here. I agree that FPTP is a blight on our politics because both sides really ARE the same on about 90% of issues - the difference is always just messaging and optics.
Harris would have 100% sanctioned Venezuela like we do Cuba. That's incredibly violent as an action. Not an outright military attack but it would be a wholesale attack on their entire economy which is usually just as devastating - it's how we do much of our control around the world.
Harris was in favor of the violent crackdowns of speech during the protests for both BLM and Palestine. She was in support of the expansion of ICE under Biden. I have every expectation that she would remain consistent and pressure governors to crack down on those protests - not directly activating them but the exact same end result.
Mexico as a nation run by people ostensibly sympathetic to socialist policy also would become a target by our nation. Rest assured we will not allow for a nation neighboring us to implement policies that will agitate our population against the powers that be without trying to strong arm them into submission in whatever direction we deem appropriate. Dems and Republicans are the same on any anti capitalist shit.
Both sides ARE the same for every issue that matters to YOU in your day to day life.
Healthcare, education, infrastructure, social welfare, corporate deregulation, support for our two tier labor system via the perpetually broken immigration system, imperial control abroad, use of proxy states to enforce our national goals, support of genocide, regime change. I could go on. All of these things they hold nearly IDENTICAL positions on and just about every outcome politically can be derived from these similarities. What are they ostensibly different on? Identity politics. That's about it and even then they have moved precipitously in the direction of converging on a lot of those - both parties are pro capitalist, both pro persecution of anti fascist groups, both are throwing trans people to the wolves.
Everything that Trump is doing today are things that were already happening on smaller scales, it's interesting to me how people just conveniently act like Trump manifested all these evils into the world rather than the reality which is he just turned the dial to 11 on things we are already doing at a 9.
Classic liberals going straight for slurs when they have nothing of substance. Gimme an argument or fuck off tbh. Can you make a coherent argument? I'd like to see you try if you can do it without commit bodily harm to yourself.
Idk man you are the one who keeps redacting part of your speech where you want to tell me to kill myself because you're too removedmade to just own your vile beliefs.
Edit: Actually you know what it seems its an automated thing. Not that that makes you sound any less stupid.
Sorry I have a shred of morality to stand on and am not happy just signing off on genocide.
How you look at our political system and how utterly broken it is devoid of any substantive connection to the will of the people and blame ME speaks to both the level of depravity and patent refusal to grapple with the material realities of our world that liberalism is unfit to deal with.
How you look at two candidates who promise endless war and destruction with no plan to make the lives of those suffering at home better and then blame me for saying both are disgusting and will lead to many of the same results baffles me.
If you think Kamala Harris would have been different on Gaza you are braindead. If you think she would have been less gungho for deportation (Biden increased ICE a fuck load because he likes deporting people so much and remember Kamala Harris was just more Biden based on her entire campaign) you are braindead. If you think we wouldn't have bombed Iran or attacked Venezuela in some way you are braindead.
The fact of the matter is Kamala Harris had an easy path to victory if she only actually catered her messaging to people who are suffering in this country. Instead of leaning into incredibly popular progessive policy she decided (as dems always do) to go to the center to peal off people from the right because God forbid we try the policies that work anywhere else in the world.
The audacity of bloodthirsty liberals looking down on others with a backbone. Here is a line that I'm sure will make your little brain explode. Trump is president in no small part because of how awful Obama was as a president.
Sorry I have a shred of morality
Well that's good, because you've got a below room temperature IQ. So hold on tight to that shred of morality. I'm sure it's the only shred you have left after helping to empower fascists.
Why are all the dumbest motherfuckers on Lemmy from .ml? Go back to your pathetic circlejerk and leave the thinking to people with brains.
Yeah because y'all liberals are doin a bang up job. What a joke.
You could just tell me you like seeing Muslims get murdered rather trying to make it seem like anything else.
If you'll vote for genocide you'll vote for anything. Sorry I've actually educated myself and have a shred of humanity still lol
Also as usual y'all got no smoke other than name calling. Typical small brained liberal take tbh.
I'm reduced to name calling because it's game over. Done. We lost. You fucked us all over. Democracy is gone. The world is in a downwards spiral. That's on you. So fuck you.
Also brother if you think we live in a democracy. If you ever thought it was meant to represent you...the founders of our country disagree. They made our constitution undemocratic on purpose because of how much they hated poors.
Ok then, so you're fine with it going full dictator / fascist?
...no? What?
My point is its always been a game for the rich to fight the poor and our political candidates perpetuate it. Both parties in our government are anti the average person and are only pro big corporations (i.e. rich people who own them). A fascist dictator is the logic conclusion of both party's ideology because for both the base rational is neoliberalism. Capital inevitably consolidates power unchecked and neither party has any interest in regulation. Hence this outcome is inevitable short of having someone willing to push the policies the average person needs.
We need a wholesale redo on the constitution it is an old shitty doc made by rich assholes to protect rich assholes.
Naw its namecalling because you have no logical arguments to make. Its just vibes. Loser shit. Lmao.
Yeah, you're an idiot; you've already made that clear. You can want more progressive leadership - and I agree with that, but given the choice, you supported trump and the speed run to fascism, insane global bullying, corruption and support of pedophiles. That's on you and now we're fucked.
How am I an idiot? Can you make coherent points as to why things would he so different under Kamala?
Have you not been paying any god damned attention the things Trump has been doing? I mean, we know you’re stupid, but are you genuinely that fucking stupid that you think things would be exactly as they are now if Kamala was in office? Of course it wouldn’t be a socialist utopia, but do you honestly believe that Kamala would have kidnapped a head of state as part of a hostile government regime change or put blatant propaganda in schools? Are you really that fucking smothered in your own idiocy and delusion?
You don’t have political views, all you have is a dogma.
Always blaming the voters never actually holding your electeds to any sort of standard.
WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ELECTED THEM!?!?!?!?!
If you voted for someone supporting genocide I kindly discard your opinion thanks :)
Sorry, I don't speak "Dumbfuck Single Issue Voter". Could you repeat that again in English?
Why do you blame voters for not voting for a dogshit candidate and not the dogshit candidates? Why not blame the Democratic party and its refusal to allow an actual primary to allow a person who actually represents the will of the people?
What a laughably childish line of reasoning you have here. How does voting for more genocide and war and deregulation make your life any better? How does supporting that system uncritically help you?
It doesn't. Go read some books and educate yourself just a little bit before contributing such useless pablum next time.
Also wild that my issue is GENOCIDE. Like just tell me you like murdering brown people and move on dude. Lmao
But trump is way WORSE on the genocide issue. Can you be more moronic?
Can you point me to policy that makes you believe he's worse? Biden started the genocide and defended it vehemently. Kamala Harris lied about them working on a peace deal for 2 years. Why am I supposed to believe she would be better when all indicators suggests she is just as pro Israel as Trump?
Congrats, you're a fucking idiot and now a felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist is your president and he's currently crashing your economy, violating your Constitutional rights, filling the ranks of government and the military with loyalists, ending allegiances, invading other countries, and threatening to invade more.
P.S. You're a fucking moron single issue dipshit voter. Go back to school. And fuck yourself.
Its funny to me that you think we weren't doing all of these things under the Dems. Like actually hilarious to me. Biden presided over a fuckin genocide man. US foreign policy is uniparty my friend - Kamala and Trump ran on the exact same platform in that regard.
Because Kamala wanted less taxes for the rich, more war with Iran, more genocide, more restrictions on rights (immigration is a big one).
I know you think Muslims aren't people (it's the only way you could possibly hold this position) so respectfully why the fuck do I care what a souless husk such as yourself says?
Kamala did not want to win or she would have actually run the campaign everyone was begging her to run to actually win.
You effectively supported trump who ramped up support for the genocide. Seems like it's you who wants brown people dead. It was Trump that actually attacked Iran and fucked over the nuclear deal. Harris and Trump are no where near the same. All of Trump's actions are your fault - you own it. Stop trying to weasel out of it.
You really haven't been paying attention. Kamala literally ran on half the policies Trump is doing now and was posturing to ramp up imperialist action abroad just like Trump.
If you think Kamala Harris wouldn't have bombed Iran in the exact same fashion as Trump I really question your ability to critically think about how the US maintains (or historically maintained) its power geopolitically.
I'll give you a hint its not with peace.
What are your arguments for why they would be so different because both her campaign and history itself disagree with you. Like please I'd like to have a rational conversation if you can muster up some logical points.
She didn’t even know if she was black or Indian.
God forbid there's people who consider themselves biracial. CHOOSE A SIDE. /s
I don't even know if you possess a brain or just shit inside your skull.
Just fucking sad....
It's getting really dreary checking international news.
It is a gut punch sometimes.
That nails it. Those were the words I was looking for. It's either you read something like that or something else just going deeper in a direction you're reluctantly becoming numb to.
Fred Rodgers looking from heaven: "I'm not mad, neighbor, I'm just disappointed."
Damn this is just terrible. 3 years left to go of this foolishness.
Oh my sweet summer child... You think they're going to give up power at this point? That is not what fascists do.
There's only one solution to fascists, and it can happen naturally after 50+ years, or the 1940's method.
Can we fast forward to the bunker part?
We have nukes if we build concentration camps in America those interred shall never be freed by liberating forces
I still have a small amount of hope people are going to put their foots up his ass at some point. Only so far people can be pushed.
3 yearsThe rest of your life left to go of this foolishness.
Nah, we’ll all be dead before this bullshit is sorted.
Republicans "Ending Taxpayer Subsidization of Biased Media" are somehow proud of gutting CPB, which helped fund "biased" media such as:
- Sesame Street
- Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
- Arthur
- American Experience
- Frontline
- American Masters
- PBS NewsHour
- Washington Week
- Great Performances
- Masterpiece theator
- and programming for THOUSANDS of other local and regional media
Quoth the maligned, "Nevermore."
Sesame Street had a bit making fun of Trump a long while back, and even worse these programs are educational. You know damned well they are proud of it.
They also are multiracial and also have a long history of having LGBTQ guests. Stuff the (R) love to hate.
Oh my god, you mentioned LGBTQ. Stop trying to make me gay!
Imagine how much worse things are going to get when Americans are even more stupid than they already are.
Pathetic.
At this point America and North Korea are like two sides of the same coin.
But the goal is to make it to the same side of the same coin.
Mister Rogers is spinning fast enough in his grave to power the entire Eastern seaboard.
The GOP is the Great Filter. Their backwards ideology must be eradicated or we don't get starfaring civilization status.
This is a tragedy
This is hell and we’re only at about level 2 or 3.
Hey, if you voted for this would you please eat some shit?
The comment section on Deadline is infested with some sort of disgusting cockroaches
I get the sense there are a lot of accelerationists in this thread. Of course, the accelerationists are never the ones personally impacted by their actions. I wish I had all that privilege to cosplay as a revolutionary
I concur...
I enjoy a lot of PBS and NPR programs, but it is weird AF to me that people want the government to subsidize the media.
- The job of the media is to hold the government to account. They can't do that if they're funded by the government.
- If people appreciate this media, they can pay for it, like they already do with their tax dollars. I see no reason why people need to be taxed so we can have NPR.
Gotta get all that media to have corporate sponsorship and be filled with ads “for the children”
- The job of the media is to hold the government to account. They can’t do that if they’re funded by the government.
Can't do that either if the government is bought by corpos, and the media is also owned by corpos. Although I suppose that it's kind of strange they didn't co-opt PBS and NPR into spreading propaganda for them instead of just shutting it down. I guess they have enough of that already.
The job of the media is to hold the government to account. They can’t do that if they’re funded by the government.
Yes, and the fact that the current administration shut them down is proof that you can be (partially) tax funded and still be critical.
If people appreciate this media, they can pay for it, like they already do with their tax dollars. I see no reason why people need to be taxed so we can have NPR.
People with cars can pay for their streets themselves. If they love their streets so much, they'd just pay for them. There's absolutely no reason for a government to provide infrastructure. Or is there?
Yeah gotta give all that 'welfare' to amazon and big oil. With a little bit to farmers to not grow crops.