Fuck it then.

Just an investor. Not a designer. Rich people throw money at things to get more money.

I couldn't find anything on that, do you have a source?

EU flag

yeah, but they are still European though

Council of Europe, homie. The UK is still a member of that, so can use that flag.

Isn’t it also called white label?

There is no phone that’s 100% Chinese or American tech anyway. Like RAM and storage comes from Korea, often the camera sensor from Japan, the lens is designed in Germany and the CPU is based on ARM’s architecture designs and ARM is from the UK.

@whaleross @RmDebArc_5 Nothing founder is Taiwan I think that lived some time in Sweden, it is not Swedish in any sense of the word. Brittish though but all manufacturing is in China as everything else

Jolla manufactures in Turkey through its partnership with reeder

Just like Apple is an Irish one 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

So IKEA is Dutch?

Lol a UK company with 0% of their product made in the UK, it is literally just a marketing office.

I just hate how bulky most c connectors are and feel like that they break more easily because of that.

Right, there are cheap usb-c headphone now lol. Really no reason not to have high quality headphones with their own dedicated high end DAC

There is this kind of audiophile that pretends that USB DAC's are better anyways

(They arent, for normal headphones)

Many of these are likely just rebranded products, not their own development.

Are they manufactured in Europe, though, or just another chinese smartphone with an OS that's not Android or iOS?

other phones are cheaper mostly due to economies of scale, though. like, idk, china makes a few million phones at once, while in europe they make, what, a few thousand phones at once?

Their website says it ships with an OS “based on android”.

Edit: oh, I see, it has multiple options.

Have you looked at Sony? Their phones used to be more narrow, iirc.

Are you Donald Trump?

I need to buy a new phone and my criteria is basically yours, plus having a good camera. I would go for the FP6 but as I was checking a review video, the camera is not very good... Do you have by any chance any recommendations?

This was announced the other day and might interest you (it's American): https://www.clicksphone.com/en/communicator

Yeah, sounds pretty nice. But as you guessed, my definition of "good" includes official Lineageos support or similar, which it does not seem to have. Or has someone tried a GSI rom with it?

A subjective matter, surely. Currently I have a Samsung S10 at 6.1" and I find it uncomfortably big at times. If you compare the FP6 with the FP3, they don't actually differ in body size that much because the FP3 had a way lower screen-to-body ratio, therefore they might seem very similar when holding in hand. With phones nowadays mostly having that huge screen-to-body ratio, bigger screens are one the one hand easier to fit in a smaller device, but at the other hand, the phones themselves also seem to get bigger and bigger. Try going on the lineageos device overview site and filter for phones in the last 5 years under 6", that's what i mean.

It’s more private than the Android version it ships with but not more secure

Usually this isn’t an issue though, depends on your threat model of course

Doesn't seem very secure to me: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Not only the play store is needed. You need to install an special package with the whole of Google services, often while in recovery/download mode.

But, to answer/illustrate your question, as a matter of fact, you can install Play store apps even without Play store. Aurora store is an app that connects to the Google servers too get you the very same apks. That's when you realize, after installed the banking app, that it starts bitching about the Google services missing. "This app was designed to run with Google Play Services, and cannot operate without it". And poof, it auto closes in your face.

Google Play and Google Play Services are separate things. Google Play allows you to download apps, whereas Google Play Services provides the foundation that most apps are built to run on top of.

You can download apps from google play or equivalent stores, but google play services is built into the device.

The de-googled version of play services is microG. It provides many of the same API services for most apps, but can't do the security things that banking apps request.

FYI a lot of bank apps require Google attestation which community android roms don’t have.

No need to be so demeaning about it. Extra so when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I just use Firefox on Linux for online banking

A bank would go bankrupt here if they only had an ios app.

holy shit, thats expensive for the 30 minutes it takes to install grapheneOS. with their web interface i would even trust my parents to not fuck up the installation of graphene.

and if i had a threat model which involves disoldering sensors, microphones, etc i wouldnt trust them as a source. not because nitrokey is untrustworthy. just because atleast in my mind almost nobody is trustworthy enough.

edit: just to be clear, no shade towards nitrokey. i just dont see the targeted customer base.

Sadly yes.

I'm really in no hurry to give Google ever money again. But whenever my current Pixel irrepairably dies i will probably just get another used Pixel and flash Graphene on it. I can really get behind the spirit to get european made phones instead. But atleast for now they all come with too much compromises in one way or another.

GrapheneOS is always looking out for a potential phone they can migrate to, since Google has stopped publishing the device trees for the Pixels. While they currently support the Pixels anyway, it is a long term goal for them to be on an independent platform.

I don't know who Murena is, but I appreciate you sharing this with me! I will definitely look into them! Do they just go by Murena or do they have a Merchant front with a different name?

I thought about doing it, but the prices for parts and importing them was my reasoning to stop because of the tariffs and the already high price of the product. But I might give it a go once I run out of parts for my Pixel 4A 5g or the LineageOS maintainer stops working on it.

They are headquartered in Finland

HMD is founded by a former Nokia exec called Jean-Francois Baril. A French man. And the company is operated out of Finland. So if HMD is Chinese, because they manufacture in China, then every phone maker is Chinese.

I may be missing it, but I see no evidence that they are Chinese, other than using Foxconn manufacturing.

Or, simply don't create value for used pixel devices by not buying them. Buying used phones of one brand will make it's resell value for up. People like new phones with a good resell value, people buy those phones. Buying a used pixel gives money to Google.

Depends on what kind of company you work at. Most companies I know would just be: you need a phone, go buy one and give us a receipt.

Not all companies are big tech, and most companies likely can not afford the added cost of spying on employees.

Good thing is that I went to the store and bought it myself with the company card. My phone has never been in their possession nor are they monitoring what I do on it or on my pc (because same thing there)

Only FP4 has decent support. Newer models have broken features, like WiFi and audio.

Yep, I took from the official gov.br website, here is the link: https://www.gov.br/receitafederal/pt-br/assuntos/aduana-e-comercio-exterior/manuais/remessas-postal-e-expressa/calculadora-versao-iii/calculadora.html

About the countries: Every country has this taxes to import, except from deals in certains products.

That why we want the deal with EU so we can buy tecnology without this shit, and sell our goods as well to get rid of depending from USA

Yo. Take a short while. The Installation is actually very simple and I have been surprised how fast I was actually done

I was unsure, I thought maybe they were bought.

It's so sad they didn't cought up with the smartphone development, their out-of-the-box thinking and daring designs is what we miss in the current market. They used to be the market leaders.

Now it's all glass planks with a bunch of cameras, biggest difference is the amount of bloatware pre-installed and the amount of AI slop integration.

We need the Nokia vision back!

Other than being a little slow, what pain? It was £15 second hand but unused. I just install stuff from APKs or f-droid. Mainly use: Web browser, VLC, steamlink, comaps and termux.

@phonics Interesting, mine are doing okay so far. 😐 I haven't noticed any battery fade on my CMF Buds 2, eight months in 🤞

If you need a basic smartphone and aren't too picky, then you can get unlocked new for that.

A fair number of Moto G models go unlocked, new for under $200.

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I know all of that. I also use a car, even though it contributes to climate change. I also eat fried potatoes, even though they are carcinogenic. I drink whiskey and rum, even though ethanol is carcinogenic, too.

I am not proud of it. But I am just trying to survive somehow.

Some are discovered.

Like Keanu's name was discovered by explorers who found his sarcophagus, and upon opening it, Keanu sat up and said, "Hi, I'm Keanu, could you close the lid for 5 more minutes, then give me loke 10 minutes to shave and get dressed--is black still in style?--then we can hang out." And then he was ready to hang out just 8 minutes later because he couldn't get back to sleep, was a pro at competitive level shaving, and black was still in style. When asked where his name came from, Keanu just shrugged and said it was already here when he arrived and that it's up to everyone to decide for themselves where his name came from.

Technically - yes. But claiming that in the current context is silly.

Like.. what I mean is pretty clear

A phone name Vivalapivo would fit this list