As a millennial, we've been afraid of this scenario so long I think we can finally let it go.
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I never thought I'd see a POTUS consider denaturalising US citizens as well so you'd hope they won't draft you but I wouldn't discount it. Cannon fodder is always necessary especially if you're not white or MAGA.
This scene was always hilarious because we thought it could never happen… But given everything that this administration has done so far, it seems more like a prediction…
https://youtu.be/AQnEBSwdAXw
Thought it could never happen? That sort of shit happened several times in past wars.
And yet we never thought it could happen... Food for not thinking about.
This 2nd term he showed what he thinks of his MAGA base.
At least my death after I'm drafted in the wars over oil will raise the share price of the Military-Industrial Complex shareholders, bless them 🙏🙏🙏
RTX and General Dynamics thank you for your service. 🙏
I’ll kill half a dozen cops or MP’s or die trying if they try to forcibly deploy me before I do a single goddamn thing for Trumps Military.
If somehow I’m deployed against my wishes my first action is to make a white flag out of my underwear, surrender to whoever they deploy me against, and share as much intelligence as I have (probably 0 but who cares).
This isn’t some power fantasy by the way, I don’t want to hurt anyone.
As a european, chances are if my country is being invaded, it's either by Russia og USA. If I'm gonna have to defend my country it will absolutely not be through the military. Conventional warfare against a greater foe is just a really good way of getting killed.
Either civil disobediance or terrorist attacks like the IRA is more my style.
Terorist attacks implies that your town is already occupied, and by then it's too late. It's very easy for an occupying army to shoot civilians, and they do it regularly. IRA style worked because British army did not depopulate towns.
You won't do much without weapons, and the military is one of few ways to get them.
Also not handguns or rifles. If you ever need to use a rifle, the enemy is already right at your face (or you're shooting civilians). And you're not buying yourself a grenade launcher or an artillery piece with your civilian salary and civilian hunting license.
The best way to contribute as a civilian is to assemble some drones, ideally with 10 kg payload, enough to rig it with an anti-tank mine. In case of invasion, the army can provide mines really quickly.
This is why I don't think the strength of the US military holds up to its historical reputation today.
No one wants to fight stupid wars for someone else, but they are willing to defend themselves, their loved ones and their way of life. And we have the internet that allows us to know that yes, other people also live a similar life to me and have similar thoughts. Sure, they have all the prepper and tacticool guys dying at the chance to get on a chopper. But real life warfare, especially guerrilla, is not like in the (American) movies
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Welcome to operation meat shield where we'll cash in those 30 years of contributions and pensions to keep the markets going I up and the boomers from having to face consequences.
Sign. Me. Up.
What if they need drone operators? Our fat 40 year old asses have been playing games since the late 80s, and those skills are finally in demand.
And they'll use a bunch of teens straight out of high-school that still have youthful reaction times instead.
Sorry bro, they just going to import a bunch of Korean esport pros and make us all look like slobs.
Bro used the word "import" to describe human beings... 💀
He’s talking about a racist-ass regime that would 100% use that term.
Then also deport them the minute they aren’t needed.
That is common vernacular in esports.
I dont know, im just some guy. Whats the word? Patriate?
That sounds more ffffd
ICE has recruited the Gravy Seals and Meal Team Six.
The issue is that many of us are also concerned about the others who would or at least could be drafted. Our children. The younger adults we've taken under our wings and built friendships with. It's hardly any comfort knowing that I would never be drafted. Granted, I don't think there's a good chance of anybody getting drafted in my lifetime, but stupider shit has already happened, so there you go.
Remember that when a dictator runs out of qualified people, they'll draft anyone who has a pulse to keep things going.
Americans are not unhealthy due to lack of affordable healthcare. They are unhealthy due to the availability of cheap, heavily processed, high calorie foods.
It's multiple factors. There is the cheap, ultra processed foods, but also when a doctor tells you to lose weight, they're likely to tell you to go on a diet and exercise, but without giving advice on what types of diet and exercise are most helpful. Even if they do refer you to a nutritionist, insurance likely won't cover it. Add misinformation and a culture of blaming people for their bad health to that mix and you end up with a recipe for disaster.
Spoiler alert, any exercise is helpful.
calories in minus calories out
Its not that simple. Its a good starting point for weight loss, but there's many contributing factors that can affect how one's body retains calories. Some people are lucky and have all of those contributing factors even out to where all that's left is a simple calories in/calories out equation, some are even luckier and just burn excess calories with no effort and never meaningfully gain weight, but some will fight hard reducing calories and increasing activity while seeing minimal improvement and end up extremely frustrated and burnt out because it isn't that simple.
metabolism
This isn’t true, fyi. Different people have different bodies.
Where are you folks finding cheap food? I'm grocery poor over here.
Time to order the diet BigMac, Diet Coke, and Diet Fried chicken! Who knew a diet could be so delicious!
You underestimate the amount of non-weight-related health problems there are.
I mean, not really, in the grand scheme of things it's mainly being fat and unhealthy, as well as cancer. By a long shot.
And both heart and cancer illnesses are exacerbated by being obese.
All causes of death are exacerbated by obesity. Including flu and COVID.
Turns out, it's pretty unhealthy to be fat. That message was lost in it's entirely in the body positive movement. As well as any accountability.
Even ones not directly related to health, such as accidental injuries.
For example, seat belts are less effective on people who are obese.
I'm one of the only thin people I ever see in the doctor's office. That's not snark, that's my observation.
The remaining thin people are elderly. I'll let everyone ponder that last for a few.
What I'm getting from your comment is there are multiple thin people, including you who is not elderly, at the doctor's office. Thus proving my point...
How about this: Almost every human in the waiting room is fat excepting me and the truly elderly. There are rare exceptions, but fatties are the rule. Blunt enough?
Wasn't trying to be too blunt, but this as well: I have rarely seen a fit adult in a foot cast. The only exception to fat people in casts are kids who are obviously athletes. Gravity is real.
Old preacher man in South Chicago was bullshitting with me while I installed his satellite dish:
"Shalafi, let me ask you somethin'. You know the saying, 'little old man' or 'little old lady'? Why you think that is? Put another way, you ever know a man or woman in their 80s that was exceptionally tall or fat? Why you think that is?"
This wasn't a lead-up to "god made us this way" or some moralistic horseshit, but it was a great conversation and much food for thought. He made me coffee and served me cookies. Wish I could visit him again.
How come there is a drug on the market that seemingly cures obesity but Healthcare plans do not cover it?
Coincidence?
How much is the obesity costing the employer or slowing their profitability?
And a culture of gluttony around team sports. The ads are always in this order: pizza, fried chicken, burgers, pepcid AC, pepto bismol. The only diet in the world you have to drug yourself to eat.
And a lack of affordable healthcare.
Wishful thinking, in the Serbian- Croatian war they were drafting 60 year olds. Russia has dropped any medical exemptions.
Nahh, they'd have to be drafting 60 y/os by the time they got to me. Honestly ill just be impressed i held out that long.
Unless you foresee them instituting the draft tomorrow.
Russia's strategy has been to throw meat at the front until Ukraine runs out of bullets resulting in over a MILLION killed or wounded. The US had around 60,000 total casualties across the entire GWOT, with the vast majority just being wounded.
The point being I don't think the military will need a draft anytime in the future. That doesn't rule out the possibility trump does it for the hell of it, but at the same time I'm pretty sure the Republicans would impeach him themselves if he did that.
The point being I don’t think the military will need a draft anytime in the future.
US military has a record number of recruits because it's the only way to get an education and healthcare.
eh, in the Netherlands you can get drafted until 45. at least there's no mandatory duty nowadays.. yet.
The motivation for most new recruits in the US military is escaping poverty. That poverty is on purpose to funnel recruits into the military. Unlikely to ever be a draft again, they'll just ramp up the poverty.
Also why leadershit is pissing their pants over declining fertility rates.
The motivation for most new recruits in the US military is escaping poverty.
Also the leading motivation for ICE recruits. That and the ability to be jerks.
The leading motivation for ICE recruits is power fantasies of hurting people and feeling important.
We need socialisam
you'll get barbarism
"Barbarism refers to a state or condition characterized by a lack of culture, civilization, or refinement, often associated with acts or ideas that are considered offensive or uncivilized"
NGL bud, that sounds like a lot of places in the world currently.
exactly
socialism or barbarism
humanity rejected socialism and now you will get barbarism
Please explain
Gestures wildly.
What?
I have a bone spur in my foot, can I also dodge a draft?
How wealthy is your bone spur?
Not very wealthy.
Are you also into children? Then sure!
When Nazi Germany decided to declare war on the whole world, their leaders remarked that some of the fighters they were forced to use were "old meat" and "green vegetables". (So-called "casserole" units.)
It's one thing to think you're invincible and quite another to commit acts of state-sponsored terrorism and war in the belief that you're untouchable, but if there's anyone in the world who seems willing to find the breaking point, it appears to be Donald.
They are more commonly known as "cannon fodder"
Donald’s barely even functional these days. This is his debt-holders’ war.
"Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
To join the army or what you'll do for their Navy
You just a baby
Gettin' recruited at eighteen
You're on a plane now
Eating their food and their baked beans
I'm 28
They gonna take you 'fore they take me"
Thank you, Slim Shady.
Its marshal now.
and it Mathers
No one thinks there would be a draft. But 40 isn't a cut off, nor would weight excuse you. The U.S. military has enough members to fight in 10 Vietnams at once.
(Also war has changed, so maybe 100 Vietnams at once)
The U.S. military has enough members to fight in 10 Vietnams at once.
And loose 10 Vietnams at once.
If you think the U.S. lost Vietnam, you are mistaken. The U.S. never tried to occupy Vietnam nor would, it's racism would never want it. Vietnam was a political tool with 16:1 death tolls. And the 16 wasn't the U.S.
The outcome of war isn't determined by leaderboards. Are you that shallow a thinker? The US wasn't trying to maintain a client state? They went in there to do what exactly? For fun? For shitties and giggies?
Turn off of Call of Battledudy™ brainrot and get a an education, jesus christ...
Its pretty damning of the state of things to see someone shilling this in 2025 and on here of all places.
Lol
The US just kidnapped a sitting leader and made an absolute joke of Russian AA again.
Folks to this day still can't separate the military and nation building.
I don't think a compromised pre-negotiated operation where one side bribed the other to pull it's punches is an accurate way to assess military capability.
Sorry military fetishists but "Operation Forgetepstienfiles" wasn't impressive on any level.
Well actually it might be impressive that the US military managed to fly a formation of helicopters more than a hundred miles without crashing half of them. Bravo...
How many were killed in Iraq? And how many losses? Afghanistan? Iran?
Im not talking about weight but okay its w/e
Guy in the picture is obese though
Observant. Yes.
Oh no a person on the internet call me a coward. Like a coward would.
You posted an image of an obese person talking about being draft worthy. Are you lying now or when you posted it?
Lying? Its a meme. Weight gain is a symptomatic condition. You know what. Memes might be a bit much for you. I lied.
We should all just plead for having bone spurs.
The average age of a Ukrainian soldier in 2023 was 45, and probably hasn't improved. And I also expect there are plenty of men in their 50s and 60s in various roles.
Seen interviews from the other side from lonely old men who haven't been drafted but wanted to sell their lives to provide monetary help for their younger relatives, pay for school neccessities for their grandchildren etc, since they've already had the best of their time on the earth and are open to give something back. Without going an inch deeper into what they are signing up to do, that's one kind of motivation that can put amateur elders into trenches in the context of a foreign country war. Had none relatives doing that, thankfully, but seen the same pattern with my gramps in their last years, and can imagine a future orphan-crushing-machine headline of some Jonh H. Lawnmover going into another war because their daughter can't pay a hospital bill after a short stay if I assume the same mentality exists in the US in spite of borders.
Yeah, 45 was the cut off for the U.S. as well during the world wars I believe
Can't draft me if you had to gun me down in the living room. Fuck this shit hole joke of a country.
They will just shoot your family if you don't get to the front.
but first your friendly dog
Millennials spent our time terrified of a draft 10-20 years ago. Gen Z, welcome to the "anti war for my own self preservation" club, we [millennials] really did try to keep you out of it
How hard did we really try though?
A lot of us elder millennials are scared for our kids. I’d rather go in his place . If it comes to that
Yeah
But it's not coming to that. I'm so sorry.
That’s optimistic.
Why would you be sorry about it not coming to that?
Because I wouldn't want to send my kids to any war I could fight instead of them. But they are not gonna send a 40+ yo if they have 20 something year olds at their disposal. Also, if they need to, they will send the kids first and then the fathers, so it's not coming to that, hence I'm sorry.
Ah, ok. I misinterpreted your comment to mean that they wouldn't have a need to step in and go in their place.
Fair enough.
I'm glad you asked. People usually downvotes and leaves.
NGL, I had to legitimately tell myself this the other day. I spent most of my formative years as a young adult worried that the neverending war in the middle east would escalate and I would be drafted. I was not alone in this fear either, most of my peers had plans to flee the country if Bush called for conscription.
It never did end up happening, probably because the war was deeply unpopular after it was clear that the invasion was just a pretense for regime change and not at all related to 9/11 or WMDs.
I think the mental trauma from that never healed, and now I'm pushing 40 and still thinking every new "war" we start will have the MPs knocking at my door to serve me my mustering papers.
Still gets drafted...
...After the administration takes away healthcare for service people.
Gun nut wannabe operators are like our primary domestic product. Decades of defense propaganda in TV, movies, and games has guaranteed no shortage of willing idiots with expendable bodies who have already foregone their humanity for the fantasy of headshotting the men and raping the women. America will rip apart at the seams before it ever sees another general draft.
War is how the rich kill off the poor.
General strike is the only solution.
You know what I'm thinking, I applaud that the Gen Z are into fitness and wellness. But they are influenced by the right through social media, and the right are probably conditioning kids so that they will be fit for a future war. It sounds conspiratorial, but the Heritage Foundation is already dictating social policies in America and beyond. Steve Bannon is their dark missionary by evangelising abroad and wanting the EU to fragment.
Ender's game is about current events.
Now I have to worry about my son being drafted.
If they're old enough for the draft they're old enough to go do postsecondary ed or Wwoofing somewhere in Europe for a few years.
just take his place (/s)
The dr. Phil's are out in full force here 🤣
It may soon be time to bring back the American military tradition of "fragging"
Still fit for duty, operation meat shield go!
GTFO of there or use your guns to combat the ones drafting. That's the honorable thing to do.
Contrary to popular belief, only about 32% of Americans own even a single firearm. Though I suspect that number is rising along with the government instability. Most of us don't have even a little bit of power to fight an oppressive regime such as the one we currently live under.
That's a lot of weapons, considering your demographics. You have almost as many armed citizens as you have people between 18 and 45 yo. Other ~25% are 45-60 yo. And if the numbers are rising... well, that's as many firearms as I was expecting. Also, one can figure those kind of statistics to be conservative, as cautious people may not be bragging about their guns. But in all honesty, just don't get drafted, resist as much as you can with whatever methods you find yourselves proficient.
It really matters what those firearms look like. I don't know the statistics but self defense arms are predominantly handguns which are not weapons for an uprising. Any militant force would be met with rifles and fully automatic weapons as well as military training. Not to mention drone warfare and gas suppression. Americans are just not soldiers.
It's not an uprising, it's just resistance, and yes, it's a difficult thing to do. But it's okay if they want to go to war to an otherwise peaceful country so they don't make their pedophile president mad.
Could you at least replace my windows if you're going to hit that close to home?
I thought Lemmy was Canadian?
Lemmy isn't, but lemmy.ca is hosted in Canada.
Lemmy.world was made by people from the Netherlands, but lemmy.ml is the original Lemmy.
Thank you. I’m very new to using Lemmy.
Welcome, I hope you like it here!
only hosted in Canada.
There isn't much reason for them to establish a draft... other than spite.
We can't overlook the long-standing economic pressures. The Army is the only way for people starting with little-to-nothing to build up generational wealth. If you want a college degree without crushing debt, or a job without a college degree, it's the only reliable employer, and the only place where you can earn a pension.
That's definitely one of the reasons a draft is not needed. Not the only reason, but one of them.
The issue is that this administration is petulant, nihilistic, narcissistic, and spiteful. Just straight evil. If they could take PoCs, LGBTQIAs, and non-Christians and forcefully throw them into a violent meat grinder war they absolutely would.
oh, I totally agree... I just don't think they'd want to arm us. I think they'd rather put us in camps, like the camps Robert F Kennedy Jr. incessantly promoted in his campaign.
Cannonfodder /s
My spinal nerve damage. If I’m fighting. Things are fucked.
Elder gen z. I passed the age "cut off" for getting drafted a couple years ago and i still get very anxious about it
Also elder Gen Z or at least towards the upper end, I swear to fuck if these fuckers try to draft me within the year someone is getting fragged.
Well, I'm forty and reasonably fit.
Also already in the military because I needed the money.
How does a lack of affordable Healthcare make you 40?
In more ways than one.
Also that guy is white
Affordable Health care isn't why you are fat...
Aren't you a peach.
Yeah it's not unaffordable health care that made you that shape. Stop.
It's partly shit insurance (or lack thereof) that won't pay for preventative health care. But it's also partly food deserts, terrible working conditions with not enough time off, poor wages, companies being given too much leeway to engineer addictive foods, etc. And of course partly personal choices.
But let's not pretend late stage capitalism plays no part.
Not to play the devils advocate here, US FDA is the worlds longest running joke and their health care even worse, but lets not pretend it's not our own decision what we shove in our mouths.
And yes, ofcourse eating disorders and health issues exist that make it harder, if you suffer from one you might need to lean on healthcare, but in most instances you can still improve your own situation somewhat.
I greatly dislike the "i can't do anything because XYZ sucks" mentality. Yes you can, it's just harder.
but lets not pretend it’s not our own decision what we shove in our mouths.
If it is for you, you should consider yourself lucky, compared to big portion of the US population (or world population for that matter, but we're talking US now). Just like you can't just will yourself into owning a big house, or whatever luxury you can't afford, a lot of people can't will themselves into having enough money and time to have a proper food selection. That's not even talking about the fact that for a lot of people it will require moving into some other part of the country.
Proper healthy food is vastly cheaper. It takes an hour to meal prep for a family for a week. At best there is an education issue for the vast majority. And most of those people in food desserts make shitty decisions and buy shit food when given the option.
Stop this nonsense.
It takes an hour to meal prep for a family for a week.
i keep hearing this nonsense and every time people show or describe to me what they've done or how they eat, it's depressing.
Roast some chicken thighs with a Mexican, Indian, and usually Italian rub or marinade. I'll slow cook a pork butt and shred it as well. Freezem both up.
When I'm tired and don't want to make a real meal I'll heat up one of those, and quickly blanch or roast some veggies store them as well for a quick reheat. It's delicious and frees me up for more fancy meals when I have the time.
It’s delicious
see that's where we disagree. if you can slow cook a pork butt in an hour it's nasty as hell.
It's an 8 hour cook, 5 minute prep thing. It's great and makes burritos for 2 weeks.
if you can prep a pork butt in five minutes it's nasty as hell.
i know i can make my own okonomiyaki, but if i only buy it it's a special occasion food and then it tastes fancier.
Oof bro, you got down voted. BTW thats not actually me in that picture. Sorry, this is what some people call a meme. Nm, I dont want to hurt your head. That is me. Im fat because I like cookies.
I rode 100 miles last week. Speak for yourself fatty, I'm not out here looking to blame society for my failure to put down the fork.
I blame society for failing to educate you
I'm not the one dying of hypertension at 40 🤷♂️
Eat a vegetable or die 🤷♂️
There is a test that is done on toddlers, when those asked to see things from other people's perspective, and try to understand what other people's motivation can be, it's called theory of mind. You're failing at it spectacularly right now.
Unfortunately calories and hypertension also don't take your feelings or this memes feelings into account.
Lack of standard healthcare or healthy food isn't the problem in the overwhelming number of fatty cases.
You continuing doing so
It takes you a week to do 100 miles? Do you still have training wheels on?
If you want to be a dick about it, I'm doing that on my 3 recovery days from madcow 5x5. That's only about 3.5 hours of hard peleton riding.
I'm more than happy with ability and pace approaching 50.
This is such a sad path for you to head down 🤣
That is actually pretty impressive. I wish you continued health.
LLMs spout less nonsense. This is not about whether you can or not be drafted, this is about living in a country that might just "force" you to kill countless innocents, a country of mindless automatons controlled by amoral, monstrous aristocrats, and what to do when the time comes. 😐
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