What's it going to take to truly stop the US?
7d 21h ago by lemmy.zip/u/ramble81 in nostupidquestionsSo now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?
I hate to say it, but there's no fast answer to that question.
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now... slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency's ability to influence things.
Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won't have a major impact. That's when the US will be stopped.
Logically that makes sense for an elongated timeline, but that also assumes the US doesn’t ramp up their actions, which sadly seems to be the case. So the question is “what then?”
Nations can't ignore the fact that the US has one of the most active militaries in the world. Our Navy is more of less second to none and we have nukes. In the hands of a normal president, we might be fine but you sure as heck know that Trump and his Project 2025 people are just itching to launch one.
This is a situation where there are no good options. The best you can do is continue political pressure, get other nations to rally behind you in the hopes of creating a strong economic resistance.
But the real answer is that we, the US citizens, need to fucking take this country back. I hate to say it but protests simply aren't enough anymore.
Protests would be a good start
Protests only work if the government feels beholden to its people. It doesnt. Protests arent enough.
Strikes, not protests. Put the country literally to a halt
There are protests constantly. There was a protest outside the Whitehouse the same day as the Maduro kidnapping.
Thank God the protest people are here. They were constantly on Reddit for the last four years saying how Russians need to protest against the dictatorship. Good thing Russians heard that and had the massive protest of Bolotnaya in 2011 and endless protests in the far-east and northern regions in particular. As we know, Russia is a thriving democracy now thanks to the protests. I was wondering when USians are gonna protest away their own tsar.
also the worlds largest air force is the US air force. the second largest is the US army's air force iirc
Remove the bases in europe and you can only project power with as many you can pile up on an aircraft carrier.
B-2 bombers have a huge range of 11,000 km, that’s extended further by tanker aircraft. They can strike any target in the world. They are better with a fighter escort though, that don’t have that range, and only a single pilot, shortening possible mission time.
The US also has bases around the world outside of Europe. These could be shifted elsewhere, depending on need. The American military is a phenomenal logistics machine. They can fly and ship immense amounts of materiel and can construct huge bases quickly.
There are several middle eastern and Asian countries that host large American bases. The big bases built in Europe, especially Germany act as a hub for the ones in Africa and the Middle East. A place for supplies, hospitals, training, etc. in a safe and nice place.
China is still a fair bit away from having that kind of power projection.
I seem to remember reading that the US navy comes in second (which makes sense considering that a single carrier has a larger air wing than most countries air forces) but the point still stands.
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
What Mainland China is trying to do: win over countries alienated or considered hostile by the Americans.
I think the wealthy will get US/corporate-friendly far-right governments in place in many of these countries before countries are able to isolate the US without collapsing their own economy. Seems to be the way things are going at least (far-right politics gaining support nearly everywhere).
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
There's is indeed a fast and peaceful answer: vote third parties.
Doesn't work in single vote winner-takes-all elections. You need something like RCV first
Or proportional representation, or a mixed system.
Doesn’t work in single vote winner-takes-all elections.
If a third party get 70% of the votes they don't end up in power?
What happens in reality is they get 10% of the second most credible party and Maga wins.
In reality all parties have the same change of winning in elections.
Not in a winner takes it all.
Look up the spoiler effect
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
Ah yes, because the Democrats are just as bad and would've done all this anyway!!! Why did nobody else think of that!!!
I don't get you comment, the democrats are not a third party.
Remember kids, in first past the post a vote for third party is a vote for republicans.
Stop spreading non sense and propaganda.
Fucking educate yourself. This is why the world thinks Americans are fucking stupid. So many of us don't understand basic fuckin civics like this chucklefuck right here not knowing jack shit about spoilers. Half of Americans too fuckin dumb to know they're carrying ruspublican water.
Fucking educate yourself.
Same goes for you, educate yourself and try to write better comments
Delicious irony.
World war 3
Or just a US revolution could work. We don't have to kill everyone.
That would be a good solution but world war 3 looks more probable
you misspelled profitable.
Not if you are the loser in the war
That's part of what Sarah Kendzior has argued for a decade or more. US companies and klepocrats (though I repeat myself) know that the only thing that can match their weight is a powerful federal government. Turning the US into 50 (or more) warring little nations will make it easier to carve up. They have already done this to a large extent with the poorer states under the guise of "state's rights". It is also why they run a perennial effort to break up California and it is undoubtedly why the right's other "big project" is to destabilize the European Union.
For whom? Even those making nuclear weapons, have a high chance of dying in the war, have their possessions destroyed, their investments ruined.
Half of America actively support this shit. They are a LONG way from doing anything about this themselves.
Not even 1/4th, and that's counting the stupid, ignorant and disconnected. 77M of 342M voted for him.
And even among MAGA, money says I could hammer on my fascist neighbor's door and ask him why the fuck Trump kidnapped the President of Venezuela and he wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about.
People who stayed home with fascism on the ballot are as good as fascists themselves.
i dont think so at all tbh. theyre both victims of propaganda, but id argue the ones who became fascist are leagues worse than the ones who became apathetic.
Shame on all the children who didn't go vote for Harris.
So half your country won't be moaning and denouncing and overall being sad next time and assassination attempt is made against Trump, right?
... Right anakin?
Yeah, right.
The other half is almost completely oblivious or just doesn't care what the US does abroad. They only start caring when American soldiers start dying in significant numbers, like in Iraq and Afghanistan. I definitely agree with the other poster who said WW 3 would be a more likely scenario than US revolution because of actions like this.
How is the US population to unite, self organize into militias and erect barricades with the current surveillance state and social media polarization?
Americans are staying at home doom scrolling and getting angry about their scarecrow neighbors they are made to dislike.
We know for sure that Americans are not ready to do anything more than voting and praying to answer any form of the social question. Haven’t been for a while. We’re on the slope of them not caring about the political question either. It’s all bread, circuses and surveillance algorithms.
Don't forget about the Sword of Damocles that is the lack of social safety nets. Also, political ignorance is a feature, not a bug in our political system. A quarter of the American population would kill the rest because they think the regime is "hurting the right kind of people" and not anybody that they care about. This also includes the minorities who will soon learn that being "one of the good ones" just means that they go to the showers later rather than sooner.
I share your pessimism. My answer had nothing to do with what might actually happen.
Even that's just a bandaid fix because it should really be all genuine humans against all other humans that play "the game" of taking advantage of people to get ahead.
Morons like this guy after why people hate Americans.
So the destruction of life on this planet? Yeah you're right.
I am just predicting. I wish a more peaceful way
That will make them even richer...
Not if they are the losers of the war
just vote Democrat
jesus, we live in a world of tankies
you are as bas as the tankies for defending the lesser of the warmongers
It might have already happened...
Capturing a foreign leader you're not at war with like this is a huge fucking deal, but it hasn't even been 24 hrs yet, we can't act like there won't be a response.
Not anything overt, but our election system is sloppy as fuck.
Why wouldn't foreign governments start using all the loopholes to pay (relatively) nothing to limit his powers in midterms and get rid of him in the presidential? A couple million thru a PAC isn't even really breaking any laws, and compared to the cost of the chaos from trump, it's a no brainer decision.
It's why turnout for primaries is so important. We have to ensure that the people who make it to the general are going to be good in office.
Friendly nations do not meddle in each others elections. Russia did to USA because they are NOT a friendly nation, and to sow discord. Israel does it to USA also because they are not a friendly nation, they are focused 100% on their own agenda, and that includes ensuring USA supports it.
Trump/MAGA has already intervened in elections in for instance EU, and that's because USA is no longer a friendly nation to EU.
But I seriously doubt most of USA's traditional allies will meddle in USA's election, because it's just not something you do as a civilized country, because it violates that country's sovereignty.
If you play by the rules while your enemy doesn't, you'll be destroyed. Machiavelli said as much. So USA's traditional allies have to start playing dirty to survive.
I would be OK with giving Russia a taste of their own medicine. But it's an area where I think we need to be very careful, and not participate too strongly in a race to the bottom.
The direction of this race won't turn back upwards on its own
Exactly, there has to be pressure from the nations that still believe in the international rule of law.
Yeah, the West has totally never meddled in Russian elections before...
Friendly nations do not meddle in each others elections.
A naive view. US has always promoted Atlanticist candidates, and has complete control over EU parliament appointees who are all pro NATO, and especially pro NATO subservience. That people view this as the will of the people, and the opposite, election interference is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled off.
Rusprop!
Could you elaborate on the complete control over EU parliament appointees?
It's Russian propaganda.
I'm assuming the same until shown otherwise with sufficient sources
The pro-antlanticism is the giveaway. I've never heard that term used outside of Russian propaganda.
Edit: hot goddamn the dudes profile is unhinged. I think we found Putin's lemmy account because holy shit this dude sucks Russia off hard.
NATO approved parties select a list of pro NATO candidates who will be appointed to EU parliament based on CIA/Atlanticist tolerance/support for that party. There are 4 leftist representatives from Greece in EU whose party is divided about NATO, and who were suppressed in last election because of it. I'm unsure if the representatives specifically vote against all NATO BS Russophobia. Among NATO member nations AfD leads a group that include Bulgaria's revival party (17 as a group). (Europe of Sovereign Nations). Both of these parties serve US interests of promoting divisiveness in EU. AfD has had direct boosting/interference for its behalf by Trump and Musk, and if they are ever able to have influence, NATO (performative rather than substantive) opposition will likely be rewarded by US, while simultaneously increasing US purchases. Orban's party has 10 seats, and like other right wing parties, rationality towards Russia is an electoral asset that permits other oppression.
There are 419 absolute NATO cronies in EU parliament, and the election process ensures that the most devoted to NATO subjugation are appointed, because the CIA rewards the party for input on their list.
Sources? That's a lot of claims without anything backing it up
Every single action, decision, and media content being pro Atlanticist is your cue that something is wrong. That CIA only interferes in Latin America or CIS states, but would leave its colonies alone is the absurdity that you would need to prove instead of the obvious reality.
To answer OP's question. Idiots need to remove their bodysnatcher parasite that makes them agree with all US lies.
You're right this will (or should anyway) invite a major international response. But it won't be attacking our elections.
It'll be in international politics and economics.
Were I in charge of another nation, I'd immediately end all diplomatic ties with us. Deporting all US embassy/consolate staff and diplomats. Possibly even visa holders. I'd also end whatever exports my nation made to the US. Buying the goods from my nation's companies myself. If my nations banks had any money of US nationals, it would be frozen.
But that's just me. We'll see what they decide to do.
The visa holders are often the people fleeing the US, and will be especially catastrophic when he starts denaturalizing people and making them stateless while abroad
But who? The EU views Maduro as illegitimate, as does most of the US allies.
If other counties boycotted instead of caving into demands, that would have an influence.
This isn't the first time the US has done
“directly capturing a sovereign leader”
No, this is different and completely unprecedented.
We went into a foreign country, abducted their leader, and brought him back to America to be tried under our justice system for laws he was never subject to for crimes he almost had nothing to do with.
I'd love to see a source for America abducting the leader of a country we're not at war with, and bringing them to America for trial.
Ok I'll bite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
While the above poster is missing the particulars, this still is unprecedented - panama and the US were at war, and Noriega surrendered to US forces before being taken to the US. As far as I'm aware, brazen kidnapping like just happened with Maduro really is a new low for the US.
That was an invasion, not a kidnapping.
The first hint is the situation was called "invasion of Panama"
Operation Just Cause
🤣
I think we did that to Hawaii. And now it’s a state.
Nah, Hawaii was an invasion, I believe the Queen was travelling to DC.
She left Hawaii as a queen and when she got to Hawaii to negotiate a treaty, she was told Hawaii was already an American territory
The close enough for me. Going in to countries and fucking about then leaving them worse is kinda what we do unfortunately. Well I guess it’s what all countries who can do as well.
When you get the time it's worth reading up on, super interesting and I'm surprised there hasn't been a big movie about it despite America being the bad guys.
I listened to a podcast or two about it but it was a while ago.
Can we do better than the rightwing rag, The Washington Examiner?
Approximately 24,000 troops descended upon Panama in December 1989, beginning a weekslong siege of the country that scattered the government and military officials.
That's an invasion, not a kidnapping...
What are you talking about?
There's no American troops there now.
If you're arguing there's going to be a response or separate action in the future, yes...
That's how time works, there's always something happen, obviously something will happen next
Don't read much, do you?
Importantly other countries aren't that mad about it either. I saw some posts about Trump making comments that seemed to suggest that mexico and canada could be targeted in the future for intervention related to drugs, so I went to canadian news sites to see what was up. The canadian government is basically like, "I'm not angry, I'm disappointed" and mostly because it goes against the norms of polite imperialism.
I won't link to her twitter account, but here is the statement:

Alt text:
The Hon. Anita Anand Minister of Foreign Affairs
Since 2019, when Canada closed its embassy in Venezuela, we have refused to recognize any legitimacy of the Maduro regime and opposed its repression of the Venezuelan people, including the persecution of dissenters and particularly political leaders opposed to the regime.
In keeping with our long-standing commitment to upholding the rule of law and democracy, Canada calls on all parties to respect international law and we stand by the people of Venezuela and their desire to live in a peaceful and democratic society.
Canada is engaging with its international partners and monitoring developments closely.
Canada stands ready to assist Canadians in need through our consular officials and embassy in Bogotá, Colombia.
I think it's the first time they do it without international support.
Yeah but it has been quite uneventful for 50 years, for what I know.
World leaders should:
- Sell all US treasuries and buy gold instead
- Stop using the Dollar to trade with countries not involving America, use Euro, Yuan or gold instead
- Kick America from the SWIFT system or use an alternative system like China's CIPS
- Stop using US tech like Google, Mera reddit, X etc
- Stop buying weapons from America
- Sanction America, just like they sanctioned Russia.
China and Russia are already doing most of these. So they're not afraid to raise their voice against America.
Japan and UK (both struggling economies) hold the highest amount of US debt. Third is China which is steadily selling.
I think it has to be a major financial crash and/or a big war
I'm genuinely curious what would happen if the US lost nearly all of their foreign investors and all/nearly all of their major trading partners. (I understand that this is highly unlikely, but so was the thought that another world war would happen and happen in less than 50 years. I'm also tired of holding my breath on these things...)
The US as a country has vast natural resources, a lot of space, and a large educated population. There are two very long coasts, enabling trade by sea across the globe.
Investors fleeing and trade collapsing would lead to a major crisis and necessitate restructuring the economy. It’s important to remember that money leaving the country, doesn’t mean the physical assets like buildings, machines, trained workforce, and infrastructure leave as well. Production of goods for export would lead to too much supply of some things, with a lack of imported goods.
Lots of international trade could be replaced by domestic production. The US might actually be able to pull off an economy closed off to much of the world better than any other country. The reindustrialization and transformation of the economy would take a couple of years to a decade, with lots of hardship.
Still the US produces so much food and has an overproduction of pretty much all agricultural goods, that widespread hunger is unlikely. The agricultural sector already depends on subsidies snd regulation. So the bureaucracy and infrastructure is already in place to keep it going and steer it.
Culturally Americans are used to dynamic markets, adapting to change, and entrepreneurial spirit. That’s a further asset for being able to transform and economy.
Finally because of the easy access to the oceans and a powerful navy to protect their trade, the US can be very flexible regarding who they trade with. New tradingpartners will show up quickly.
Of course this discussion is a bit moot without talking about the world political stage this happens in.
tl;dr there would a shortage of goods, economic turmoil, no famine, stable energy production, likely a swift recovery
This reads like chatgpt. And is wildly unrealistically optimistic. And is wrong about American culture in a fundamental way and is ignoring bird flu, screw worm, and the upcoming dust bowl from mono culture industrial farming practices. Millions would die and it would take well over a decade just to ramp up manufacturing to make up for loss of imported goods. The country would ostensibly survive but it would look and act a lot more like Russia than it already does.
But mostly a major financial crash
And usually after/during a financial crash the US goes to war
For starters, not relying on US payment processors.
Time. A regime as dysfunctional as this can't go on indefinitely... Like, it is physically impossible for it to think far enough ahead for it to be resilient enough to last. Unfortunately, a lot of good people will suffer before then.
Franco's regime in Spain lasted decades. Actually so did the fascists in Italy....
complete worldwide boycott of american products. America is run by oligarchs who only care about money. They'd fold overnight.
Not a boycott of products, a divestment from the dollar and the US stock market. Sell all treasury bonds. It's possible.
Using the Euro as the standard currency for oil would do it in a week.
Either the US invades Europe to prevent it or the country collapses.
EU is America's bitch. Countries are already using the Yuan to buy oil. Every country trades with China so every country needs yuan.
That’s impossible at the moment. The USA dominates the software industry. No modern economy can run without relying on American software. Replacing that would be hard, maybe impossible.
Take the first steps. Here are things you can do right now:
- Stop using Microsoft Office especially stop using Office 365 and switch to Libreoffice.
- Stop using Windows and switch to Linux.
- Stop using Reddit and switch to Lemmy (for other people, not you since you're already here)
- Cancel your OpenAI/ChatGPT/Copilot subscriptions if you have those.
- Most importantly stop using Twitter if you use that and urge everyone else to do likewise. Bluesky I really like but it's technically based in the US too but rewarding non-rightwing companies is like positive reinforcement. I haven't seen enough people talk about using both the carrot and the stick. There's also Mastodon which is great but some people feel it's more for "techy" type people.
Yea but to do that you need decent channels to coordinate and you all deleted all your accounts and the network you built with it. It would take 10 years just to recreate it.
Let's just go back to hyper focusing on AI slop
At this point, I feel tempted to make an MML hallucinate that it is some sort of...allied master computer.
Yea, you're super smart. Special guy. You're so special and smart.
USAmericans have shown a complete inability to rise up against their government. This is not surprising given our crushing economic system, the fragility of our lives, and cultural landscape of the USA. At this point I believe Resistance has to come from outside the USA. This is unlikely due to the USA's extensive nuclear arsenal.
I foresee the USA going the way of China and Russia, steadily oppressing its people, enriching its oligarchs, and occasionally creating problems for the world. Greenland may very well be the USA's version of China constantly threatening to seize Taiwan.
My best guess is mass riots/civil war. The main reasons why it's not happening yet are because Trump still has a good number of supporters and because Americans are - rightfully - afraid of their police (or soldiers) killing them.
Trump is steadily losing his supporters every week, and the number of people at risk of dying due to lack of food or healthcare is increasing. If your life is at serious risk anyway, might as well get a shot at a revolution. And the more people willing to do it with you, the better the chances.
However, I'm not sure how realistic this scenario is. I'm concerned that a change of government for a slightly better one may be enough for most Americans to calm down. After all, they're very much used to being abused by their elites, whether they realize it or not.
At this point, every single country should be embargoing the US. It's well past that point that we cut them off from the world stage entirely economically.
Realistically, global trade drying up. Canada, Mexico, the EU, and others just refusing to do business with the US. Or possibly, making deals on a state-by-state basis, such as exchanging with California and New York, while ignoring Texas. By doing something like that, foreign nations can help prop up anti-conservative states, while bleeding conservatives lily white.
Mutual military agreements, such as retooling NATO to exclude the US and incorporating Canada, Mexico, and Taiwan might happen as well. The US has ceded their mutual exchange with Taiwan, other powers like India would like to have those chips. Maybe the EU outright allying with Ukraine, to remove Russia from play and to secure Ukraine's grain, oil, and expertise on warfare.
...In short, it would be a couple decades of work to stop the Turdpublican agenda through diplomatic pressure. Probably around a decade if WW3 or a 2nd American Civil War happens.
Literally NOTHING.
The us has the largest military by far even when combining the contenders militaries. Add to that most world "leaders" are feckless cowards just looking for their next payout. There will be no stopping the US. :(
The US may think they are invulnerable, but they are far from it, the world can crash the US economy in a couple of hours.
Problem is it would hurt the rest of the world too, although not as bad as it would be for USA.
But there needs to be very strong arguments for doing it. Still there has already been hints of the "nuclear" option by EU against USA if USA continues to behave as poorly as they have this past year. The nuclear option being a 10 point EU plan to retaliate economically against USA. Needless to say that before Trumps 2nd term, such a plan didn't even exist! But with Trumps 2nd term EU has moved surprisingly quickly, as have many European countries individually.
Also China has its own nuclear option in just selling off US treasury bonds. That would make it very hard for USA to finance the federal deficits, and could collapse the American federal government.
But apart from that China could sanction USA on for instance rare earth minerals, that would make it impossible for USA to compete in several high tech products. The threat of this made Trump pull back on trade hostilities against China very quickly.
The US economy depends on the rest of the world to be the size it is. And without the economy to finance the military, USA will not be able to maintain a military the size they currently have.
China could sanction USA on for instance rare earth minerals
China doesn't even care about its own people, them sanctioning USA for something that doesn't affect them at all is a far cry.
The most they'll do is make a statement about international laws and such and then go right back to business.
Our branches of military are individually bigger than other entire militaries.
We hold the slots one and two for air force. Our air force being 1 and our navy being the second largest air force in the world.
I’m not saying that’s a good thing but it’s like when the huge guy in the bar cat calls your girl. And the big guy is dumb and crazy like trump.
The world's largest military which still managed to lose both Vietnam and Afghanistan within living memory.
It's not THAT hopeless.
It's one thing for the US to lose an offensive war, it's another thing entirely for anybody else to think of dicking with them on their home turf
The answer, then, is a homegrown guerilla force, but the ones most likely to do that are already in power
I don't think this will work either. If Trump pulls the insurrection card, he'll just use drone strikes to obliterate any homegrown force. Sure, US citizens are armed up. But the arms that citizens have are meaningless when it comes to things like high altitude drones.
I think this is what people outside of the US forget when they call for 2A people to rise up. The US government has made the second amendment relatively meaningless in regards to it's original purpose. Kind of hard to fight back when you get vaporized by a dot in the sky.
I personally think hurting the upper class in the wallet is the only way anything in the US will change. Could be done through a general strike by US citizens (although at the time being I think this is unlikely to happen, given how little money people in the working class have. they have to be able to eat and be sheltered to weather the strike, after all), or by other countries sanctioning and messing with bonds.
Edit: if you originally meant homegrown as in US citizens. if not, carry on.
if you originally meant homegrown as in US citizens
That was indeed what I meant, though I was being a bit facetious about the whole thing
You really think the US military would start killing their own on the command from the president?
From what my buddy in the US Army tells me there's a lot of political maneouvering going on that basically circumvents a lot of shit that Elon's stupid ass tried to force on them.
Let's just say that I wouldn't be surprised if they could find some gravy seals willing to kill citizens.
The us has a great track record of losing guerilla wars.
Honestly we would probably fall to pieces if anyone invaded the lower 48. The population is not ready for wartime on our soil
One thing I’ve always said is the US is so arrogant because it’s extremely isolated geographically and has never had a direct large scale war on its infrastructure or land in the past 150 years.
Exactly - It will take a long time for the American military to lose superiority. Look how much materiel the Russian army still has, even though their economy is terrible they are still a nuclear power.
There will be no stopping the US
Not from the outside. That's why the American people need to do it.
The us has the largest military by far even when combining the contenders militaries.
While I agree with your conclusion, I don't agree that military size has much to do with it. If you're speaking of personnel numbers, what you claim is far from accurate. You may be thinking of military expenditures, where you may possibly have a point. However, consider that the US military wastes tons of money on very expensive gear (much of the navy and air force, for instance) that wouldn't help much in modern warfare (drones, etc.).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/air-force-overpaid-8000-percent-soap-dispensers-military-aircraft/
Do we suspect the US military will remain under consistent, united control under a cunt loser dictator like trump? We saw how they marched at his "military parade" (which was so hilariously lame that he very literally wanted a do-over)
China already won the late game. We just need a few decades fornit to play out.
I was wondering if e.g. Putin could do that with Zelenskyy and I believe the answer is no. I believe the people would still resist and fight. However, I'm not very sure with my answer.
A resistance of the general population would be hard to break, even with massive military effort. There's a big difference between people fighting for money and people fighting with intrinsic motivation.
The world should at the very least be imposing economic sanctions on the US.
Well, if you take good old-fashioned violence out of the picture, money. Or specifically a lack of it.
Sanctions, selling off US debt, more retaliatory tariffs, blacklisting US investors and companies, anything that pulls cash out of the US economy and puts it somewhere else. Turn off the money tap, make the mega-donors hurt bad enough and the dystopia machine will eventually grind to a halt. Don't think for a moment that the current squad of high-functioning sociopaths that are enabling this are principled enough to stay the course after a few of their mega-yachts are repossessed. They'll flip sides again and again just to try and keep that horde they've built up. Someone just has to prove to them that the threat is serious, because right now, they think everyone else is helpless against them.
Additionally, the majority of Trump voters cited the economy as a primary reason for voting for him. A good portion of them were probably lying to cover for being racist and just wanted to see POC and the LGBTQ+ community suffer, but if you crash the US economy hard enough, you can still hijack a big chunk of Trump's public support. It's the same as with mega-yachts, but here we're talking pickup trucks, ATVs, and rent-to-own furniture.
Few problems with this. 1. It's slow. 2. It'll hurt everyone else economically because US businesses have hooks set real deep in a lot of places. 3. Other nations have a wealthy elite with similar sway who want Trump in power for various reasons and might not play along. & 4. Whoever replaces the US might turn out to be just as big as bully in a few years if we're not careful.
Still, it needs to be done.
EDIT: It’s like the old saying goes, everything is about money, except money, which is about power.
Follow the money.
See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.
Someone who's around 40 should take for the team and run for President in the 2028 election and campaign the way Zohran Mamdani did when he ran for mayor - run on a left-populist class conscious platform. Seriously!
Someone who’s around 40
As a "child of the internet," my history brought to light by opposition research would unite the country.
It would unite them in their hatred of me lol
I think if platner wins his race then that will embolden a lot of people who feel like they have skeletons to try running.
The US constitution states that one has to be at least 35, be a natural-born citizen (born in the US or with dual citizenships and such) and be living in the country for about 15 years, I think
I was surprised he won! Unusual, bigger spender wins as a rule of thumb (90%).
I wonder why they allowed him to win... the old switcheroo? stab in the back, "I had a stroke and now I am a fundamentalist Christian?" We will see.
He ran a type of campaign that his opponents didn't understand how to counter. Also, he openly collaborated with the same kinds of people that his opponents tried to polarized against him (like calling him dangerous for jews while he's publicly collaborating with Brad Lander, also Jewish). The attacks simply weren't credible.
The counter is always the same. "Get independent voters". That's ALWAYS the counter. You CANNOT WIN without it, you don't have enough members in your party.
What's easier for Democrats to get, I votes or R votes? I'll wait.
Because they pursued the R vote. That they won't get.
What is your argument? The dnc is stupid. That has nothing to do with mamdani.
My argument is typed out clearly, what a bizarre question. You responded to it and everything. If you don't know by now, I can't make it any clearer for you.
DNC has something to do with every Democratic office holder and candidate. Don't be silly.
WW3 fought in mainland USA…
The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war
The US has directly captured or supported the overthrow of multiple heads of state. Nobody has ever done anything and they won't now.
Too many Americans are actually supportive of this so there won't be any major domestic repercussions. Maybe some hearings in Congress.
America is not going to fix itself. The corruption is built in. For the last 50 years (roughly), the system has been changed to make the people dumb and complacent; to make the President a puppet king who answers to the wealthy.
Regimes like this only respond to incredible violence. They believe rules and laws and norms that don’t serve them don’t apply to them. All the systems designed to resist this bullshit are ignored completely because they just opt out of society’s rules while rewriting them on the fly to serve exclusively them.
This ends a couple of different ways. One is they encounter a bigger bully. They are all loyalists that cannot strategize, cooperate, and execute a plan. It’s yes men all the way down. So if someone powerful enough takes a swing, they don’t have the ability to respond. In this case, Canada invading the US with resources supplied by other nations concerned they are next makes the most sense. This administration wouldn’t be able to respond with anything other than tantrums online and on TV.
The other way this ends is letting them do whatever they want. They need an enemy to survive. Eventually they run out of enemies and have to invent new ones. We are already at that point. They divide the population up into good guys and bad guys and eliminate the bad guys, then they do it again, getting smaller and smaller each time until there’s no longer enough people left to sustain them. This is not the way we want as most of the US would have to die off for it to work but it is sort of the default mode of extinction for fascism.
The only method that works with fascists and results in the fewest casualties is incredible overwhelming violence. It’s been done before and worked because it was the best option, even if it’s still a terrible one.
But here’s where the propaganda machine protects the fascists. People are already ready for the incredible violence. The country is on a cliff edge right now. But we are so divided and dependent on TV and social media that we are told to attack eachother instead of the fascists. Most of us don’t want to do that.
So we wait for extinction.
Russia invaded Ukraine and was immediately under many sanctions. I don't get why the world doesn't treat the US the same way. Aside from greed.
It's a slow, ongoing process. The more the US tries to use force to make countries fall in line, the more people look to alternatives. Countries that used to be unaligned are looking at China and countries that used to be aligned with the US are looking at playing the field.
Invading or pissing off Japan, China or Canada. All of whom own a sizable amount of the US national debt. Any one of whom can dump said debt and cause a default on the US debt causing hyperinflation. With hyperinflation, they can't pay for their military and thus are dead in the water.

I hear this every year and it never happens. Can someone get Gabe Newell on the line?
Well a big part of the world needs to cleanse it self of US loyalists in it's politics, military and intelligence/security. It's going to be tough, a lot of expertise is going to be lost and the rebuild is going to be hard.
After that they can boycott and sanction the USA but they need to militarize to protect themselves. Expansion of nuclear weapons is a good tactic if you can get it to happen fast. Tactical ones as well to strike at US expeditionary assets.
It's not going to be pretty, stopping the Nazis was not pretty.
We wait it out. It's a collapsing empire, a real war would prolong the collapse, they'res plenty of historical precedent
We're doing our best to speed run it, guys. Maybe make fun of us for healthcare more, it's a real sore spot
Mother Nature: cracks knuckles "lemme in, coach"
So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?
Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.
I think a workers revolution could do the trick. Get yourselves organized down there and get some heads rolling.
How are we gonna do that if some workers are the more hardline extreme Republicans?
Organize to educate and unite people on a class front. It's not about left or right, it's up or down.
Mamdani won support from Trump voters by listening and running on a class campaign. People just want to eat.
(I'm not implying that mamdani or other politicians are the solution here but just making a point that you can win people over by appealing to what we all actually want)
I think a socialist candidate in the 2028 election should campaign the way Mamdani did. Seriously!
That hasn't worked for the past several decades, is not going to suddenly work now
If other countries threatened/targeted members of the heritage foundation instead of enlisted soldiers.
It's very easy (for sociopaths) to ignore threats on other people's lives.
War, either world or civil. Unfortunately I don't see any other way at this point
I'm glad you're not smart enough to be in charge!
Unfortunately, nothing will happen, as nobody has done anything despite the Epstein files, the deportations and externalized concentration camps, the Capitol, the international bullying and racket, etc. Trump serves the interest of the filthy rich, is backed by tech nazies and other kind of moguls (and p3d0s) and commands the most powerful army in the world. His attack on Venezuela is even approved by libs. And even if Trump himself was somehow unalived, the entire system that allowed his rise to power would still be there. The nazies trumpists and parasitic dominant classes would still be there.
Better just declare the American hegemony dead and disengage from any form of partnership with the USA. At least, Trump has the merit of exposing the USA for what they truly are : an alienating, morally bankrupt nation and fascist empire.
General strike.
Most of these answers here are not viable because the US has leverage in almost every nation on earth.
Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, etc are the exception, hence why they are sanctioned (and constantly suffering problems with every new CIA project) bar China which is locked in a trade war and has a sizable military to back themselves up.
You would realistically require a counter world power that offers an alternative to the US system, which used to be the USSR which no longer exists.
China is poised as the next superpower, but they haven't made any significant moves in that regard because they are wary of the USSR's downfall, and have no intention of engaging the USA in that manner (yet).
Everyone in the UN, despite all their cries, will fall in line when threatened, aside from the aforementioned exceptions.
STOP REPRODUCING
There's a reason that leadershit is absolutely pissing their pants about declining fertility rates.
The funny thing is that they'll try to shame us, bribe us, or even force us (e.g. via attacks on abortion rights and contraceptives). But they refuse to meaningfully address the underlying reasons why people are increasingly saying "no thanks, I'm good" regarding becoming parents.
A revolution
Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.
Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.
My take is that US is already on massive decline. I'm not an american but I am a big fan of US and I've never seen US this weak even if you ignore how ugly it is under current leadership. I honestly don't know how US will ever recover from this trump presidency and it seems like nothing but down hill from here. It'll time for geopolitics to catch up with reality but US will never been as strong as it was 10 years ago.
Major economic crash or civil war. Or someone whacks Trump, or he croaks. Right now they're trying to speedrun Project 2025 before Trump inevitably keels over.
None of these things will stop the US. What will is a general strike, a new constitutional convention, and the reconstruction of the nation from the ground up.
Zero shot that a constitutional convention in the near future would be for the better.
I've been saying since Trump was elected again that the only fucking shot we have is a blue wave so massive that we can shove through amendments and just restructure the entire fucking system from the ground up.
So, we're doomed
I agree that a general strike could do the trick, but the challenge will be getting almost everyone onboard while still allowing the working class to eat and have shelter. By design, working class Americans have little means of weathering a long term general strike, and the upper class has enough wealth to ignore it unless it's a prolonged effort. A general strike for a few days will not cut it.
It might be "easier" for other countries to start dumping US debt. Not that it's their responsibility to "save" the US, of course. However, if enough debt was dumped, it would collapse the US economy. This is a nuclear option since it would also hurt the global economy, but would certainly hurt the US the most.
Yeah, a whole-country general strike in America would only last a day, two tops. They don't have the wherewithal to be good neighbours and politically aligned against monied interests the way a nation-state that has a deeper, older history can.
The history of America is money, interest, and interested money.
Southern plantations, 17th century land ownership, trade in enslaved persons, ranching, gold prospecting... and war.
War against the Indigenous, the French, the Spanish, the Mexica, the French again, the British, the Bolivarians, themselves, and then everyone else, forever.
The way to defeat America is to end its war-making capacity. Explosions, attacks, weathering, budget restrictions, out-competition, and mutually-assured destruction have all failed as gambits. What remains is to undercut the human element — wounding warriors without wielding deadly force. A loss in military preparedness, a disbelief in the stated mission, a war-weariness.
Trump is the entire reason this is working. All of Trump's minions are too incompetent to be able to hold everything from crashing down once he croaks. They have a time limit. They're trying to turn the US into a full blown dictatorship before Trump dies.
Americans too lazy for a civil war. They are too busy slowly dying to capitlism while blaming trans.
This is the thing, regarding Venezuela it’s become a bit of a hot topic worldwide now, in that it’s created a controversy not in the way you would expect. See currently a lot of Venezuelans hated that guy and are happy he’s been taken. So it’s a bit hard on how to play that,
Don’t get me wrong, how trump did this and the reasons he did it are entirely greedy but at the same time a lot of terrorized individuals are now seeing him as a hero but still very oblivious to his end game on how he’s going to destroy their home for his gain yet.
From the frying pan into the fire.
he didn’t do it for them. They don’t know that yet.
The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.
Invading NATO territory and triggering Article 5.
Maybe they can just fuck with US elections online. That wont end in disaster for everyone.
To stop this immediate idiocy, Trump has to have a massive stroke, just enough to debilitate him but necessarily replace him. MAGA isn't going to blindly follow Vance cause he's got zero MAGA charisma. The GOP controlled Congress is going to be stuck between implementing 25A or not, cause if they remove Trump they're committing political suicide.
So the best bet is for a lame duck government as a whole.
Only US citizens can stop the US. We're counting on you guys!
Prepare to be disappointed
Jesus fuck. I hope this is a joke because no one is realistically counting on Americans to do the right fucking thing.
Go fuck yourself
You know it's true.
The USA will undergo spiraling inflation until it collapses in on itself.
Our federal government is far more trouble than they are worth. We should be like individual states, but united. I declare it the... United States of America! Oh, wait.
But really, we will collapse and split into collections of states, some alone, some allied with others, I'm not sure if it's officially a balkanization, but close enough.
Our state governments will replace the fed automatically and easily (easily as in possible, not easily as in staving off empty shelves, fuel shortages, etc).
Our banking will stay basically the same, because they're not even the government, the Fed is a collection of bankers representing our various super banks. They will rug pull, buy everything at bargain prices, and restart the slow march of inflation richer than ever before.
The ultra-wealthy are shooting for stuff like The Network State and corporation-governed city-states.
The Banking system and Media will still be controlled by Israel
Israel is a player, but not bigger than the banks, THEY are number one! Check out the history of, say, Deutsche bank. Older than most governments), and much wealthier than most of them, too. Israel does have their own very powerful "banking families" of course, it's an international interest, not national.
I don't think the banking families are concerned about, say, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They will sell to everyone involved, and make sure the winner is financed with many loans from the IMF or elsewhere.
Media? Yeah, US media is probably their biggest international ally after the US government, I think. Not an expert, new information always desired.
Check out my other replies in the thread
To be clear, it’s not factual that Israel controls those sectors and this comment just lazily replaces ”the Jews” with Israel to make it seem less obvious as a textbook anti-semitic trope.
Jordana Cutler, Head of Public Policy for Israel and the Jewish Diaspora at Meta, said:
“We banned content claiming Zionists run the world or control the media.”
https://x.com/FlyingBeagle_/status/2007462743276769475
She's saying the Jews used their control of the media to censor anyone who says Jews control the media.
Want me to name top banks and Media companies and who owns them and their religion? Many of them have dual citizenship.
It's antiseptic to say the truth.
THERE IT IS AGAIN! "ANTISEPTIC"! It's a psychic trigger word implanted by the globalist pedophile vampires to short-circuit your brain before you can expose the truth about their dual-citizenship space bank on Mars! They're not just cleaning the information, they're sterilizing your soul with fluoride-laced chemtrails so you'll be too docile to notice the lizard people running the Federal Reserve and using your Social Security number to power their gay frog-transmuting weather machines! IT'S ALL CONNECTED!
/s again of course.
The Walt Disney Company: Bob Iger remains the CEO through 2026. He was born to an Austrian-Jewish family in New York.
Warner Bros. Discovery: David Zaslav serves as the President and CEO. He was born into a Polish and Ukrainian Jewish family in Brooklyn.
Paramount (Skydance-Paramount): Following the merger, David Ellison serves as Chairman and CEO of Paramount Skydance. He is of Jewish heritage through his father, Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison.
Comcast (NBCUniversal): Brian L. Roberts is the Chairman and CEO of Comcast. He is the son of Comcast co-founder Ralph J. Roberts, who was also Jewish.
IAC (InterActiveCorp): Joey Levin is the CEO of IAC, which owns significant digital media assets including Dotdash Meredith and The Daily Beast.
The New York Times Company: Meredith Kopit Levien is the current CEO.
Time Magazine: Marc Benioff, co-founder of Salesforce and owner of Time, is of Jewish heritage.
Historical Jewish Founders
Jewish immigrants or their children founded many of the iconic "Big Five" film studios and major television networks: Warner Bros.: Founded by the Warner brothers (Harry, Albert, Sam, and Jack), who were Jewish immigrants from Poland.
Paramount Pictures: Co-founded by Adolph Zukor and Jesse Lasky.
Universal Pictures: Founded by Carl Laemmle, a German-Jewish immigrant.
Columbia Pictures: Co-founded by Harry Cohn.
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM): Formed through the merger of companies founded by Marcus Loew, Samuel Goldwyn, and Louis B. Mayer.
ABC (American Broadcasting Company): Founded by Leonard Goldenson.
CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System): Developed into a major network under the long-term leadership of William S. Paley, who was of Russian-Jewish descent.
DreamWorks SKG: Co-founded by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Geffen, all of whom are Jewish.
Is it antiseptic to make this list?
Found the Nazi. Plonk!
How does pointing out that the majority of US media companies are controlled by Jews implies that I want to gas all Jews?
Now list all non Jewish people in similar positions please.
Oh, you don't mean "antiseptic," you mean "antisemitic," and let me tell you, that Freudian slip is the key to the whole thing! They're not just cleaning the wound of truth, they're cauterizing it with their globalist mind lasers! This isn't a mistake; it's a coded message from the deep state, a subconscious cry for help as their brain-waves are being scrambled by the 5G towers they're using to turn the frogs gay and control the weather! It's all a plot by the interdimensional goblin bankers who live inside the hollow Earth, and they're using these Hollywood CEOs as their puppets to distract you while they replace your drinking water with nanobots that make you crave avocado toast and obey their every command! WAKE UP BEFORE THEY TURN YOU INTO A SOY-BASED CYBORG DRONE!
Huge /s of course.
The banking cartels are a lot older than Israel, you're putting the cart before the horse
WW3, that's literally it. The rest of the world has done jack and shit about Russia and Ukraine beside sanctions and providing resources. People like to meme about Canada being badass, but they have such a small military presence that NATO has been upset with them for about 5 years for not doing their part. Outside of that there is no one in North or South America that can stand up to the US.
Africa isn't doing much militarily. No one close to China is going to drop their guard to go after the US (Australia included since they have China breathing down their necks as well). That leaves Europe and the Middle East. The Middle East probably isn't going to do much and if the US takes Venezuela's oil then they need the Middle East even less.
Europe will probably spin wheels and denounce actions, but the important members of Europe are either 1.) part of NATO 2.) not prepared to defend themselves from Russia if they leave NATO. They can't meaningfully sanction a military ally without breaking that alliance and once that alliance is officially broken NATO doesn't have the US backing against Russia and also faces even more risk of Greenland or Canada being attacked by the US.
Best bet for stopping the US is Brazil, Russia, or China saying they will intervene for Venezuela, the EU and other NATO nations saying they won't support the US, and then BRICS all jump in to fight the US. Maybe this weakens the US and BRICS effectively passes NATO but now Europe is sitting in the crosshairs for Russia.
Honestly, trying to go against the US is more likely to cause the Republican leaders to dislike European or international opinions even more. Republican's have been complaining at home for 20 years about freeloading foreigners who spend their military budgets on lefty progressive ideas, foreigners complaining about US domestic policies, and all the while the US polices the world for them. It's this sort of foreign attitude mixed with Russian and Chinese propaganda which has caused the US to drift further and further away from a positive relationship with Europe. Trying to go against the US is more likely to cause a Nazi & Stalin dividing up Poland situation rather than hurting the US.
What's it going to take to truly stop Russia?
Y'all remember that time a bunch of morons actually charged the capital?
And then were summarily pardoned by the person who urged them to do it?
It's nowhere close to that level. The GOP/ MAGA has been eroding international trust in America for a while now, but realistically, everybody else is on the outside looking in, and even if America removed all women's rights, including the right to vote, or annexed Panama, all that would happen would be strongly worded protests and further political isolation of America from the rest of the world.
Nobody wants to fight a war against the USA, and barring something cataclysmic like an invasion of Mexico, nobody wants to sanction the largest market in the world.
TL;DR: America would have to become much poorer or much weaker before anybody does anything.
World War 3 isn't the answer, not with the biggest players in the defense industry being US based.
If the change in power were due to military power, the EU would have to switch to not relying on the US...which is what they're starting to do!
A more reasonable scenario would be financial: the world deciding to not use the US dollar as the currency standard and start cashing in the US debt.
It'll take the politicians in other countries being willing to say no to bribes from US corporations.
Because the actions that need to be taken involve sanctions on the US and seizing the assets (including patents and trademarks) of US-owned corporations. And refusing to act as a tax haven for them anymore.
But that would benefit everyone while lessening the ability of politicians to enrich themselves with money from oil stolen from Venezuela and money exploited from US citizens. Let's see how noble your politicians are. We know ours are shit.
Or maybe the AI bubble will pop and remove the incentive to kowtow to the interests of American corporations.
The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.
Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.
In the Vietnam war, fragging the officers had a big impact.
I think losing an aircraft carrier would give the US serious pause. Outside that, no idea. Maybe we finally pull the trigger and nuke someone, and that scares the rest of the world enough to start actively sanctioning us. Maybe not, though.
It does seem like most of Europe, Canada, and East Asia are happy to be in the pocket of US financial interests. Even folks who don't like Trump haven't bothered to break away from JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs.
Nobody wants to risk fucking with the money of the global hegemon. And so long as the US is the wealthiest nation on Earth, what's going to deter them?
Kidnap their leaders while they sleep
What's going to stop it? Short of a new world war, total economic collapse following government and corporate irresponsibility, man-made disasters, and greed in general -- once they get rid of the controls, the checks and balances, and emasculate the agencies like SEC and laws that are supposed to limit corporate irresponsibility and enforce civil rights.
However, Mainland China is highly likely to fill that global power vacuum once and if the US collapses on itself, and where I live I can still feel its heavy-handed influence in terms of voluminous imports of cheap goods, and it'll continue to loom larger over my people even long after I go out in this existence. That's why we have to be careful for what we wish for.
Dude Not the first time US has done this.
If we're talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.
Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in... But the new playbook like what we've we've seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word 'genocide' we don't have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that's dodgy.
Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US's pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it's own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.
The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world's nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.
SANCTION THE FUCK OUT OF US
Hit us where it hurts. Our wallets. Fuck our economy up (even more).
And if that doesn't work, start forming military alliances and building up your armies as a show of force.
I am here in America and I can tell you there are A LOT of dumbfucks here that can only learn through pain. So make it hurt. America needs to learn a lesson.
Getting rid of the Republican party and their major billionaire donors
as opposed to china who recently just kidnapped a whole island of people who very clearly did not want to join china?
as opposed to russia currently invading ukraine?
as opposed to europe who is ignoring the icc and its laws demanding the the arrest of netanyahoo? and who are the weakest of the big 3 militarily by quite some margin?
i think maybe some people need to have a reality check
Nothing, since they are all either scared, or part of it.
No country should be dealing with the US right now. Cut this country the fuck off.
Do not allow Preznit Fuckwit or any of his cronies in your country. Threaten with imprisonment since he is a disgusting multi-time felon who is also a pedo and a rapist. No decent country should let that type of thing step foot there.
Sanction. Do not buy American ANYTHING. The fucking morons who voted for this shit need to hurt. Im talking destitute. They need to have zero choice but to point their dirty finger at the source of their misery and accept that he is a con-- a fucking con!!-- and that their own stupidity is why they are not scraping by.
Midterm elections followed by impeachment.
The US should've become a socialist/communist country during the Great Depression (like in the althistory story "Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline"). Seriously!
Maduro and Trump are friends
Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.
Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.
It'll collapse under the weight of its own incompetent sooner or later.
Nobody can outright militarily like, pull off assasinating the entire executive branch, which is basically what you'd need at this point, to actually stop this... bare minimum.
But what you can do is hasten our ongoing societal collapse untill we actually get to something like a Syria civil war scenario.
And how do you do that?
Well, you take advantage of our dogshit cybersecurity we have around lots of government systems and critical infrastrucure, which has surely been made much more secure with the recent drive to install highly exploitable LLMs everywhere they will fit... oh and I'm sure the experts at DOGE didn't leave any gaping exposed holes in anything...
And so anyway, you just turn off as much electricty and power and communications (yes that means the internet) as you possibly can, in a way that will keep them down for as long as possible and make it as difficult as possible to repair.
At that point, probably a good portion of the US collapses into complete fucking chaos within a week.
That chaos probably necessitates a reconfiguration of our global and domestic military deployments, and it fucks up our military logistics by way of basically destroying the economy.
Have that kind of a scenario play out?
Well, a whole lot of other major militaries are going to have a bit more of a free hand to do as they please, as we would be in utter disarray.
You don't even need to nuke us, not even high altitude EMP us, that's overkill, not necessary.
You just need to conduct the most extensive and most unauthorized cybersec pentest in the history of the planet, and we'll be dealing with bug reports for the rest of the century.
Be real nice if someone would just fucking nuke DC
That's literally how The Handmaid's Tale history went.
Internal collapse and/or a foreign coalition. If the US goes after Greenland I'd hope the rest of NATO stuck to their treaty obligations and fought back.
This is Trump's Sudetenland. Expect him to invade Canada.
You must be young lol
Nuclear disarmament. Hasanabi Doctrine.
Arm the nations you want to be able to defend themselves, and disarm the ones you don't.
The US will fall as soon as its nukes are removed or destroyed. Hopefully peacefully.
Aside from some vague mumbling about ”the importance of international law”, the Swedish PM celebrates the US capture of Venezuela as a liberation. At this point I believe Trump can take Greenland with little more than stern looks.
It’s also increasingly clear that Trump enjoys a wide, perhaps perfect, acceptance among the US populace. While many would prefer other leadership, he has yet to do anything that are against the values of average Americans. Things widely accepted include, sending people without trial to the horror camp Cecot, building concentration camps in swamps and carrying out direct acts of war against sovereign nations without congressional approval.
While we all still talk in "countries" the real world leaders talk in "globes". Be true to your school, patriots. Eventually I hope you discover your school is one globe as well.
For them miserable fucks to vote for the Democrat candidate.
For China to stop being a fucking asshole and start being a world leader instead. They would be handed the title so easily if they just did the bare minimum of a powerful, civilized country.
- Recognize Taiwan as an independent country and start actually advancing a rules based world.
- Stop flooding the world with cheap state-subsidized junk.
Those things are literally all they would need to do. We would drop USA like a sack of rotten potatoes.
Pres, VP, speaker being neutralized, along with Pentagon and military leadership.
Probably another Saturday afternoon protest in a few months...
Alex Garland made a movie a couple of years ago explaining the only way to stop this.
Title?
https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/929590-civil-war
Thank you very much.
Russia and China have the capability to sink US navies with nuclear strikes. Minimal environmental/civilian damage when its done during deployment. More global support for them doing so is what is needed. A more peaceful solution is US colonies ending their alignment with US, and contributing to its economic collapse.
Nothing but China, so pick your poison. Trump is trying to become a wartime president, so we're already losing. (American)
China has no chance and no interest in stopping the US militarily.
Economically, there's a chance.
Long-term and not through conventional weapons. That's kinda what they're known for.
World leaders are doing things. Europe has committed large sums of money to building out their defense industries, China has been building out it's military capabilities for decades, Canada has used tarrifs to strategically punish the US for it's tarrifs on Canadian goods and joined the European defense partnership, presumably to gain access to the aforementioned defense industry build out in Europe. Japan is increasing it's military spending and moving to amend it's constitution to remove the restrictions on military force.
Sanctions against the US like those on Iran are possible, but for a country as large and wealthy as the US with such a diversified economy, even if the entire world sanctioned the US it would plunge them into desperate poverty.
It would wreck the US economy, no doubt, but most world leaders are not willing to even suggest their people should endure that level of hardship over Nicolas Maduro. And the US would still have most of the world ability to project military power, so driving us into a corner like that would be incredibly dangerous.
Make no mistake, every world leader and especially every head of state in Latin America is considering the chance that delta Force could pull them out of bed at 3 AM, I imagine Sheinbaum in Mexico, Lula in Brazil, have a few new grey hairs and especially Cubas head of state is sweating bullets. They don't have the power to prevent it.
I am personally reviewing my options for how to protest this action.
Sanctioning & putting an embargo on US & meanwhile bleeding them dry by going after American big-tech.
Nuclear proliferation will also help
Hostile takeover is basically the only way I could see this country changing. And I don't see that happening.
Yeah. Funny enough we need “the other group” to do a January 6 and not mess up this time for it to turn around
Yeah but then if that happens the exact same people who were doing the original j6 would just open fire on the crowds and be rewarded for it later.
Literally nothing lol. Nothing is going to be done nor can it.
The answer is simple. When you see an American Soilder. Kill them When we're in your airspace. Shoot it down without question or guilt. Do not trade with us. Do not speak to us. Treat every boat, plane, vehicle- whatever, as a threat.
The shitheels in power belive with thier whole hearts that nothing will be done and they can do whatever the fuck they'd like and it will never effect them. Prove them wrong. Kill them. Place thier heads on pikes and light them on fire, burn thier estates, turn the Whitehouse to glass; take Trump seriously, and make sure every single threat or comment he's ever made results in complete and total humiliation.
That's how.
Why are so many Americans here calling for outside help to their internal problem with a bunch of criminal leaders?
Countries who are friends of Venezuela, OK, but why would you think that other countries start a war now?
Why are so many Americans here calling for outside help to their internal problem with a bunch of criminal leaders?
Because attempts from within have failed.
Because We're poor. And in my case. Disabled enough to the point I can't do anything else but scream.
Because We're poor
When I look into history, then these are good preconditions. Next you could take your pitchforks. Or wooden shoes. Or Netflix subscriptions. Oh, wait...
Love how you conviently did not notice the "Disabled" part.
I physically cannot do any more then words.
By the looks of it, time will be enough
The U.S. military really needs a wakeup call about drones but I think when that happens, its gonna be real bad news for wherever it came from or the scapegoat for it. To be clear, even in light of this, I don't want to see people killed, on either side of this but the preparation that the U.S. military has for a drone war is woefully inadequate.
Look at the action taken against Iran, that's a biiiiiiig deal too. Short of a nuke, there isn't a much more exotic strike package than what was used against them.
Yeah, fpv fiber optic drones are doing the work in Ukraine. I feel like our entire ground forces would crumble like Russia if it happened today
The containerized strikes Ukraine has done from inside russia have been particularly scary. They basically setup manufacturing cells in country, built the drones, drove to the launch sites, and launched with no one noticing. The U.S. has minimal counters to those types of attacks assuming you don't catch them in advance. There have been reports for years about drones entering sensitive restricted airspace and just kind of flying around until the operators decide to leave.
When you start getting into ballistic missile defence and the larger one way drones, you realize that a proper coastal defence or even hvt defence on the homefront is woefully inadequate. I won't say we need to spend more on that stuff because to do it properly would be in the high trillions. I will say we should be able to develop and field that tech in reasonable numbers given our current military spending. Buuuuuuuut, the best way to avoid needing that is to not be a country that everyone hates...
I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see it, but the truth is I doubt it's possible.
As long as americans keep voting in power the red and blue party nothing will change
Maduro and Trump are friends
Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.
Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Stop paying taxes
Hot take, this was a way better outcome than carpet bombing Baghdad had. Objectively bad of course, but maybe the US military has actually learned something. I'd argue that Trump is a figurehead for the MIC, and it is telling that they have behaved with relative restraint (relative to Gaza and Ukraine for instance). If he was calling the shots for real how would this have gone down? It's been obvious since the Nobel prizes that there was a western consensus on regime change in Venezuela. It's directly related to Ukraine. This is a demonstration that the US military is far more capable than Russia's, and a message directly to Putin and simultaneously any sub-peer nation considering alignment with Russia or China.
Don’t forget that we’ve done much worse. Obama straight up assassinated Bin Laden in a foreign country.
But I mean honestly, we’d have to lose a significant amount of military power and if any substantial alliance ever formed against us, we’re looking at mutually assured destruction.
Proliferation of spaceships for everybody. Obsoleting the old paradigm we've all been artificially hog-tied to.
Zero point energy, zero inertia propulsion, can print another of itself instantly, can sustain human life indefinitely, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home in.
Aim high.
No need for these resource "wars" jingoism. No human cull necessary. Abundant resources and space.
Overlap of tech that avails all space to us, as tech that allows clean sustainable efficient use of earthly resources.
For other countries? Nothing. There's nothing they can do.
For citizens? Vote.
Nope. There won't any be any more legit elections. Citizens are just fucked.
Oh and start organizing.
Gotta love insults on suggesting to vote lol. Anyway reported and moving on.
Unpopular opinion I guess:
Sovereign leader - who stole his election and was illegally running his country further into the ground.
I guess 8 million emigrants since the bolivarian revolution isn't enough to consider VZ a failed state?
I'm not saying what trump did was right, but Maduro was a cunt, chavez was a cunt, the bolivarian revolution has been a complete failure and has cost all countries in the Americas billions of dollars since it started. We just gonna sit back and let despots run countries on our side of the globe?
The issue is that invading another country isn’t allowed. And what’s next: the invasion of Denmark (Greenland) or Canada by the USA… it suddenly seems more probable… nah, won’t happen, you’ll say, different situation. I don’t believe you and I stopped trusting Trump before his first term.
The majority of Venezuelan refugees cite crime, inflation and lack of food/health security. Those problems are a direct result of US sanctions. The US implemented those sanctions to destabilize the government. It looks like it worked
Not your goddamn business. It's literally that simple.
Ask the Jesuits what it will take. They call the shots.