People like this
9d 21h ago by lemmy.world/u/gedaliyah in mildlyinfuriating
Waking up every day and drinking that Hatorade.
If you don't like anything on the the platform, why stick around?
f____g@lemmy.zip?
I have no idea who that is - your alt?
Downvoting is valid. You saying it equals hate says more about you than about the downvoters.
edit: hm, apparently this is about the user doing the downvoting, not being downvoted? Still, this is badly anonymized, and that's my main point.
My instance of choice decided to unilaterally and without any warning whatsoever disable downvotes. Just to "try it out".
I'm still pissed about it to this day.
I mean that google removes any kind of downvotes is one stupid thing, but that people think this makes content "better" is crazy to me.
Now I do understand that in small communities the weight of a super negative account can be quite an issue.. But is removing completely any negative feedback the solution ? Really, it's all we got ?
Also the simple fact that a lot of this community is from Reddit, IMO it's not okay to disable a feature like that without even voting on it.
So if you think disabling negative feedback fixes an issue, you have the burden to prove or at least explain the reasoning.
I do think it didn't make YouTube any less of a cesspool to disable downvotes on it...
Edit : Also while votes are not supposed to replace moderation, they certainly help limiting the reach of spammers. Like if the mods are asleep at least the community can bury the post in the meantime. But no, they just disabled downvotes and made a post about the change the same day. Wtf.
Change instance. Loads to choose from.
Yeah thats what I was going to say too. There's little keeping you on any specific instance. You don't have "karma totals" like on reddit.
I'd give to find an instance where votes are already public.
EDITED TO ADD: I mean, not hidden by the interface. I am already aware that federated votes are accessible via lemvotes.org.
Personally being on an instance with no down votes I was pretty similar in thinking. Over time though I've realized downvotes are just another avenue for anger, there's no need for them. It removes significant amounts of stress not worrying about it.
Were here to discuss, chat, and learn new and intriguing things. Up and Down votes don't matter, block that annoying asshole, tag the contrarian, just worry about yourself and the typical woes of social media subside considerably.
I have no idea who that is
I know exactly who this is, even without the username tip-off. Here's what their record looked like in September:
I happened across the user when looking into a string of -1's on brand new posts in a small community. They were all the same person, and that person downvoted 244 times for each upvote.
This on its own is not normal behavior. Combine it with this user's comments - which are pretty much completely on brand for the average Lemmy user - and it becomes even more bizarre.
Imagine how unbelievably good must be those 19 posts they upvoted
LMAOOO
Nothing against downvoting in general, but some people are extremely toxic about it. I don't get the point.
Please don't do a witch hunt - it was censored for a reason. Sorry I didn't do it thoroughly enough.
Please don’t do a witch hunt - it was censored for a reason. Sorry I didn’t do it thoroughly enough.
I'm not. But if this post should evolve into one, that's on you. Do the sensible thing and remove it.
i concur (approved your p.of.view)
I like Lemmy(*)s, and like to ↑ good stuff and to ↓ at very bad stuff. Yes, of course, there is so much of both in here. And since we have many communities, it is possible for opposite points of view to float upward. Until we have a better system, let's use what we have.
Considering how prolific a poster you are I expected higher numbers in every category? Or maybe this username is a new one?
... did I hallucinate you with a christmas-themed burner account, too?
Ok that tracks lol
That’s a great username
i downvote any ai slop that crosses my feed
Big mood lol
So brave.
I give away positivity
Maybe, it's not clear:
- What you see in the image are the upvotes and downvotes I gave, not the ones I received.
- I'm on a Lemmy instance that does not have downvotes enabled at all. I can't even downvote anything and if others click the downvote button on my posts/comments, nothing happens at all as far as I know. Maybe, their app shows that it worked, but I don't think, anything happens.
if others click the downvote button on my posts/comments, nothing happens at all as far as I know.
I think it shares the downvotes within that instance (possibly with other instances that allow downvoting) so anyone else viewing the post from the same instance as the user who downvoted will still see it and their browser will use that when sorting the posts.
Sometimes I miss old forums where content was brought back up by simply posting within the topic (though that lead to the annoying and incessant “bump? bump? bump?” posts on threads people wouldn’t let die, i guess).
Post voting is understandable as an alternative but it just leads to so much vanity as a result. Sites like this and reddit have so many dorks that are like “my fake internet points… how could you”. If it matters that much to you just shitpost all the time and you’ll get those numbers up
question about something specific (3w ago)
nvm figured it out (3w ago)
what was the solution? Im having the same issue (5m ago)
[MOD] necroing resolved topics is against the TOS. Read the rules before posting. Banned 4 lyf sunnnnn (1m ago)
You can sort by new comments to emulate that on Lemmy.
Me too, it's definitely had a fundamental impact on how people interact with each other online. But also, less page long flamewars is the silver lining I suppose lol
Sometimes I miss old forums where content was brought back up by simply posting within the topic
That's how forums on Steam work and it makes them almost useless. The only posts you see are the rage bait from people farming Steam points from 'Clown' awards. Any meaningful post doesn't get the same engagement as people trying to 'slam the trolls into submission' (FFS, how do people still not know you don't feed the trolls?) so it gets pushed under all the bullshit.
Lemmy's system is good because there is no account wide total, so it really doesn't matter if one of your posts gets a lot of upvotes and another gets a lot of downvotes, it just means one was good and other wasn't.
... And then you get people who really want some kind of account wide total for some reason so they go to websites that total up the number of times a user has given upvotes and downvotes...
😂
lemmy.blahaj.zone moment
Ok that was 3 hours ago. What does it say now? Lol
Both of our instances probably don't fully do downvotes. You may notice a really unpopular comment with exactly 1 upvote sometimes
Oh wow, i upvote a lot
Same for me, I must love everything I see.
You ratio upvote-downvote is impressive
Go ahead, bitch about it, I like it
True neutral. Who's gonna fight such a nice balance?
In my experience? Basically everyone. You're all a bunch of bastards.
My parents were both married when I was conceived (to other people mind you) so I’m not a bastard.
Username checks out
I mean... You have the options to upvote, to down vote and to not click a button. I haven't seen 742 posts that were so terrible that I had to decide to down vote them.
Down voting other opinions just because they do not match mine brings useless negativity. I don't think, we need that on Lemmy.
Guess I'm doing okay!
oh well, it seems i vote a ton in comparison
Holy beans that's a lot of upvotes
holy - putting the community on their back
🫡
Making Lemmy a better place is its own reward
Sticking my neck out a bit to share my general views and habits on voting to maybe add some other things to consider.
My general mindset is that each community sets rules on posts and comments, and that ideally only appropriate things should then be posted. So I typically only think to upvote stuff when there's an even greater than normal amount of effort or thought put into something, or to counteract dogpile downvotes to an appropriate post/comment.
Say I'm browsing a motorcycle community and one user posts a meme about bikes, and someone else poses a story about learning to ride; if my preference is for text posts instead of images I could just upvote the story post and not the meme, but both posts are related to the community and belong there. I could upvote both (and by extension all posts) but then what's the difference if everything is +1 or +0? If memes are disallowed, I can downvote and report the post to push it down to hopefully keep others from having to see it or encourage them to post their own.
I will also downvote nearly 100% of extremely low-effort pointless comments like "THIS", "lol", URL shortened or amp/tracking including links without context etc. A post in another language but marked as English I will also downvote, foreign language communities/instances I just block. I block most meme and shitpost style communities so I'm not looking to vote police what other people enjoy, but doing this stuff in science/news/hobby/etc. communities is inappropriate.
So that's generally how I behave on Lemmy (and previously on Reddit) - I'm generally more "on the lookout" for bad content, and not looking to boost things that belong here. I don't rely on voting to maintain my feed, my block lists are also enormous.
A more semi-recent phenomenon is accounts spam posting a bunch of (relevant) links and then self-deleting - I can't block that account to hide their posts, but as I'm scrolling through my feed I will downvote every single post they made regardless of its quality etc. I'm not going to rehash arguments about whether their behavior is acceptable or not ("they are posting relevant stuff, who cares if they're acting in bad faith!") but since there's generally 2-3 of those accounts per day spam posting junk that's a lot of downvotes from me to a lot of different communities including some I'm not subscribed to. I'm not going to bother reporting every single post, and until there's a method to easily directly report a user I'm not going to bother trying that anymore.
Just wanted to put that out there that there might be other legitimate users that have wildly disproportionate voting numbers and that it might not be malicious or careless in nature. I don't know if Lemmy ignores them like Reddit (supposedly?) does, but I've never mass voted from a user's history. It's only from comments and posts that were presented to me during my normal browsing.
This
Personally I factor this in with bans on my communities. I very rarely ban, but I do if I notice people like this, who I dub "downvote trolls". They don't participate (or when they do it's negatively), the just downvote constantly.
Now I'm fine with downvotes, I downvote, I think it's healthy to say "I don't like this content". However if all you do is downvote (especially in a specific community) then I view a ban as a win win. We don't have to deal with your negativity and obviously you don't enjoy being here anyway from your voting patterns, so everyone wins.
For my communities I have a pretty healthy ratio. If you downvote 80% of the content, you're on my radar. I won't ban you on that data alone, but seriously 4 out of 5 votes on the community are on average down then why are you there?
Content from all communities shows up on my feed, like most others'. Confused mods, possibly like you, seem to get angry when the see people regularly downvote content that they seem to be low-quality, even when those people are doing so without regard of the specific community.
If you don't want to deal with downvotes in a community, you might be better off moving it to an instance that does not support downvotes.
This isn't about drive-bys. This is about users who engage in bad faith. Take a look at OP's pic again.
4650 downvotes.
19 upvotes.
That's not happenstance.
Sure, but I felt that OC's comment brushed up against a common issue of mods conflating the two.
A bit of selfresponsibility would help both sides tho - if you browse /all, you get /all, so instead of downvoting stuff you are not subscribed to and where you might be missing the context of the community, it would be best for you and the others to just filter the community instead of downvoting every single time.
I ignore stuff that's simply irrelevant to me; I downvote slop and actual garbage in an attempt to help make everything better for everyone.
One man's garbage is another man's treasure.
If you browse by all and end up always negatively interacting with a community it's reasonable to get removed from that community
No, there's some objective garbage out there.
And this is why you get uninvited from participating in communities you don't like. An opinion isn't objective simply because it is your opinion
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=121184
No, that's exactly my point. I had no idea that community existed, and I wasn't spamming downvotes.
That's not at all what I'm talking about. Random downvotes are a constant, those don't matter to me. However if you really hit 80% downvotes in my community alone, then to me I'm doing you a favor. You should have just blocked my community, so I'll do it for you. It is honestly difficult to get that high or a downvote rate.
Personally, I agree (we would never do this in a large community for the record). But yes, there are people who think that they can "kill" a small community with downvotes because they don't like the topic.
The sad thing is, it's true. In a community where most posts have under 5 or so votes, one person coming in and systematically downvoting every post will keep people from seeing it who may be interested. If someone doesn't like a topic, they can block the community, but when they take steps to prevent others from seeing it, that's toxic. It's bad for the health of the platform.
Exactly my use case, I'm on a couple communities that I'm sure there are people out there don't like, but for the few of us who do really like the community we enjoy it. Those who don't enjoy it are welcome to block us or not subscribe to us, but they insist instead on downvoting every single post because they personally don't like it, ruining the experience for the actual people who do care about the community. You're also right that it's a small community, we're not talking about Ask Lemmy, we're talking about a small community with less than 100 people. Where a post may get a few up votes
What is that... a 10:1 ratio for the comments and nearly 15:1 for the posts? (I suck at math)
I've definitely down voted some AI slop but damn do I look like a ray of sunshine
Hadn't seen this before.
People are much more likely to write a complaint letter than a praising one. Same as it ever was but internet version.
I worked for a company that had a post karma system before reddit ever existed. It was no different then. No matter how much we said that the downvote button is not a dislike button, it changed nothing.
Do these indicate up / down votes that I've given to other people? Or that other people have given to me?
How you have voted for others
They indicate your votes
i'm a grumpy man on the internet sometimes but damn i love upvoting shit. I display lemmiquette
Context: This is the number of votes someone gave, not the number someone got from others.
And I like that.
I don't understand this post at all. Why does it matter what someone upvotes or downvotes? The upvote/downvote means literally nothing at all. Personally, even removed the ability to see the upvote/downvote thing on Lemmy with Mlem.
People place way to much sentiment on the whole up and downvote. That's why Reddit just became a karmafarming place instead of actual (good) written conversation. Lets not do that with Lemmy. Also, this post could turn out quite bad and gets a unnecessary witch hunt started.
Why do boos and cheers matter in a crowd?
I do not know, you tell me? Anyway, it seems my particular comment got some people agitated. Did not expect to see people getting agitated over a single random comment and question.
Well if the crowd is booing you, it can mean you're wrong, or that you're bad at the thing youre trying to do, or that you're performing to the wrong audience.
If the crowd is cheering you, they're communicating that they like you or that you did good or that youre simply saying what they want to hear.
In the OPs case, where they're pressing the down arrow way more than the up arrow, it implies that they're in the wrong place as an audience. To extend the shitty analogy I started with, if I only love classic music and soft jazz, I'm not going to have a good time in a mosh pit. I should get out of the mosh pit and find a venue that plays classical music, instead of coming back every night and booing.
This assumes the user bothers with upvoting, which plenty of people don't do. They may well downvote what they dislike, and don't vote on what they do like.
Why do upvotes and downvotes matter? Is this a real question?
Reddit became the karma farming shithole it is because of their engagement algorithms.
IMO this post points to a what some believe to be an intentional effort to poison rival platforms to maintain the current monopolies. I think that matters.
Why do upvotes and downvotes matter? Is this a real question?
Yes, it is. Because on Lemmy, the down and upvote does not restrict your account (like how Reddit does it). From my understanding the upvote and downvote on Lemmy is more “upvote, so more users see it and downvote see it gets seen less”.
Which means if one person is trolling it and downvote but majority of users are upvoting it, it doesn’t matter much.
Reddit became the karma farming shithole it is because of their engagement algorithms.
That’s one of the many reasons.
Also, you don’t sound very friendly and since your account is about 5 days old. I’m very skeptical of your comment and behavior.
They affect visibility. Exactly.
Skeptic away, friend. Your account was also 5 days old at one point, but whatever.
They affect visibility. Exactly.
Skeptic away, friend.
Glad Lemmy allows infinite blocking users. So welcome to the blocklist, don't want to see unfriendly and unnecessary behavior from new accounts.
idgaf about a baby's opinion
bye felicia
I took an extended break from Lemmy but since I came back I'm noticing a lot more people announcing when they block other people. Can I ask why you felt the need to let everyone know you were blocking this person and/or what other social media you've used in the past? Like is this a twitter thing I don't understand?
I have always done that to people who are unfriendly towards me. It also gives them a notice that I won’t be replying to their unfriendly behavior.
Never used Twitter/X so I have no idea how it is on there.
Though, I wonder why do I need to explain my reason for announcing to block someone but someone else being unfriendly or having a toxic behavior seems to be okay and is not questioned. What other social media have you used in the past?
I cut my teeth on Reddit, personally. A long, long time ago, I used a certain anonymous imageboard but I stopped when I finally realized that what were edgy jokes to me were actually pretty serious business to the worst kinds of people. When I block people I just... y'know, block them. They can scream at the void, it's whatever. I don't engage with trolls, because telling them off often encourages them. I'm not trying to antagonize you here, I was just curious because you're the second or third person I've seen post a "get blocked loser" type of message in the past few hours.
Huh, you might be a loser who keeps getting blocked then.
What leads you to believe I'm the one being blocked? Anyone can read any message posted on here. Look, I ain't trying to upset anyone. I was just curious. Have a nice day.
Your overall vibe, I've seen it too but only when someone realized they've been throwing their time in the bottomless pit of a disordered mind. Like a fedora on the side of a trashcan, it's a sign someone took control of their life back.
Seems like you might be encountering it enough in response to your responses that it's annoyed you. Otherwise I can't imagine any other reaction than moving on with my life.
For me, they matter and don't matter.
Opinion down voting brings useless negativity to Lemmy.
40 upvotes, 60 down votes is totally normal, but seeing a -20 can lead to the removal of comments, which I don't like... Echo chambers are not what we need.
I'm on an instance that does not support down votes. That means, if one disagrees, they need to use their brain and write a comment.
Huge respect for anyone who does not down vote.
Opinion down voting brings useless negativity to Lemmy.
My own experience on Lemmy is that this has been happening more and more. It was not like that when the first Reddit migration happened. However, a year later and that kind of toxicity has started to arise.
It’s one of the reasons why I disabled the visibility of the votes. It also can manipulate on how someone thinks*.
Personally, besides the more technology knowledge on Lemmy.. I find that Lemmy slowly but steadily adopts more and more Reddit behaviors in terms of user behavior.
I'm on an instance that does not support down votes. That means, if one disagrees, they need to use their brain and write a comment.
Honestly that sounds great. It means people usually have to actually write why they don’t agree.
EDIT; something went wrong with formatting and copied text twice. Edited it to get it correct again.
In my experience down votes basically exist to justify psychotic power mods being able to block people they don't like.
I assumed that moderators just ban people they do not like or at least remove comments. Blocking people that you do not like is helpful. Keeps your feed and comments section clean and brings less unfriendly behavior. I'm a huge fan of Lemmy's blocking, it does not prevent the blocked person to comment but it does help the blocker to prevent seeing anything from the blocked person. Brings peace to both, one can simply comment and the other will not see it.
From the context of my comment I thought it was clear by block I meant Banning. But I can see how you were confused by that.
I'm a bit of a cynic, but I do enjoy hearing out all your wild takes and unpopular opinions lol
One of the reasons I enjoy being on an instance that doesn't have the concept of downvotes :)
An upvote is an upvote. A downvote is nothing. I love it :D
My upvote to downvote is 10:1 for both posts and comments. Cool tool!
Hm, I’ve got an upvote/downvote post ratio of 315:1, and a comment ratio of about 14:1.
I guess I’m an optimist.
Do you by chance only browse your subscribed subs? I think I could pick a few communities to view where most posts and comments are decent and on topic. I am always browsing "all" though so there's a lot to see and it isn't always updoot material.
I curate my feed, blocking communities that don’t interest me. So yeah kinda.
I guess I do the same come to think of it, but maybe you're more aggressive or I'm more loose with the downvote button or both.
I generally avoid the downvote button, at least, I think so. I downvote AI slop (especially in communities that explicitly forbid it.) Though for comments I may put a train of downvotes for some troll that's all over a thread.
I feel like there may be a misinterpretation here though. My ratio is more "upvote-oriented" than yours. Unless you mean aggressive with upvoting, which perhaps, I may be.
I meant more aggressive with curation. I'm more aggressive with the downvote button.
Ah, that makes more sense.
Same ratio here, which means it is the correct and smartest ratio.
It is known.
You're reading a lot into a reaction. What's it say about someone who gives more 🚀s than 🔥s?
This is the upvotes/downvotes they did on other people’s stuff, or others did on their stuff?
That the account did on other people’s content.
Wow…. They’re miserable.
On other people's stuff
I love this website wth.
Me:
Total post upvotes: 3591
Total post downvotes: 308
Total comment upvotes: 15627
Total comment downvotes: 2862
I seem to upvote posts about 10 times as much as I downvote them, but comments only about 5 times as much. I need to get upvoting more comments.
Ah yes. Penis measuring. But instead of measuring penises we're measuring something even more arbitrary.
For context: This is the number of votes someone gives others, not the usual Reddit karma comparison.
I'm not sure it's as useless of a measurement.
If you have a small penis, you'll disappoint a handful of people
This guy disappointed thousands.
this is given votes, not received
If I had to guess, I also have more downvotes than upvotes, if you exclude my own content, which I’m pretty sure is counted for some reason.
I don’t really tend to upvote much, I didn’t on Reddit either and I should probably work on that. On the other hand, while I don’t go through profiles to mass downvote, some users are tagged and deserve to be downvoted on sight ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My ratio is much better than on Reddit. Have I changed or better community? Maybe both
I tend to downvote hateful content and disinformation. So is it "hatorade" to downvote hateful content and straight up lies?
Though more often I reply back to tell people to tell them to try not to be so hateful and then I get downvoted. I cry myself to sleep every night when that happens :P
While you're judging people, someone else may be judging you. If you're motivated by upvotes maybe consider going to reddit?
List of votes for humanspiral@lemmy.ca:
- Total post upvotes: 6445
- Total post downvotes: 99
- Total comment upvotes: 8436
- Total comment downvotes: 984
Probably Spez trying to down vote everything here to make Reddit look better lmao
Where do I find this?
https://lemvotes.org/
Its https://lemvotes.org/
https://lemvotes.org/user/Formfiller@lemmy.world
Thanks
I guess I'm not that grumpy.
OP conflating the platform for a single community on it. Nice ragebait bro.
This is a user, not a community. They are downvoting across communities, including stalking people across communities to downvote all of their posts and comments, following communities just to downvote every post and comment, etc.
They downvote over 99% of the posts they see. Why seek out content you don't like? It's mildly infuriating. To me at least.
I can't even figure out how to comment on this stupidity.
Damned site doesn't work on my account.
You have to select "user" and enter the format exactly as shown. There are some servers that don't work though. Yours should.
i did ... the results are thousand times lower than reality !
I don't believe it counts votes from instances that have defederated from lemvotes.
Hi, thanks for trying to find an answer. Though, i do believe it must be something else since :
all instances - - either linked or blocked - - from lemmy(dot)world, are listed here :
https://lemmy.world/instances
and there's no mention of "lemvotes".
I think, the point was: you up-/downvote something on abc.xyz, but lemvotes is not federated with abc.xyz, then it doesn't count that vote.
Don't know if that's any close to reality, though
Thanks for your efforts.
Unfortunately, given what i search and found, this is not a valid possibility.
I've been on Lemmy many years, made more than 100 posts and thousands of comments. My ↑&↓ are in the x 10 000.
List of votes for a_a@lemmy.world:
Total post upvotes: 30
Total post downvotes: 0
Total comment upvotes: 19
Total comment downvotes: 1
I believe you also upvote and downvote, but I want to emphasize that it's up- and downvotes you gave, not the ones you received
Oh weird
The servers gregtech.eu isn't federated with don't work (a notable one being lemmy.ml)
It appears to only partially work on Mbin. It got my upvotes but not my downvotes
If only the OP linked the site instead of a picture
Its https://lemvotes.org/
Cheers
if you are joking : HA, ha, ha (i am trying😆)
if you are being serious :
- you will find that link in this (olorin...) other user's answer, or
- you should learn about search engines ... and, of course, your username checks out 😁
This is such pathetic shit to be upset about
If you don't like downvotes there's coms for that
Maybe they got confused and thought the downvote/upvote buttons meant "Next post"/"Previous post"
Post contains inaccessible image of nearly pure text. 😞
Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative such as link:
- usability
- we can't quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
- text search is unavailable
- the system can't
- reflow text to varied screen sizes
- vary presentation (size, contrast)
- vary modality (audio, braille)
- accessibility
- lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
- some users can't read the image due to lack of alt text (markdown image description)
- users can't adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
- systems can't read the text to them or send it to braille devices
- web connectivity
- we have to do failure-prone bullshit to find the original source
- we can't explore wider context of the original message
- authenticity: we don't know the image hasn't been tampered
- searchability: the "text" isn't indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
- fault tolerance: no text fallback if
- image breaks
- image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.
Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.
Haters like to hate. Not much sense to rustle one's jimmies over it.
Thanks. Fixed.
Mastodon reminds me when I do that, but I should remember on Lemmy too.
Are there any instances where votes are public? In other words, where it shows on the post or comment who up/down voted? I know there are some, or were, but I don't know the current status.
Federation means everything is effectively public, even if the UI doesn’t show it all.
Trust Lemmy to answer the question I very specifically did not ask and to provide an answer that is essentially a regurge of the OP, lol.
EDITED TO ADD: but I found the answer I was looking for anyway, so there is that.
fang@lemmy.zip?
I was thinking about making a "People like this" post about sloppy redaction and using the same screenshot.